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Re: Search for the next president 

Post#81 » by milesfides » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:19 pm

Kilroy wrote:Hinkie is massively over-rated... Not sure how you could read his goodby letter to the Sixers and still want him anywhere near your team... Dude's ego makes Elon Musk look like Ed Sheeran


Have you even read that letter? He was very transparent about his thought processes, including his own shortcomings. You can say whatever you want about GM's out there, but nobody really knows the inner workings of their minds (except for the ruthless Danny Ainge). If anything, after reading this letter, I was convinced that this guy is qualified, if not overqualified for the job.

As far as ego goes, I thought he acquitted himself well by explaining his strategies and motivations and philosophy - that's not egocentric. He doesn't pimp a personality. He is a down-to-earth low-key guy. He was behind the scenes with Daryl Morey and the MIT Sloan Conference, despite his significant role in both. He's no Magic Johnson.

And he absolutely is the smartest guy in the room. Check his credentials. He's a genius. Not only did he help launch the application of modern analytics in the NBA, first with the Rockets then the Sixers, but he's actually qualified with management (Stanford MBA) and his work with Bain Capital and private equity.

That doesn't make him merely a front office guy. Has there ever been a player who's shown such loyalty and love to a GM (and now former GM) than Embiid to Sam Hinkie? I've never seen that before or since. Hinkie is a GM who invests deeply in his team and players on a personal level - whether it's Embiid or Robert Covington or TJ McConnell. That's particularly important considering how our current front office has basically advertised to the league: "we won't respect you, we won't support you, we will lie to you if we have to."

Can't dismiss Hinkie based on the early exit from his Trust the Process approach - the Colangelos (how'd that work out lol) robbed him of the success they're having now. If you empowered Hinkie, his long term strategies will win, because while nobody is perfect in this risky game, nobody has consistently made better data-driven decisions. He is the most qualified and competent GM out there. Nobody is smarter.
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Re: Search for the next president 

Post#82 » by dockingsched » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:23 pm

Id love Hinkie as GM not president, but I’m under no illusion he’d even be considered by Jeanie.
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Re: Search for the next president 

Post#83 » by Yank3525 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:24 pm

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Did not know that Pelinka has this much bad reputation. Where was the bad press when he was hired?


Pelinka should go, but a lot of these takes seem self-serving.
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Re: Search for the next president 

Post#84 » by tamaraw08 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:24 pm

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Kilroy wrote:Riley showed a lot of love for Jeannie and the Lakers when he spoke at her dad's funeral... His tenure here didn't end the best, but I got the feeling then, that there was a path back to the Lakers, and I think he wouldn't mind coming back here for another run in some capacity.
Total long shot, obviously, but I could see him coming in and being like a father figure to Jeanie and Linda since they both were around for his last run.
But I also agree that he's not really been a world-beater in Miami with the teams he's built... Adding logo would make a lot of sense.


West in a consultant role is fine or even as a temporary President to help find the right guy then back off into a consultants role, even Riles if that is what he'd want but for either being the acting PoBBO is something (to me) to avoid... I want stability, I'm kind of over the retirement tour landing spot for these guys. I'd much rather see somebody younger that will stick for more than 3 or 4 years.

You got two Buss kids that are in the FO that have lived and breathed basketball, same with Ryan West or somebody from the outside that looks promising. If you can get that West or Riley type to come in and mentor to me that's the best of both worlds. Whoever it is is in a tough spot. Lebron has two years left (3 if you count the option) so there's pressure to build around him but at the same time you do need to think long term and not screw things up by getting rid of the future while trying to build around Lebron. Both are hard to do but not impossible. Big hurdle is selling Lebron on it because if he doesn't everyone is going to look bad.

Wonder how Lebron would work with Riles.. they didn't have the best of goodbyes

I agree, it's going to be a long shot landing Riley and it's going to cost a lot considering what he is getting at Miami. I love his passion to win, never wanting to tank but this also resulted to bad contracts like the type he gave to Brian Grant and higher than usual salaries to several average players. And because he loves to win, I would imagine that he'll mend fences with Lebron. But you can't have both West and him running the show. Some here thinks it's all kumbaya but these 2 guys are both alphas and want their way.
You have solid talent evaluators in the front office, a guy in Pelinka who knows the numbers better than anyone, lean heavily on Kobe and Lebron to do some serious recruiting and see where the chips fall. There's enough knowledge in the front office now to fill out the roster, nothing they do will or can worse than what Magic filled it out with last summer with his version of roster building

Their scouts are very solid IMO. I would make sure Kobe is in the same room with Lebron when they recruit FA's, pay him per hour or a large bonus if they land Kyrie or Klay etc.
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Re: Search for the next president 

Post#85 » by milesfides » Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:53 pm

dockingsched wrote:Id love Hinkie as GM not president, but I’m under no illusion he’d even be considered by Jeanie.


The difference between GM and President can be an arbitrary distinction. Sometimes a team can have both, one or the other, or the both in one person, for example Mitch Kupchak in Charlotte.

It depends on the situation, but with the Lakers, I can’t find a good reason why you’d want to complicate an already fragmented and conflicted front office. In terms of Hinkie, he’s proven to handle if not excel in the major executive roles of management and analytics. He has the background and experience to back it up.

And rather than bringing in another chef to disrupt the kitchen, I’d be more in favor of promoting or empowering guys like Ryan West or whoever else was responsible for evaluating no-name talent in the draft and g-league. We have been consistently good in that area, and these guys can provide the soft data to complement the hard data in Hinkie. But there must be a clear chain of command, and I’d rather give that executive position to a person who is rational, conscientious, and free from any conflict of interest.
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Re: Search for the next president 

Post#86 » by tamaraw08 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:31 pm

milesfides wrote:
dockingsched wrote:Id love Hinkie as GM not president, but I’m under no illusion he’d even be considered by Jeanie.


The difference between GM and President can be an arbitrary distinction. Sometimes a team can have both, one or the other, or the both in one person, for example Mitch Kupchak in Charlotte.

It depends on the situation, but with the Lakers, I can’t find a good reason why you’d want to complicate an already fragmented and conflicted front office. In terms of Hinkie, he’s proven to handle if not excel in the major executive roles of management and analytics. He has the background and experience to back it up.
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Re: Search for the next president 

Post#87 » by dockingsched » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:37 pm

For anyone that had interest in Griffin, he’s off the table:

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Post#88 » by Mamba Mentality » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:42 pm

dockingsched wrote:For anyone that had interest in Griffin, he’s off the table:

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Post#89 » by I_Love_This_Game!! » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:49 pm

I was not a huge Griffin fan, but it sucks knowing he isn't in the pool of candidates that will be considered for POBO. That, on top of the reports that and Pelinka is being given more responsibility in the front office....I think I am going to be sick.

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Re: Search for the next president 

Post#90 » by Kilroy » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:27 am

I want to go back in time to 2001 and tell my 2001 self that in 2019 the Lakers would be run by Jeannie Buss, and Kurt Rambis' wife, Kobe's agent would be GM and our current PG, Tyrone Lue would be coach...
I think it would be an excellent lesson to my younger self not to romanticize the future...
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Post#91 » by Landsberger » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:47 am

Kilroy wrote:I want to go back in time to 2001 and tell my 2001 self that in 2019 the Lakers would be run by Jeannie Buss, and Kurt Rambis' wife, Kobe's agent would be GM and our current PG, Tyrone Lue would be coach...
I think it would be an excellent lesson to my younger self not to romanticize the future...


You forgot the the dog.....

2001 Lue was the PG off the bench.... 2003 Luke was on the bench. What's Devean George been up to?
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Post#92 » by dockingsched » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:55 am

Getting the feeling title of this thread will eventually need to be changed to “search for a GM” or “search cancelled” after Rob has his title changed to something higher.
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Post#93 » by iamworthy » Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:35 am

Kobe making power moves.
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Post#94 » by slifersd » Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:36 am

Seems like Jeannie is going to double down on keeping every Lakers job within the family. Good luck to her on that, it's worked wonders last six years.
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Post#95 » by Lakernut4ever » Sat Apr 13, 2019 11:54 am

I sure hope that this is a calculated ploy by the front office for the Lakers to be in the news and be relevant during the playoffs...because if its not, we are definitely screwed...
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Post#96 » by indilakeshow » Sat Apr 13, 2019 5:51 pm

This isn’t even a topic anymore. Rob Pelinka is the beginning and end of the Laker front office. I mean I guess Kurt Rambis got in there somehow, but with Rob leading the search, the signal is that Rob is “our guy.” Any new POBO will have to work with him. No one in their right mind would accept such a job so it’s Rob’s now.
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Post#97 » by Rafer24 » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:34 pm

This will be the beginning of the end if Jeanie doesn´t clean house.
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Post#98 » by Landsberger » Sat Apr 13, 2019 6:35 pm

Rafer24 wrote:This will be the beginning of the end if Jeanie doesn´t clean house.


This assumes that Jeannie doesn't need to go first I guess...
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Post#99 » by Danny Darko » Sat Apr 13, 2019 9:53 pm

The collective of owners and the trust could possible make Jeanie sell, but it looks far more like we are in for the James Dolan adventure for the foreseeable future. I mean the trust got LeBron, which equals revenue regardless of record.

I'll save my napalm for post free agency, but I'm not encouraged by the fact that Luke was re-hired faster than we got rid of the vaseline snake.
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Post#100 » by Landsberger » Sat Apr 13, 2019 10:15 pm

Danny Darko wrote:The collective of owners and the trust could possible make Jeanie sell, but it looks far more like we are in for the James Dolan adventure for the foreseeable future. I mean the trust got LeBron, which equals revenue regardless of record.

I'll save my napalm for post free agency, but I'm not encouraged by the fact that Luke was re-hired faster than we got rid of the vaseline snake.


This! (the bolded part).

Hopefully this is the low point of the offseason. We have some moves to make and we could be in a much different position come August. We have assets, we have a star and we have money to spend. We have some turmoil but I think I need to focus on the "we haves" that are positive right now.

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