GOAT TEAM TOURNAMENT (round 2) #4 2017 Golden State Warriors v. #5 1992 Chicago Bulls

JordansBulls · Post #21 » by **JordansBulls** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:13 pm

iggymcfrack wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:Just remember the Spurs blew out the Warriors twice that year by 20+ and was up 25 in game 1 of the WCF until Kawhi got injured. Spurs in no way shape or form as finesse as the Bulls were and were dominating the Warriors for the most part.

You really trying to get into individual regular season matchups when the Warriors had won 73 games the year before and couldn’t give two **** about the regular season? The Bulls got taken to 7 games by a Knicks team with the 2nd ranked defense and the 12th ranked offense. The Warriors had the 2nd ranked defense and one of the best offenses of all-time. They’d crush this matchup.

Bulls got taken 7 because of how agressive the Knicks were allowed to play. If you allow that against the 2017 Warriors that team would have nothing but a bunch of technicals all over the floor and would be a time bomb waiting to happen.

Lou Fan · Post #22 » by **Lou Fan** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:30 pm

This series asks for too much from Jordan. He'd have to have an other worldly series for the Bulls to pull this off. He'd have to put up a ton of points on Klay/Iggy while on chasing around and locking down Steph on the other end. Warriors are more top heavy and more deep. Cartwright and Perdue would be run off the court when the Warriors put Draymond at C. The difference in shooting and spacing is what separates these offenses and gives the Warriors the edge. The Warriors defense is also slightly better adjusted for era in my opinion with 4 really good versatile defenders in Klay/KD/Iggy/Draymond.

Dubs in 6

Can I see a bracket for this? I'm curious.

Thanks

Jiminy Glick · Post #23 » by **Jiminy Glick** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:16 pm

Warriors have McGee also, per 36 he averaged 23 a game on 65% shooting, highly effective on lobs. He plays with a lot of energy. I thought Kerr underutilized him in 2017. He made the Warriors offense so potent. He is capable of having big games. His and Durant's length and athleticism made the defense of Warriors dangerous as well.

Samurai · Post #24 » by **Samurai** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:03 pm

Jiminy Glick wrote:Warriors have McGee also, per 36 he averaged 23 a game on 65% shooting, highly effective on lobs. He plays with a lot of energy. I thought Kerr underutilized him in 2017. He made the Warriors offense so potent. He is capable of having big games. His and Durant's length and athleticism made the defense of Warriors dangerous as well.

I don't disagree with this as I was yelling at Kerr through my TV to play JaVale more. But given that Kerr limited his minutes in real life, is there something about this tournament's rules that leads you to believe that Kerr will play him more? Or at least enough more minutes to be a bigger factor? If not, I don't see what would make him more impactful here than he was in real life.

Jiminy Glick · Post #25 » by **Jiminy Glick** » Mon Apr 15, 2019 11:05 pm

Samurai wrote:
Jiminy Glick wrote:Warriors have McGee also, per 36 he averaged 23 a game on 65% shooting, highly effective on lobs. He plays with a lot of energy. I thought Kerr underutilized him in 2017. He made the Warriors offense so potent. He is capable of having big games. His and Durant's length and athleticism made the defense of Warriors dangerous as well.

I don't disagree with this as I was yelling at Kerr through my TV to play JaVale more. But given that Kerr limited his minutes in real life, is there something about this tournament's rules that leads you to believe that Kerr will play him more? Or at least enough more minutes to be a bigger factor? If not, I don't see what would make him more impactful here than he was in real life.

I don't know. I was using the rule that they would play the most logical way.

JordansBulls · Post #26 » by **JordansBulls** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:17 am

twolves97 wrote:This series asks for too much from Jordan. He'd have to have an other worldly series for the Bulls to pull this off. He'd have to put up a ton of points on Klay/Iggy while on chasing around and locking down Steph on the other end. Warriors are more top heavy and more deep. Cartwright and Perdue would be run off the court when the Warriors put Draymond at C. The difference in shooting and spacing is what separates these offenses and gives the Warriors the edge. The Warriors defense is also slightly better adjusted for era in my opinion with 4 really good versatile defenders in Klay/KD/Iggy/Draymond.

Dubs in 6

Can I see a bracket for this? I'm curious.

Thanks

Warriors may have very well lost to the Spurs in 2017 had Kawhi not got injured. Also for Draymond at Center.
Not in 1992. Draymond would be out the game from technicals and arguing all the time. You ain't playing a 4 at the 5 in the 1990's.

TheGOATRises007 · Post #27 » by **TheGOATRises007** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:47 am

I think the 92 Bulls are Jordan's best team as I stated, but I think 96 would match-up better vs GS.

I think Jordan would literally need to have not just the best series ever, but the best series ever by a good margin. I don't see the Bulls having enough offense to put up points.

Even if GS take threes in accordance to the league level at 92, they'll still put the most threes from any team then and will likely be efficient at doing so.

I think the Bulls defense can slow down GS at times, but 4 out of 7 times? Not sure they can. I think the 92 or 96 team could beat the 2018 Warriors(who decline from their 2017 counterpart).

The 2017 Warriors are just a different animal. They were on fire in the playoffs and it took an extraordinary offensive performance from the Cavs in game 4 for them to even lose a game. They have homecourt as well. They have better bench options and KD provides a problem for the Bulls defensively.

I think they can win some games when the Warriors get sloppy on offense and the threes don't fall + Jordan going nuclear a game or two. But 4 out of 7 is a tough ask and I can't see it.

I'll vote Warriors in 6/7.

JordansBulls · Post #28 » by **JordansBulls** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:46 am

Very difficult for me to think a team without a top 10 player all time to actually beat all time great teams that do have top 10 all time greats all time especially using rules from other eras.

WestGOAT · Post #29 » by **WestGOAT** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:13 am

Serious doubts about how well Durant would do in this series considering how much trouble he has with the likes of Beverley and smaller players guarding him in the post-season. Guy is a mental midget, and would be even more so in the 1990's.

LA Bird · Post #30 » by **LA Bird** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:18 pm

The 92 Bulls had less talent overall and were less dominant in both the regular season and playoffs. Physical defense is the go-to argument for older teams but how big of a deal is it when league average points was the same in both years? Curry getting stopped by 'handcheck' doesn't seem particularly likely given Price's performance in the ECF. 96/97 Bulls would be a much stronger challenger with their superior depth especially with Harper's defense.

Vote: 17 Warriors

OdomFan · Post #31 » by **OdomFan** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:42 pm

I don't think it would easy for any of the teams. If the Bulls can steal a game on the Road they got it, if the Warriors can steal a game on the road they got it. It would come down to not only talent, but who wants it more between the two during each game of the series. I say Bulls in 6.

Post #32 » by **penbeast0** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:14 pm

I currently have it 10-2 for the Warriors.

Warriors: LA Bird, Eddie JukeZ, twolves97, Samurai, Jiminy Glick, pandrake 83, trex_8063, NBAAllDay, SpreeS, iggymcfrack

Bulls: OdomFan, JordansBulls

Johnny Firpo · Post #33 » by **Johnny Firpo** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:32 am

JordansBulls wrote:Just remember the Spurs blew out the Warriors twice that year by 20+ and was up 25 in game 1 of the WCF until Kawhi got injured. Spurs in no way shape or form as finesse as the Bulls were and were dominating the Warriors for the most part.

That's a terrible argument. It bleeds from so many open wounds that it does not even warrant a serious discussion.

KobesScarf · Post #34 » by **KobesScarf** » Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:04 am

91 Bulls are better than 92 Bulls

Post #35 » by **penbeast0** » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:26 pm

KobesScarf wrote:91 Bulls are better than 92 Bulls

So as to limit my personal prejudices as much as possible, I used SRS to determine the best teams.

KobesScarf · Post #36 » by **KobesScarf** » Fri Apr 19, 2019 2:27 pm

penbeast0 wrote:
KobesScarf wrote:91 Bulls are better than 92 Bulls

So as to limit my personal prejudices as much as possible, I used SRS to determine the best teams.

Oh ok

tihsad · Post #37 » by **tihsad** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 2:11 am

Eddy_JukeZ wrote:I think the 92 Bulls are Jordan's best team as I stated, but I think 96 would match-up better vs GS.

I think Jordan would literally need to have not just the best series ever, but the best series ever by a good margin. I don't see the Bulls having enough offense to put up points.

Even if GS take threes in accordance to the league level at 92, they'll still put the most threes from any team then and will likely be efficient at doing so.

I think the Bulls defense can slow down GS at times, but 4 out of 7 times? Not sure they can. I think the 92 or 96 team could beat the 2018 Warriors(who decline from their 2017 counterpart).

The 2017 Warriors are just a different animal. They were on fire in the playoffs and it took an extraordinary offensive performance from the Cavs in game 4 for them to even lose a game. They have homecourt as well. They have better bench options and KD provides a problem for the Bulls defensively.

I think they can win some games when the Warriors get sloppy on offense and the threes don't fall + Jordan going nuclear a game or two. But 4 out of 7 is a tough ask and I can't see it.

I'll vote Warriors in 6/7.

I second this. I also in many ways think the 92' team was the J-Bulls best incarnation - but they didn't show up in the PS in a manner their RS play indicated (my similar criticism with the 08' Celts). This was Jordan, Pip, and Grant in probably their best combined year. Yes, I do understand the types of teams they had to play through in the East, but no, they had no business being taken to 7 by the Knicks (the rest of their EC performance wasn't stellar either relative to expectations). As mentioned, this is still MJ at the peak of his powers, but the demand on O and D would be too much. Yes, Pippen would do admirably on Durant (with HG), but still just not enough O (I think HG, whom I like, is overrated in this season). The lack of defensive presence outside the big 3, and overall offense, wouldn't allow the 92 team to keep up with a very, very stacked Warriors team (96' may be a different take). Dubs in 6.

ShotCreator · Post #38 » by **ShotCreator** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 5:45 am

Johnny Firpo wrote:
JordansBulls wrote:Just remember the Spurs blew out the Warriors twice that year by 20+ and was up 25 in game 1 of the WCF until Kawhi got injured. Spurs in no way shape or form as finesse as the Bulls were and were dominating the Warriors for the most part.

That's a terrible argument. It bleeds from so many open wounds that it does not even warrant a serious discussion.

A truly bad argument really is unbeatable because there’s just this, “where do I even begin” aspect to it.

JordansBulls · Post #39 » by **JordansBulls** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 3:49 am

Like I mentioned before, had Kawhi not gotten injured Spurs vs Warriors go 7 that year. Now put the Warriors against another champion and they lose.

Colbinii · Post #40 » by **Colbinii** » Sat Jun 8, 2019 4:04 am

JordansBulls wrote:Like I mentioned before, had Kawhi not gotten injured Spurs vs Warriors go 7 that year. Now put the Warriors against another champion and they lose.

You should mention something about the 1995 Bulls and how that means that the 1992 Bulls would be worse.