2019 Draft Thread

Badgerlander · Post #661 » by **Badgerlander** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:29 pm

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Ron Swanson · Post #662 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:56 pm

Kind of a weird article. Basically, "every kind of player (traditional centers, 3&D wings, injury-prone stars) outside of durable superstars and unicorn centers tends to have a negative corollary RS to Postseason value impact. I mean.....yeah. Role players and non-dynamic offensive players in general aren't consistent enough to be reliable postseason contributors, which is why talent always wins in the NBA. You should always be looking at guys whose games translate well against postseason defenses. That just becomes much harder the later you get in the draft.

LuessiT · Post #663 » by **LuessiT** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 5:12 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Kind of a weird article. Basically, "every kind of player (traditional centers, 3&D wings, injury-prone stars) outside of durable superstars and unicorn centers tends to have a negative corollary RS to Postseason value impact. I mean.....yeah. Role players and non-dynamic offensive players in general aren't consistent enough to be reliable postseason contributors, which is why talent always wins in the NBA. You should always be looking at guys whose games translate well against postseason defenses. That just becomes much harder the later you get in the draft.

That's not what the article says at all. The article is about players with exploitable weaknesses having a shrinking postseason value. Role players are fine in the post season.
Sadly the article doesn't touch enough on what the author wants to get at, namely projecting the difference in regular and post season value on potential draftees. My stance is that I'd care mostly about RS value because that translates better to trade value. You can identify players that tend to do well in the post season at a later stage and trade for them.

Badgerlander · Post #664 » by **Badgerlander** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:03 pm

Definitely peaked my interest in DaQuan Jeffries. Need to look at more Sandy Cohen too.

Ron Swanson · Post #665 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:48 pm

LuessiT wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Kind of a weird article. Basically, "every kind of player (traditional centers, 3&D wings, injury-prone stars) outside of durable superstars and unicorn centers tends to have a negative corollary RS to Postseason value impact. I mean.....yeah. Role players and non-dynamic offensive players in general aren't consistent enough to be reliable postseason contributors, which is why talent always wins in the NBA. You should always be looking at guys whose games translate well against postseason defenses. That just becomes much harder the later you get in the draft.

That's not what the article says at all. The article is about players with exploitable weaknesses having a shrinking postseason value. Role players are fine in the post season.
Sadly the article doesn't touch enough on what the author wants to get at, namely projecting the difference in regular and post season value on potential draftees. My stance is that I'd care mostly about RS value because that translates better to trade value. You can identify players that tend to do well in the post season at a later stage and trade for them.

Except that he lists off all the types of role-players whose value tends to drop off in the postseason (stationary shooters, defensive specialists who can't space, and bigs who can't guard in space). And that pretty much covers the majority of what people would consider "role-players". I liked the writeup on Jeffries and Bitadze, so it just seems like a weird point to try and tie-in. Could've basically summed it all up by simply saying more teams should be going position-less and those are the players you should be identifying (which I think is the crux of his argument).

emunney · Post #666 » by **emunney** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:14 pm

To me it read like a long justification to draft Jeffries. I've never seen him play but he looks the part.

Post #667 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:42 pm

Herro

"After exploring my options a little bit more and getting some immediate feedback, I've decided to remain in the draft. My hope was always to remain in the draft and begin my lifelong dream of playing in the NBA, but we wanted to be absolutely certain that taking that next step was in my best interests. After the information my family and I received, I believe that time is now and I'm ready to jump into that next stage of my life with both feet.

mattg · Post #668 » by **mattg** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:49 pm

Got a promise and a Maserati.

emunney · Post #669 » by **emunney** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 8:54 pm

Good for him. I think he's a quality prospect. One of a handful of guards who I think has a reasonably good shot at becoming a starter down the road.

emunney · Post #670 » by **emunney** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:00 pm

Watch on YouTube

Ron Swanson · Post #671 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:22 pm

So is it assumed that he's not declaring this year? Haven't seen him listed in many mocks but I'd imagine he wouldn't make it out of the Toop-20 if he did.

LuessiT · Post #672 » by **LuessiT** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:41 pm

I don't see it. He can't defend 5's, doesn't rebound, can't shoot well enough to be a stretch 4, doesn't really protect the rim at a high enough level and he's just not that productive to take a leap of faith for me. I can see why one would think differently, though.

emunney · Post #673 » by **emunney** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:49 pm

LuessiT wrote:I don't see it. He can't defend 5's, doesn't rebound, can't shoot well enough to be a stretch 4, doesn't really protect the rim at a high enough level and he's just not that productive to take a leap of faith for me. I can see why one would think differently, though.

What?

buckboy · Post #674 » by **buckboy** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:59 pm

I just can't believe Guy would even be drafted. I'd be curious to hear others' thoughts. I may be all wet.

Moved this from the Marquette thread. Thoughts? I haven't seen him on any mock drafts, but I don't really know which ones are reliable.

mattg · Post #675 » by **mattg** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:13 pm

LuessiT wrote:I don't see it. He can't defend 5's, doesn't rebound, can't shoot well enough to be a stretch 4, doesn't really protect the rim at a high enough level and he's just not that productive to take a leap of faith for me. I can see why one would think differently, though.

Who are you watching play?

And Kyle guy is just getting feedback on what he needs to improve upon for next year. He’s gonna be told to prove he can run the point.

RiotPunch · Post #676 » by **RiotPunch** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:02 pm

LuessiT wrote:I don't see it. He can't defend 5's, doesn't rebound, can't shoot well enough to be a stretch 4, doesn't really protect the rim at a high enough level and he's just not that productive to take a leap of faith for me. I can see why one would think differently, though.

You can't be talking about Kabengele, right?

LuessiT · Post #677 » by **LuessiT** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:21 pm

RiotPunch wrote:
LuessiT wrote:I don't see it. He can't defend 5's, doesn't rebound, can't shoot well enough to be a stretch 4, doesn't really protect the rim at a high enough level and he's just not that productive to take a leap of faith for me. I can see why one would think differently, though.

You can't be talking about Kabengele, right?

I'm wondering myself. Yeah I've mixed him up but with whom? I honestly don't know.

buckboy · Post #678 » by **buckboy** » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:58 pm

mattg wrote:
LuessiT wrote:I don't see it. He can't defend 5's, doesn't rebound, can't shoot well enough to be a stretch 4, doesn't really protect the rim at a high enough level and he's just not that productive to take a leap of faith for me. I can see why one would think differently, though.

Who are you watching play?

And Kyle guy is just getting feedback on what he needs to improve upon for next year. He’s gonna be told to prove he can run the point.

That's what I figured and that's what I'd tell him.

Badgerlander · Post #679 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:47 am

From just the little I saw of Guy in the tourney I really like him. Has to be able to defend PGs, curious to see how he measures out and his athletic numbers but could surprise some people

RiotPunch · Post #680 » by **RiotPunch** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:57 am

Badgerlander wrote:From just the little I saw of Guy in the tourney I really like him. Has to be able to defend PGs, curious to see how he measures out and his athletic numbers but could surprise some people

Gotta love his stroke and his proven clutch-ness, but Kyle is not draftable this year, imo.

He's got a great chance to seize the opportunity of leading a Cavalier team sans Hunter/Jerome. If he can hit the weights HARD and showcase some point skills next season, he could elevate himself into late 1st consideration. He and Diakite can help each other out a lot next year by mastering the P&R game together.