PACERS WIN coin flip. Will select 18th in draft

[Scoot McGroot]

As a result of coin flips we have won the 18th pick, and thus reverse order also 50th overall.

[Wizop]

nice. good year for drafting. Pacers win flip. Fever with worst record only get 3rd pick but the player they needed is still there. time to take another look at the mocks.

as a matter of housekeeping, do you plan to close this thread quickly as we have a sticky draft thread or to start over here or ???

[Scoot McGroot]

nice. good year for drafting. Pacers win flip. Fever with worst record only get 3rd pick but the player they needed is still there. time to take another look at the mocks.

as a matter of housekeeping, do you plan to close this thread quickly as we have a sticky draft thread or to start over here or ???

Surprisingly, I don’t have the ability to lock or unlock threads since I’m retired and all

I opened this more about the tiebreaker and quickly get out the fact that we’ll be 18th. I assume that the rest of the draft talk can happen in the sticky thread. In the past, we had a separate thread for hosting workouts. And any actual heavy rumor could get it’s own thread if need be?

[Wizop]

nice. good year for drafting. Pacers win flip. Fever with worst record only get 3rd pick but the player they needed is still there. time to take another look at the mocks.

as a matter of housekeeping, do you plan to close this thread quickly as we have a sticky draft thread or to start over here or ???

Surprisingly, I don’t have the ability to lock or unlock threads since I’m retired and all

I opened this more about the tiebreaker and quickly get out the fact that we’ll be 18th. I assume that the rest of the draft talk can happen in the sticky thread. In the past, we had a separate thread for hosting workouts. And any actual heavy rumor could get it’s own thread if need be?

okay. I'll put other draft talk in the sticky thread. quick look for players around 18 shows no consistency between mocks. just too early.

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[Scoot McGroot]

nice. good year for drafting. Pacers win flip. Fever with worst record only get 3rd pick but the player they needed is still there. time to take another look at the mocks.

as a matter of housekeeping, do you plan to close this thread quickly as we have a sticky draft thread or to start over here or ???

Surprisingly, I don’t have the ability to lock or unlock threads since I’m retired and all

I opened this more about the tiebreaker and quickly get out the fact that we’ll be 18th. I assume that the rest of the draft talk can happen in the sticky thread. In the past, we had a separate thread for hosting workouts. And any actual heavy rumor could get it’s own thread if need be?

okay. I'll put other draft talk in the sticky thread. quick look for players around 18 shows no consistency between mocks. just too early.

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Curious, who do you like looking at this early?

[Wizop]

Curious, who do you like looking at this early?

I know more what I want than who I want. I want a wing with length and speed. the kids from Washington and USC could fit. don't know the euros at all yet.

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[Scoot McGroot]

Curious, who do you like looking at this early?

I know more what I want than who I want. I want a wing with length and speed. the kids from Washington and USC could fit. don't know the euros at all yet.

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I meant moreso what draft analysts or mocks do you look at/value. DraftExpress moving behind the paywall at ESPN really made me cut back on reading reviews of guys. NBADraft.net consistently has one of the most accurate final mocks at the draft, but they drastically change their mocks heading into the final week before the draft to more of a consensus of what everyone else has, and doesn't really provide much in terms of solid scouting reports.

[Scoot McGroot]

Curious, who do you like looking at this early?

I know more what I want than who I want. I want a wing with length and speed. the kids from Washington and USC could fit. don't know the euros at all yet.

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But yeah. Inject that straight into my veins. I'd love a 3 with size that could actually play the 4 effectively too. Maybe that's Alize?

[Wizop]

But yeah. Inject that straight into my veins. I'd love a 3 with size that could actually play the 4 effectively too. Maybe that's Alize?

Alize played 5 against Atlanta but I only listened on the radio which gave limited information. he did get rebounds. not his position though they were just stuck after KOQ was ejected. at this point I'm more excited about Sumner.

good point though. I was thinking 2/3 but 3/4 would be better.

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[Wizop]

Curious, who do you like looking at this early?

I know more what I want than who I want. I want a wing with length and speed. the kids from Washington and USC could fit. don't know the euros at all yet.

Sent from my phone.

I meant moreso what draft analysts or mocks do you look at/value. DraftExpress moving behind the paywall at ESPN really made me cut back on reading reviews of guys. NBADraft.net consistently has one of the most accurate final mocks at the draft, but they drastically change their mocks heading into the final week before the draft to more of a consensus of what everyone else has, and doesn't really provide much in terms of solid scouting reports.

I liked draftexpress but didn't follow them to ESPN. Stepian and the Ringer were good last year. maybe theathletic will have something. let me know if you find something good.

truthfully right now I'm more into Colts draft. and Celts series of course.

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[boomershadow]

I looked up a list of players selected at spot number 18 and saw a few good names. It's not like picking at number one of course....

Eric Bledsoe
Sam Dekker
David West
Ty Lawson
Gerald Green
Marco Belinelli
BJ Armstrong
Joe Dumars
Mark Jackson

[Moooose]

Glad we got lucky with the coin flip. Still too early for sites to have reasonable mock drafts but the jump from 20 to 18 is a big advantage, I think. I don't think this is a weak draft, it's just a "young / raw" draft IMO with lots of projects from mid first all the way to the 2nd round. The jump from 18 to 20, I believe, gives us chances on the likes of Bol Bol, Jaxson Hayes, Nassir Little, and very possibly, Romeo Langford just to give a few big names.

Personally, I want the Pacers to get a defensive big who can pair with Domas in the 2nd unit. I am hoping for Hayes or Bol Bol now that we are at 18.

At 20, my favorite's been Tennessee's Grant Williams but it's hard for me to not see Georges Niang in him. The guy to me is one of the smartest in this draft class. Talen Horton - Tucker is also a good choice as he plays a lot like Eric Gordon / Dion Waiters but that kid needs to lose some weight.

This draft has a lot of guards and wings who play the same, with only a few standouts.

For my Bruins, Moses Brown needs to go back to college. Wilkes is a sleeper, IMO, who can climb the draft boards once the private workouts begin. And Jaylen Hands to me is a late first / 2nd round sleeper, much like Anfernee Simons from last year. I don't think we're gonna get someone from UCLA this year. NCAA big names Kyle Guy and Carsen Edwards are possibilities for the 50th pick. Most likely, their draft stock will fall once the scrimmages start and they would likely look average.

[Topofthekey]

Should have just went with playing the young guys more

Even if it meant dropping to the 7th seed, that just means we pick two spots higher in the draft

Does it matter whether we lose to the Celtics or the Raptors in the first round

[Scoot McGroot]

Should have just went with playing the young guys more

Even if it meant dropping to the 7th seed, that just means we pick two spots higher in the draft

Does it matter whether we lose to the Celtics or the Raptors in the first round

We were only two games from hosting a 1st round series For the team, that was worth it. I mean, I’d have loved to see the young guys more, but having been a Pacers fan for even a small amount of time, I know that’s just not how the franchise has ever operated. At least since the late 80’s early 90’s.

[Topofthekey]

We were only two games from hosting a 1st round series For the team, that was worth it. I mean, I’d have loved to see the young guys more, but having been a Pacers fan for even a small amount of time, I know that’s just not how the franchise has ever operated. At least since the late 80’s early 90’s.

Sure, but playing the younger guys more doesn't equate to giving up - in fact, they'll probably play just as hard, in order to win

What I'm saying is, playing the younger guys more is a win-win situation:

If the team ended up at the 6th or 7th seed, that's fine, they tried their best, it's great experience for them, and we pick one or two spots higher any way

If the team ended up with the 4th or 5th seed, it means the younger guys stepped up and answered the call when the team needed them, that's a Cinderella story that I can get behind, and imagine the amount of confidence they will have going into the next season

It just makes much more sense giving the younger guys the opportunity and telling them to go for it

[Scoot McGroot]

We were only two games from hosting a 1st round series For the team, that was worth it. I mean, I’d have loved to see the young guys more, but having been a Pacers fan for even a small amount of time, I know that’s just not how the franchise has ever operated. At least since the late 80’s early 90’s.

Sure, but playing the younger guys more doesn't equate to giving up - in fact, they'll probably play just as hard, in order to win

What I'm saying is, playing the younger guys more is a win-win situation:

If the team ended up at the 6th or 7th seed, that's fine, they tried their best, it's great experience for them, and we pick one or two spots higher any way

If the team ended up with the 4th or 5th seed, it means the younger guys stepped up and answered the call when the team needed them, that's a Cinderella story that I can get behind, and imagine the amount of confidence they will have going into the next season

It just makes much more sense giving the younger guys the opportunity and telling them to go for it

Anything can be imaginary win win in hindsight and with no proof either way

The Pacers played out the run with hopes for home court advantage and came very close. I absolutely wish we would’ve seen more of the young guys myself as well, but, that’s not the way the Pacers have operated for the last 30+ years. Simon has asked to win every game we can, and they all believed that the vets gave us that chance. Which, after the week where Sumner got to start, there was no reason to believe that the young guys gave us anywhere near as good a chance to win games as the vets.

If we had given the reins to the young guys and waived Tyreke and benched Thad after the Vic injury, I think we would’ve lost a lot more games, maybe out of the playoffs, and I think it also would’ve completely changed the development, attitude, and chemistry of our team, including the young guys. The Pacers got a lot of kudos for how hard they’ve played all year, and to have thrown that away may have meant essentially throwing away all mental development of Holiday, Leaf, Sumner, etc.

Either way, we can’t say “I wish we made this change” and then assume that everything good that happened would have still happened, and yet that more good things would’ve happened too! We thought dealing an injured Granger for a developing bench threat in Evan Turner was going to help us over the top, and apparently, it killed a potential dynasty and pushed West and Paul George to leave as early as possible? (Though I personally doubt that). We are where we are. Any changes we made would’ve risked changing much more than just what we hoped for.

[boomershadow]

Should have just went with playing the young guys more

Even if it meant dropping to the 7th seed, that just means we pick two spots higher in the draft

Does it matter whether we lose to the Celtics or the Raptors in the first round

We were only two games from hosting a 1st round series For the team, that was worth it. I mean, I’d have loved to see the young guys more, but having been a Pacers fan for even a small amount of time, I know that’s just not how the franchise has ever operated. At least since the late 80’s early 90’s.

I don't know that we've never done that. We let Mahinmi walk and installed Turner as the future of the franchise at center ....probably a year too early. That's the last draft pick of ours that we've really given any significant opportunity to, and the result is a guy that we are confident will be our starting center for years to come. Being a small market team, it seems most of whatever success we've had has come from developing our own players: Granger, George, Stephenson, and Turner top that list. Certainly our free agent acquisitions and trade targets have been hit or miss over the same time period.

Anything can be imaginary win win in hindsight and with no proof either way

I know there's an unfortunate amount of negativity around here lately, and I totally get not wanting to hop on that bandwagon, but I don't think it's wrong to criticize a situation that certainly turned out to be a lose/lose. We prioritized going after home court advantage by playing vets instead of giving developmental time to guys like Holiday and Leaf. And if we had actually gotten home court advantage, this would be an entirely different debate .....a debate about whether home court advantage in one year of the playoffs was worth keeping our youngsters on the bench for. If we had that at least, then the conservative route we took would be super justifiable by our Pacers' small market mindset. But we didn't even get that. So I think it's entirely appropriate to call our current situation at least in this regard exactly what it is, a lose/lose.

And that's not even touching the topic of whether watching CoJo brick shot after shot just because he's been in the league a few years actually gave the team a better chance of getting the team home court advantage or winning a playoff series. And that's a debate I think is worth having too.

[basketballwacko2]

nice. good year for drafting. Pacers win flip. Fever with worst record only get 3rd pick but the player they needed is still there. time to take another look at the mocks.

as a matter of housekeeping, do you plan to close this thread quickly as we have a sticky draft thread or to start over here or ???

Surprisingly, I don’t have the ability to lock or unlock threads since I’m retired and all

I opened this more about the tiebreaker and quickly get out the fact that we’ll be 18th. I assume that the rest of the draft talk can happen in the sticky thread. In the past, we had a separate thread for hosting workouts. And any actual heavy rumor could get it’s own thread if need be?

You're too young to be retired Scooter!

[pacers70]

This should make it easier use this pick in a package to trade for a star.

[basketballwacko2]

I like Kris Wilks but it looks like he might be slipping into the 2nd round. Maybe we can buy a pick in the 2nd I think one of the top 5 in the 2nd might take cash and our pick or a future 2nd if Wilkes is available at say 34-36.