Season speculation, free agency, and trade ideas: #ValleyBoyz rise up

[jcsunsfan]

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Im sorry Evan, but i dont think they would give him up that easy and cheaply.

It's bad business. You don't convince a guy to extend on a reasonable deal and then trade him a few months later. He's a solid bench PG. You need a solid bench PG if you want to be good. They like him. They also have lots of wings.

There is an exception to this. If he is going somewhere he wants to go, and he goes from a bench role to a starting role, I think it would not come off as poorly.

[Saberestar]

Lowry would be a great target if the Raptors play bad in the playoffs and they want to trade him in the summer.

He can be the veteran player at PG that we need next to Booker.

Tyler Johnson + Josh Jackson + 2020 FRP (Top 7 protected... for example) can be a solid offer for Lowry ($33M expiring contract).

[SunsLyf3]

I wouldn't mind an Alan Williams return. Bring back Holmes and Bender as well. Go for say TJ Mcconnell and Keep Tyler Johnson as the starter. We at that point can either stand pat and play TJ at the 4 like many want while having depth and size upfront when needed, or trade TJ, Melton and our 1st for an upgrade at PF. Also TJ and Bridges can take the back up SG min.

TJo/TJ/Melton/Okobo
Booker/Bridges
Oubre/JJ
TJ/Bender
Ayton/Holmes/Williams.

[Saberestar]

I wouldn't mind an Alan Williams return. Bring back Holmes and Bender as well. Go for say TJ Mcconnell and Keep Tyler Johnson as the starter. We at that point can either stand pat and play TJ at the 4 like many want while having depth and size upfront when needed, or trade TJ, Melton and our 1st for an upgrade at PF. Also TJ and Bridges can take the back up SG min.

TJo/TJ/Melton/Okobo
Booker/Bridges
Oubre/JJ
TJ/Bender
Ayton/Holmes/Williams.

That is pretty close to the same team that we have now...and we have won 19 games.

I think that we need bigger changes if we really want to fight for the playoffs next season.

[SunsLyf3]

I wouldn't mind an Alan Williams return. Bring back Holmes and Bender as well. Go for say TJ Mcconnell and Keep Tyler Johnson as the starter. We at that point can either stand pat and play TJ at the 4 like many want while having depth and size upfront when needed, or trade TJ, Melton and our 1st for an upgrade at PF. Also TJ and Bridges can take the back up SG min.

TJo/TJ/Melton/Okobo
Booker/Bridges
Oubre/JJ
TJ/Bender
Ayton/Holmes/Williams.

That is pretty close to the same team that we have now...and we have won 19 games.

I think that we need bigger changes if we really want to fight for the playoffs next season.

Except we would have 2 point guards who can take care of the ball and keep it from sticking, something we had for about 8 total games this year. Also that line up does not include our 1st this year. I personally would prefer to trade TJ, Our 1st and fillers for a PF.

edit: thats also just me being a bit more realistic based on our current reputation around the league and the lack of FA attraction.

[bwgood77]

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Im sorry Evan, but i dont think they would give him up that easy and cheaply.

It's bad business. You don't convince a guy to extend on a reasonable deal and then trade him a few months later. He's a solid bench PG. You need a solid bench PG if you want to be good. They like him. They also have lots of wings.

There is an exception to this. If he is going somewhere he wants to go, and he goes from a bench role to a starting role, I think it would not come off as poorly.

Sure, possibly. But in that case he probably would have waited for free agency. He's probably pretty happy where he is.

[WeekapaugGroove]

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Good to see Evan finally read this thread

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[handsome salary]

I cannot remember what it feels like to root for a team in the playoffs.

[alamin330]

IF suns can find a way to trade for Conley we could have a similar version of the rockets but I think with a better supporting cast. Conley and booker same type of backcourt as Paul and harden.

[Crives]

IF suns can find a way to trade for Conley we could have a similar version of the rockets but I think with a better supporting cast. Conley and booker same type of backcourt as Paul and harden.

Out of all of the potential offseason moves we can make, signing Conley is the scariest. Really hope we don’t go down that path and I will be really surprised if we do.

[Ghost of Kleine]

IF suns can find a way to trade for Conley we could have a similar version of the rockets but I think with a better supporting cast. Conley and booker same type of backcourt as Paul and harden.

Agreed, that's why I have been pushing the Tyler Johnson/Warren for Conley trade. Hopefully our front office will actually be proactive this offseason.

Also, with the increasingly unstable recent behavior of their front office, it becomes a more realistically plausible scenario for us.

[Ghost of Kleine]

IF suns can find a way to trade for Conley we could have a similar version of the rockets but I think with a better supporting cast. Conley and booker same type of backcourt as Paul and harden.

Out of all of the potential offseason moves we can make, signing Conley is the scariest. Really hope we don’t go down that path and I will be really surprised if we do.

Just curious man, Why do you find that scenario to be scary for us?

I mean, He's a good defender, provides really solid production, and is a playoff tested veteran presence, who's probably our most realistic option for a high caliber floor general that could actually lead us into the playoffs.

[Crives]

IF suns can find a way to trade for Conley we could have a similar version of the rockets but I think with a better supporting cast. Conley and booker same type of backcourt as Paul and harden.

Out of all of the potential offseason moves we can make, signing Conley is the scariest. Really hope we don’t go down that path and I will be really surprised if we do.

Just curious man, Why do you find that scenario to be scary for us?

To much risk for the reward for me. I am not messing around with an aging player coming off an Achilles injury that only makes $5m less then wall next year. If he reinjures his Achilles all of the years of losing for our draft picks could go to waste with the Amt of dead money we will have.

[Wilber85]

Lets get Ricky Rubio & Draft Ja Morant.

Then let's trade for Aaron Gordon - Warren, Future 1st, Milwaukee pick

Rubio, Morant
Booker, Bridges
Oubre, Jackson
Gordon, Bender
Ayton, Holmes

[alamin330]

Or we can trade for Conley and keep Morant and have both.

[Qwigglez]

It's bad business. You don't convince a guy to extend on a reasonable deal and then trade him a few months later. He's a solid bench PG. You need a solid bench PG if you want to be good. They like him. They also have lots of wings.

There is an exception to this. If he is going somewhere he wants to go, and he goes from a bench role to a starting role, I think it would not come off as poorly.

Sure, possibly. But in that case he probably would have waited for free agency. He's probably pretty happy where he is.

Don’t think it has anything to do with where he’s at, and it’s all about financial security. He did tear his ACL his junior year of college and declared for the draft.
Still think it’s highly unlikely the Nets trade him, mostly because he’s paid very fairly (possibly underpaid). Also he helps make the identity of the Nets which should help lure possibly a max tier free agent.

[DirtyDez]

There’s a thread on the T&T board about what the Suns would have to add to #3 to get Ben Simmons. I would add the Bucks pick and Warren or Jackson. Probably still wouldn’t come close. I get his flaws and the fact he’s going to owed a lot of money but he would be so good for Booker/Ayton.

[WeekapaugGroove]

There’s a thread on the T&T board about what the Suns would have to add to #3 to get Ben Simmons. I would add the Bucks pick and Warren or Jackson. Probably still wouldn’t come close. I get his flaws and the fact he’s going to owed a lot of money but he would be so good for Booker/Ayton.

Oh yeah I'd absolutely trade for Simmons. People are down on him but I'll buy up that stock. Build a system that plays to his strengths.

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[Crives]

There’s a thread on the T&T board about what the Suns would have to add to #3 to get Ben Simmons. I would add the Bucks pick and Warren or Jackson. Probably still wouldn’t come close. I get his flaws and the fact he’s going to owed a lot of money but he would be so good for Booker/Ayton.

I like the fact that he can play pf on defense and pg on offense. Would allow us to bring Bridges back into the starting lineup as he does a good job guarding pgs. I think Bridges played his best defense against opposing pgs this year (some wings were able to overpower Bridges)

Offense
PG - Simmons
SG -Book
SF - Bridges
PF - Oubre
C - Ayton

Defense
PG - Bridges
SG - Book
SF - Oubre
PF - Simmons
C - Ayton


But chemistry, wise I think I would be to worried with him clashing with Book to make a big offer

[Kerrsed]

Im sorry, but no way the Suns get Simmons on anything close to that deal. There is no way the Suns would get Simmons while also keeping Booker/Ayton/Bridges. Suns would have to give up multiple future 1sts with little to no protection.

If you look at said thread on the Trade Board, it was created by a Suns fan and damn near every post in it is from Suns fans, besides a few posts sprinkled here and there bringing the reality to the thread with posts basically saying no way in hell.

As someone mentioned, Suns might be able to get away with doing a 3-way and somehow netting the Sixers Beal in return, but its still going to cost a pretty penny for the Wizards to give him up.