Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[VDT]

I'm just uninterested in any contract where Jimmy Butler in ages 30-35 is eating large percentages of our cap. His durability was so poor in his 20s, there's a virtual guarantee that his next contract will be an albatross.

The guy is 29 years old. The Rockets just gave Chris Paul a four year deal at age 32 despite having injury problems. Jimmy is our closer, getting rid of him would be utterly stupid and none of yall who want him gone are naming a compentent replacement either. So I'll ask yall again. WHO REPLACES HARRIS AND JIMMY IF WE LET THEM WALK?

That logic is wrong. You dont sign players on bad contracts just because you may not be able to get another star immediately. Unless you are already a bonafide contender signing bad contracts makes it more difficult to contend in the end. It makes it easier to treadmill though which is why terrible GMs sign players on ridiculous contract. The Wizards were saying the same thing when they offered this contract to Wall, we are not going to get a better player so we might as well overpay for Wall. Now Wall is holding the entire franchise back for the next 4 years.

In the end it is up to the GMs to find players on bargain contracts. It is not easy because it means that the player is either a superstar or someone that's very underrated and below the radar. So its either difficult or it involves some risk. But in the end good GMs will find these deals and bad GMs will sign the John Walls. Up to this moment Brand has done the obvious John Wall type of deals but for the Sixers to win the title they need the other, more difficult, kind of deals. Which is why it is a shame that Hinkie was replaced. The team has been bleeding value since then.

[PhillyPhilly]

That logic is wrong. You dont sign players on bad contracts just because you may not be able to get another star immediately. Unless you are already a bonafide contender signing bad contracts makes it more difficult to contend in the end. It makes it easier to treadmill though which is why terrible GMs sign players on ridiculous contract. The Wizards were saying the same thing when they offered this contract to Wall, we are not going to get a better player so we might as well overpay for Wall. Now Wall is holding the entire franchise back for the next 4 years.

In the end it is up to the GMs to find players on bargain contracts. It is not easy because it means that the player is either a superstar or someone that's very underrated and below the radar. So its either difficult or it involves some risk. But in the end good GMs will find these deals and bad GMs will sign the John Walls. Up to this moment Brand has done the obvious John Wall type of deals but for the Sixers to win the title they need the other, more difficult, kind of deals. Which is why it is a shame that Hinkie was replaced. The team has been bleeding value since then.

Your point about Wall makes no sense In relation to Butler. Butler is part of a group who have a serious shot at going to the finals which is why I compared him to Chris Paul. Wall Is on a team who is not a serious challenger and has been at that organisation for several years while Butler has barely been with us for five minutes. It's apples and oranges. Our eggs are very much in the Butler, Harris, Simmons and Embiid basket, and that's a pretty damn good one considering the results they have gotten when they are on the floor together. Sadly the time of building a championship team organically are long gone as long as Golden State are who they are and we don't have a superstar coach like Pop.

[VDT]

That logic is wrong. You dont sign players on bad contracts just because you may not be able to get another star immediately. Unless you are already a bonafide contender signing bad contracts makes it more difficult to contend in the end. It makes it easier to treadmill though which is why terrible GMs sign players on ridiculous contract. The Wizards were saying the same thing when they offered this contract to Wall, we are not going to get a better player so we might as well overpay for Wall. Now Wall is holding the entire franchise back for the next 4 years.

In the end it is up to the GMs to find players on bargain contracts. It is not easy because it means that the player is either a superstar or someone that's very underrated and below the radar. So its either difficult or it involves some risk. But in the end good GMs will find these deals and bad GMs will sign the John Walls. Up to this moment Brand has done the obvious John Wall type of deals but for the Sixers to win the title they need the other, more difficult, kind of deals. Which is why it is a shame that Hinkie was replaced. The team has been bleeding value since then.

Your point about Wall makes no sense In relation to Butler. Butler is part of a group who have a serious shot at going to the finals which is why I compared him to Chris Paul. Wall Is on a team who is not a serious challenger and has been at that organisation for several years while Butler has barely been with us for five minutes. It's apples and oranges. Our eggs are very much in the Butler, Harris, Simmons and Embiid basket, and that's a pretty damn good one considering the results they have gotten when they are on the floor together. Sadly the time of building a championship team organically are long gone as long as Golden State are who they are and we don't have a superstar coach like Pop.

Paul's contact is terrible and might be the reason that Rockets dont win anything in the end in the coming years. Still it made sense simply because they were that close to winning the title.

Are the Sixers that close to the title? I guess we will see in a few weeks.

[FireMorey]

The Sixers are going to be over the cap anyway if they re-sign Harris and extend Simmons. So as long as the owners are willing to pay the luxury tax who cares if they are just over the tax or way over(by giving Butler the max)?

The only argument to not keep him is not for cap reasons, their cap is gonna be FUBAR'd anyway. It would be if the money is better spent elsewhere. And I don't see it unless Kawhi, Durant, Kyrie wanna come here(doubt it) or you think handing out a bunch of bloated deals for guys like KCP and Pat Bev is better spending the money. Which, btw, they could land a couple of those guys anyway even with Butler by using exceptions and stuff.

Gotta keep him and if he breaks down he breaks down. Like I said, our cap situation is going to be bad regardless. It's not like if we let him go we'd have all this money a few years from now to pursue max free agents. This is pretty much the last summer to do that.

[eyeatoma]

Butler doesnt return if Brett remains coach.....

Hey man what more can you say about Embiid? Is he okay? Well he okay the first game? Why are the secrecy from brand and Brett?

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[BullyKing]

The Sixers are going to be over the cap anyway if they re-sign Harris and extend Simmons. So as long as the owners are willing to pay the luxury tax who cares if they are just over the tax or way over(by giving Butler the max)?

The only argument to not keep him is not for cap reasons, their cap is gonna be FUBAR'd anyway. It would be if the money is better spent elsewhere. And I don't see it unless Kawhi, Durant, Kyrie wanna come here(doubt it) or you think handing out a bunch of bloated deals for guys like KCP and Pat Bev is better spending the money. Which, btw, they could land a couple of those guys anyway even with Butler by using exceptions and stuff.

Gotta keep him and if he breaks down he breaks down. Like I said, our cap situation is going to be bad regardless. It's not like if we let him go we'd have all this money a few years from now to pursue max free agents. This is pretty much the last summer to do that.

This has been my position on why resigning Butler makes sense - nothing else to really spend it on. But seeing him continue to play such a passive role in the offense, I'm really beginning to wonder if his money is not better distributed around. On the other hand, Redick uses up a ton of the offensive touches. If he doesn't come back, there's a lot more opportunity for Butler. But if you let him walk you've got about 36 million to play with. Assuming the top-tier pass on us again, you could so something like Redick for 10, Danny Green for 15, and Pat Bev for 8.

[FireMorey]

The Sixers are going to be over the cap anyway if they re-sign Harris and extend Simmons. So as long as the owners are willing to pay the luxury tax who cares if they are just over the tax or way over(by giving Butler the max)?

The only argument to not keep him is not for cap reasons, their cap is gonna be FUBAR'd anyway. It would be if the money is better spent elsewhere. And I don't see it unless Kawhi, Durant, Kyrie wanna come here(doubt it) or you think handing out a bunch of bloated deals for guys like KCP and Pat Bev is better spending the money. Which, btw, they could land a couple of those guys anyway even with Butler by using exceptions and stuff.

Gotta keep him and if he breaks down he breaks down. Like I said, our cap situation is going to be bad regardless. It's not like if we let him go we'd have all this money a few years from now to pursue max free agents. This is pretty much the last summer to do that.

This has been my position on why resigning Butler makes sense - nothing else to really spend it on. But seeing him continue to play such a passive role in the offense, I'm really beginning to wonder if his money is not better distributed around. On the other hand, Redick uses up a ton of the offensive touches. If he doesn't come back, there's a lot more opportunity for Butler. But if you let him walk you've got about 36 million to play with. Assuming the top-tier pass on us again, you could so something like Redick for 10, Danny Green for 15, and Pat Bev for 8.

My biggest concern is letting him walk, seeing him go elsewhere and go back to the aggressive Butler of old and realize it was the coach and the system that affected him and not the player on the decline. I was always skeptical that Butler was on the decline because it would have been such a rapid decline. Not just from last year to this year, but from his limited games with Minny this season vs his time with the Sixers. He just never looked the same when he got here. And then when you see the same thing happen to Harris when he came here, you have to wonder if this system just isn't comfortable for wing players who like the ball in their hands.

[eyeatoma]

The Sixers are going to be over the cap anyway if they re-sign Harris and extend Simmons. So as long as the owners are willing to pay the luxury tax who cares if they are just over the tax or way over(by giving Butler the max)?

The only argument to not keep him is not for cap reasons, their cap is gonna be FUBAR'd anyway. It would be if the money is better spent elsewhere. And I don't see it unless Kawhi, Durant, Kyrie wanna come here(doubt it) or you think handing out a bunch of bloated deals for guys like KCP and Pat Bev is better spending the money. Which, btw, they could land a couple of those guys anyway even with Butler by using exceptions and stuff.

Gotta keep him and if he breaks down he breaks down. Like I said, our cap situation is going to be bad regardless. It's not like if we let him go we'd have all this money a few years from now to pursue max free agents. This is pretty much the last summer to do that.

This has been my position on why resigning Butler makes sense - nothing else to really spend it on. But seeing him continue to play such a passive role in the offense, I'm really beginning to wonder if his money is not better distributed around. On the other hand, Redick uses up a ton of the offensive touches. If he doesn't come back, there's a lot more opportunity for Butler. But if you let him walk you've got about 36 million to play with. Assuming the top-tier pass on us again, you could so something like Redick for 10, Danny Green for 15, and Pat Bev for 8.

My biggest concern is letting him walk, seeing him go elsewhere and go back to the aggressive Butler of old and realize it was the coach and the system that affected him and not the player on the decline. I was always skeptical that Butler was on the decline because it would have been such a rapid decline. Not just from last year to this year, but from his limited games with Minny this season vs his time with the Sixers. He just never looked the same when he got here. And then when you see the same thing happen to Harris when he came here, you have to wonder if this system just isn't comfortable for wing players who like the ball in their hands.

Harris has been fine. He's literally in a shooting slump.

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[FireMorey]

This has been my position on why resigning Butler makes sense - nothing else to really spend it on. But seeing him continue to play such a passive role in the offense, I'm really beginning to wonder if his money is not better distributed around. On the other hand, Redick uses up a ton of the offensive touches. If he doesn't come back, there's a lot more opportunity for Butler. But if you let him walk you've got about 36 million to play with. Assuming the top-tier pass on us again, you could so something like Redick for 10, Danny Green for 15, and Pat Bev for 8.

My biggest concern is letting him walk, seeing him go elsewhere and go back to the aggressive Butler of old and realize it was the coach and the system that affected him and not the player on the decline. I was always skeptical that Butler was on the decline because it would have been such a rapid decline. Not just from last year to this year, but from his limited games with Minny this season vs his time with the Sixers. He just never looked the same when he got here. And then when you see the same thing happen to Harris when he came here, you have to wonder if this system just isn't comfortable for wing players who like the ball in their hands.

Harris has been fine. He's literally in a shooting slump.

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I disagree it's a lot more than that. Did you see him at the end of the Bucks game in Philly, he wanted no part of the end of that game. When he got the ball in his hands he couldn't wait to get rid of it. I don't think he looks comfortable at all. He's regressed the longer he's been here. His best games were his first games here.

And for someone who hasn't been here long, the guys has struggled for weeks now, that's pretty long to just be a shooting slump.

We shall see once the playoffs start.

Btw isn’t that kind of an oxymoron? Saying he’s fine but is in a slump. That’s essentially like saying Player X is fine he just hasn’t been good lately. If he’s in a slump then he’s not fine, he’s struggling right now.

[cool93]

Butler doesnt return if Brett remains coach.....

God, I hope they are smart enough to fire Brown. Butler is a star, Brown is legit moron. Not a tough choice.

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[Kobblehead]

If we're going to fire Brett Brown, we do it for real reasons.

Not because some perpetually crabby, unhappy dude mandates it. A guy we shouldn't even be looking at as a longterm piece, in the first place.

[Bum Adebayo]

Butler doesnt return if Brett remains coach.....

God, I hope they are smart enough to fire Brown. Butler is a star, Brown is legit moron. Not a tough choice.

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Don't get your hopes up, Brett will be here for a long time and the mediocrity will remain.

[cool93]

If we're going to fire Brett Brown, we do it for real reasons.

Not because some perpetually crabby, unhappy dude mandates it. A guy we shouldn't even be looking at as a longterm piece, in the first place.

The fact that he is a crappy coach feels like a solid reason for me.

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[Kobblehead]

If we're going to fire Brett Brown, we do it for real reasons.

Not because some perpetually crabby, unhappy dude mandates it. A guy we shouldn't even be looking at as a longterm piece, in the first place.

The fact that he is a crappy coach feels like a solid reason for me.

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No arguments, here, on firing Brett Brown. I just don't want Jimmy to drive that decision. He'll never be happy with any coach.

[TJ McGODnell]

If we're going to fire Brett Brown, we do it for real reasons.

Not because some perpetually crabby, unhappy dude mandates it. A guy we shouldn't even be looking at as a longterm piece, in the first place.

The fact that he is a crappy coach feels like a solid reason for me.

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No arguments, here, on firing Brett Brown. I just don't want Jimmy to drive that decision. He'll never be happy with any coach.

Why does Butler hate Brett though? Surely there must be a reason. There's a lot of things we don't see behind the scenes but if I was to hazard a guess as to why Jimmy hates Brett it's because Brett IS A **** COACH.

[downtownpie]

Can they sign and trade Harris? He isnt a max player here.

[XtremeDunkz]

Can they sign and trade Harris? He isnt a max player here.

Id rather trade Simmons.

[No-Man]

Man, Micic is so so good, would be such an ideal fit from the bench in this team, esp if you get another dynamic Guard (Ky Bowman in the 2nd round would be a guy to target imo).

[sixers hoops]

This has been my position on why resigning Butler makes sense - nothing else to really spend it on. But seeing him continue to play such a passive role in the offense, I'm really beginning to wonder if his money is not better distributed around. On the other hand, Redick uses up a ton of the offensive touches. If he doesn't come back, there's a lot more opportunity for Butler. But if you let him walk you've got about 36 million to play with. Assuming the top-tier pass on us again, you could so something like Redick for 10, Danny Green for 15, and Pat Bev for 8.

My biggest concern is letting him walk, seeing him go elsewhere and go back to the aggressive Butler of old and realize it was the coach and the system that affected him and not the player on the decline. I was always skeptical that Butler was on the decline because it would have been such a rapid decline. Not just from last year to this year, but from his limited games with Minny this season vs his time with the Sixers. He just never looked the same when he got here. And then when you see the same thing happen to Harris when he came here, you have to wonder if this system just isn't comfortable for wing players who like the ball in their hands.

Harris has been fine. He's literally in a shooting slump.

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It’s difficult to get good shooters who can play off the ball. Tobias is such a good fit with Jojo and/or Ben. If we have a coach who can get him shots in the right spots, I am confident he will be very good here.

[sixers hoops]

The Sixers are going to be over the cap anyway if they re-sign Harris and extend Simmons. So as long as the owners are willing to pay the luxury tax who cares if they are just over the tax or way over(by giving Butler the max)?

The only argument to not keep him is not for cap reasons, their cap is gonna be FUBAR'd anyway. It would be if the money is better spent elsewhere. And I don't see it unless Kawhi, Durant, Kyrie wanna come here(doubt it) or you think handing out a bunch of bloated deals for guys like KCP and Pat Bev is better spending the money. Which, btw, they could land a couple of those guys anyway even with Butler by using exceptions and stuff.

Gotta keep him and if he breaks down he breaks down. Like I said, our cap situation is going to be bad regardless. It's not like if we let him go we'd have all this money a few years from now to pursue max free agents. This is pretty much the last summer to do that.

This has been my position on why resigning Butler makes sense - nothing else to really spend it on. But seeing him continue to play such a passive role in the offense, I'm really beginning to wonder if his money is not better distributed around. On the other hand, Redick uses up a ton of the offensive touches. If he doesn't come back, there's a lot more opportunity for Butler. But if you let him walk you've got about 36 million to play with. Assuming the top-tier pass on us again, you could so something like Redick for 10, Danny Green for 15, and Pat Bev for 8.

My biggest concern is letting him walk, seeing him go elsewhere and go back to the aggressive Butler of old and realize it was the coach and the system that affected him and not the player on the decline. I was always skeptical that Butler was on the decline because it would have been such a rapid decline. Not just from last year to this year, but from his limited games with Minny this season vs his time with the Sixers. He just never looked the same when he got here. And then when you see the same thing happen to Harris when he came here, you have to wonder if this system just isn't comfortable for wing players who like the ball in their hands.

I don’t know what I would do as GM.

Obviously, I first give Durant and Kawhi a courtesy offer. Assuming neither is interested, I’d prob bring back the same group, with Tobias and Jimmy on max deals.

However, Jimmy’s age and injury history are such a big risk, and I only take that risk if the reward is an all-nba type player. Not sure with a full offseason what Brett would do differently to fully utilize Jimmy.

Tough call.