I just realized that literally everything Magic Johnson said was wrong.

spikeslovechild · Post #41 » by **spikeslovechild** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:51 am

I still don't understand why Pelinka not only gets to keep his job but is essentially getting a promotion. For all the grief Magic gets how many of these moves were actually his brain child rather then him just being the pitch man and selling it to players and the media.

I guess we will find out but for those people who think Magic being gone solves anything I'm not so sure. Also you can forget about West coming and not being able to choose a GM or really any reputable POBO you might as well just give Pelinka the title rather then hire someone desperate enough to take on that kind of role. Like a former player (Kobe?) or an exile like Colangelo.

D.Brasco · Post #42 » by **D.Brasco** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:55 am

CycklopsGT wrote:
picc wrote:Seems like just in general, the higher you are on the GOAT list the less anyone should listen to you on how to run a team.

I'll never get over the fact that an ABA team actually hired Wilt Chamberlain as their head coach.

Half the NBA and ABA were on coke during the 70s that's probably the least crazy idea to come out of that period.

lakerz12 · Post #43 » by **lakerz12** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:58 am

CycklopsGT wrote:This clip has been posted before but I couldn't help revisiting it since it seems like every quote Magic gives in this clip turned out to be factually wrong.

Read on Twitter

"We don't want to run everything through him because then it's Cleveland all over again and we don't want that."
**Lakers have offered coaching job to Tyronn Lue.

"Everyone is saying the Lakers don't have shooting, oh we've got shooting."
**Lakers were 29th in the league in 3-point shooting this season.

"Every team that had shooting, they got beat"
**Warriors won the 2018 NBA Championship with the league best 3-point shooting.

"I built this team based on what happened in the playoffs"
**Lakers missed the playoffs.

"I'm gonna get another superstar."
**Was unable to close Anthony Davis deal.

"You think I'm worried about this? I've been in 9 Finals."
**Quit abruptly before the end of the season saying it wasn't fun, he couldn't handle the backstabbing, and that he 'couldn't stand to tell' Jeanie Buss.

"I'm Magic Johnson."
**...okay, he got that right.

"Every team that had shooting, they got beat-
**Warriors won the 2018 NBA Championship with the league best 3-point shooting".

He was talking about teams that FACED the Warriors and specifically how to beat the Warriors. So using the Warriors as your example doesn't work.

Technically he is correct: the teams with shooting that faced the Warriors did get beat. His point was that you need to have more than shooting to beat them.

kb24k · Post #44 » by **kb24k** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 2:05 am

CycklopsGT wrote:
picc wrote:Seems like just in general, the higher you are on the GOAT list the less anyone should listen to you on how to run a team.

I'll never get over the fact that an ABA team actually hired Wilt Chamberlain as their head coach.

They hired him as player-coach. Maybe they were more interested in the player part

Lalouie · Post #45 » by **Lalouie** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:06 am

MalonesElbows wrote:
Lalouie wrote:If lal had 50 wins and in the playoffs, Magic wouldn't have "quit".

He sucked and did a sucky job. But,,,, it sucking isn't fun then I guess he was partially being honest

At least he realized early the job was too tough, and didn't completely kill the franchise (like IT did to the Knicks).

didn't kill the franchise?

i beg to differ. the lakers dead as a door nail dead. they currently have no future and when lebron retires they'll be even deader. and if lue comes aboard, the lakers will be lenbron's team and the transformation will be complete. it will be lebron's org and lal will have lost it's identity for the near future

lakerz12 · Post #46 » by **lakerz12** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:09 am

Lalouie wrote:
MalonesElbows wrote:
Lalouie wrote:If lal had 50 wins and in the playoffs, Magic wouldn't have "quit".

He sucked and did a sucky job. But,,,, it sucking isn't fun then I guess he was partially being honest

At least he realized early the job was too tough, and didn't completely kill the franchise (like IT did to the Knicks).

didn't kill the franchise?

i beg to differ. the lakers dead as a door nail dead. they currently have no future and when lebron retires they'll be even deader. and if lue comes aboard, the lakers will be lenbron's team and the transformation will be complete. it will be lebron's org and lal will have lost it's identity for the near future

Dead as a door nail? No future? :lol:

They have a decent chance to roster next year:

Lonzo, All Star level FA, Ingram, Kuzma, LeBron...

No future? Just stop man. You've gone too far. That'd be one of the more talented rosters in the league...so you must think virtually every team has no future.

Lalouie · Post #47 » by **Lalouie** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:35 am

lakerz12 wrote:
Lalouie wrote:
MalonesElbows wrote:
At least he realized early the job was too tough, and didn't completely kill the franchise (like IT did to the Knicks).

didn't kill the franchise?

i beg to differ. the lakers dead as a door nail dead. they currently have no future and when lebron retires they'll be even deader. and if lue comes aboard, the lakers will be lenbron's team and the transformation will be complete. it will be lebron's org and lal will have lost it's identity for the near future

Dead as a door nail? No future?

They have a decent chance to roster next year:

Lonzo, All Star level FA, Ingram, Kuzma, LeBron...

No future? Just stop man. You've gone too far. That'd be one of the more talented rosters in the league...so you must think virtually every team has no future.

you're very loyal guy.
lonzo, as much as i love him, has had NO complete season. he is glass until he shows otherwise.
ingram you know.

a bunch of 1yr vets
an older lebron
still no shooting
still no free throwing
that core youth kuzma/ingram/ball/hart's value has dropped like a lead balloon.
and where is that all star coming from??? certainly not kawhi kd kyrie davis. so who is the second tier alternative to those guys? any one you say would be pure speculation as there is NO ONE literally on the horizon. give me a reasonable, non-"pull-out-of-your-@$$"name that laker fans can get jazzed about. the lure is gone. magic is gone. lebron IS NOT attractive any longer. his ring days are behind him. other gm's HATE pelinka, and the lakers have no assets.

and lebron will be a year older

lakerz12 · Post #48 » by **lakerz12** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 4:42 am

Lalouie wrote:
lakerz12 wrote:
Lalouie wrote:
didn't kill the franchise?

i beg to differ. the lakers dead as a door nail dead. they currently have no future and when lebron retires they'll be even deader. and if lue comes aboard, the lakers will be lenbron's team and the transformation will be complete. it will be lebron's org and lal will have lost it's identity for the near future

Dead as a door nail? No future?

They have a decent chance to roster next year:

Lonzo, All Star level FA, Ingram, Kuzma, LeBron...

No future? Just stop man. You've gone too far. That'd be one of the more talented rosters in the league...so you must think virtually every team has no future.

you're very loyal guy.
lonzo, as much as i love him, has had NO complete season. he is glass until he shows otherwise.
ingram you know.

a bunch of 1yr vets
an older lebron
still no shooting
still no free throwing
that core youth kuzma/ingram/ball/hart's value has dropped like a lead balloon.
and where is that all star coming from??? certainly not kawhi kd kyrie davis. so who is the second tier alternative to those guys? any one you say would be pure speculation as there is NO ONE literally on the horizon. give me a reasonable, non-"pull-out-of-your-@$$"name that laker fans can get jazzed about. the lure is gone. magic is gone. lebron IS NOT attractive any longer. his ring days are behind him. other gm's HATE pelinka, and the lakers have no assets.

and lebron will be a year older

Well thanks for calling me loyal. That's kind of you to say.

The rest of your post seems very pessimistic.

There's no guarantee that none of the guys you mentioned won't join the team. We could still be looking at Kawhi, Klay, Butler, or Kyrie, etc.

Yeah there is adversity to overcome, but to say there is no future is way too extreme.

If you took this negative brush to every team you could make a case for them being in huge trouble as well. It seems more like you're just way harsher on the Lakers.

dc · Post #49 » by dc » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:41 am

MrBigShot wrote:Off the court he's proved to be impatient and say lots of stuff that is ends up being either blatantly wrong, or simply really obvious.

The most appalling thing I've seen him do off court were those commercials as a spokesman for Rent-A-Center.

Basically used his name to exploit poor people for a completely slimy business.

SweetTouch · Post #50 » by **SweetTouch** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:45 am

Every player the lakers wanted get injured or are injured

They have a curse

Ryoga Hibiki · Post #51 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:37 am

XTraderXL wrote:His new nickname should be Tragic Johnson.

New?

Ryoga Hibiki · Post #52 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:44 am

Mk0 wrote:err lemme rephrase than.. Bird is the sole owner of MVP, FMVP, COY and EOY.

Right? whatever the case he has both the highest honors for a player and an executive.

Magic and Bird were great rivals as players. As executives... Bird wins by a mile.

God, just imagine what Larry could have done if Indy was a big market/spender.

Pretty sure Bird is the only MVP or FMVP who has been COY.
And the the only MVP to be EOY.
Dumars and West are the tow other FMVPs who've been EOY.

Mk0 · Post #53 » by **Mk0** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:28 am

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
Mk0 wrote:err lemme rephrase than.. Bird is the sole owner of MVP, FMVP, COY and EOY.

Right? whatever the case he has both the highest honors for a player and an executive.

Magic and Bird were great rivals as players. As executives... Bird wins by a mile.

God, just imagine what Larry could have done if Indy was a big market/spender.

Pretty sure Bird is the only MVP or FMVP who has been COY.
And the the only MVP to be EOY.
Dumars and West are the tow other FMVPs who've been EOY.

I meant that he had all of the accolades. Either way this is getting off topic.

So Magic.. good lord was he bad at running the Lakers!

CycklopsGT · Post #54 » by **CycklopsGT** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:32 am

kb24k wrote:
CycklopsGT wrote:
picc wrote:Seems like just in general, the higher you are on the GOAT list the less anyone should listen to you on how to run a team.

I'll never get over the fact that an ABA team actually hired Wilt Chamberlain as their head coach.

They hired him as player-coach. Maybe they were more interested in the player part

Yeah.

CycklopsGT · Post #55 » by **CycklopsGT** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:35 am

lakerz12 wrote:
CycklopsGT wrote:This clip has been posted before but I couldn't help revisiting it since it seems like every quote Magic gives in this clip turned out to be factually wrong.

Read on Twitter

"We don't want to run everything through him because then it's Cleveland all over again and we don't want that."
**Lakers have offered coaching job to Tyronn Lue.

"Everyone is saying the Lakers don't have shooting, oh we've got shooting."
**Lakers were 29th in the league in 3-point shooting this season.

"Every team that had shooting, they got beat"
**Warriors won the 2018 NBA Championship with the league best 3-point shooting.

"I built this team based on what happened in the playoffs"
**Lakers missed the playoffs.

"I'm gonna get another superstar."
**Was unable to close Anthony Davis deal.

"You think I'm worried about this? I've been in 9 Finals."
**Quit abruptly before the end of the season saying it wasn't fun, he couldn't handle the backstabbing, and that he 'couldn't stand to tell' Jeanie Buss.

"I'm Magic Johnson."
**...okay, he got that right.

"Every team that had shooting, they got beat-
**Warriors won the 2018 NBA Championship with the league best 3-point shooting".

He was talking about teams that FACED the Warriors and specifically how to beat the Warriors. So using the Warriors as your example doesn't work.

Technically he is correct: the teams with shooting that faced the Warriors did get beat. His point was that you need to have more than shooting to beat them.

I must disagree, sir. He followed that up by talking about the shooters in Philly versus Boston, so he wasn't talking only about teams that faced the Warriors. Also, technically, he said "EVERY team that had shooting, they got beat." Which is an all-encompassing statement, and is demonstrably untrue. The team with the highest 3pt% in the league won the whole thing.

fouled out boy · Post #56 » by **fouled out boy** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:48 am

CycklopsGT wrote:
picc wrote:Seems like just in general, the higher you are on the GOAT list the less anyone should listen to you on how to run a team.

I'll never get over the fact that an ABA team actually hired Wilt Chamberlain as their head coach.

Damn, Jimmy Butler in the middle.

Collymore · Post #57 » by **Collymore** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:48 am

Hullajelolt wrote:
picc wrote:Seems like just in general, the higher you are on the GOAT list the less anyone should listen to you on how to run a team.

Larry Bird and Jerry West are actually quite good, they are very high on that list too.

They don't have the personality of always laughing, joking and never being serious. That ever-joking over the top happy salesman personality always raises a red flag for me when it comes to getting things done. I wouldn't hire a guy like Magic for anything long term requiring the responsibility of an adult. People like him are best dealt with on short term arrangements.

shawngoat23 · Post #58 » by **shawngoat23** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:56 am

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
XTraderXL wrote:His new nickname should be Tragic Johnson.

New?

George Orwell's 1984 recently became a bestseller once again, so I guess 35 years ago counts as fairly new.

MrPerfect1 · Post #59 » by **MrPerfect1** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:12 am

Joshyjess wrote:Not defending old Magic, but when he said this: ""Every team that had shooting, they got beat", wasn't he actually referring to trying to put together a shooting team to beat the Warriors? That every OTHER team besides the Warriors who were good shooting teams still got beat by the Warriors.

Just his logic alone is idiotic. In the NBA, only 1 team can win. Just because other teams failed win the title doesn't mean their strategy was wrong. By definition, if all 30 teams follow their optimal strategy, all but 1 will not win the title

Ryoga Hibiki · Post #60 » by **Ryoga Hibiki** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:15 am

Mk0 wrote:
Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
Mk0 wrote:err lemme rephrase than.. Bird is the sole owner of MVP, FMVP, COY and EOY.

Right? whatever the case he has both the highest honors for a player and an executive.

Magic and Bird were great rivals as players. As executives... Bird wins by a mile.

God, just imagine what Larry could have done if Indy was a big market/spender.

Pretty sure Bird is the only MVP or FMVP who has been COY.
And the the only MVP to be EOY.
Dumars and West are the tow other FMVPs who've been EOY.

I meant that he had all of the accolades. Either way this is getting off topic.

So Magic.. good lord was he bad at running the Lakers!

I understand, just wanted to point out that Bird's all around NBA career is even more unique than what you wrote.