Around the League Discussion - 2018-2019 (Playoffs)

[XtremeDunkz]

Watching the Clippers play the Warriors and I'm so glad we don't have Wilson Chandler still on the team... Yeesh.

Shamet though....not doing anything amazing out there but solid on both ends.

[PLO]

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[Wilfried]

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I really like this kid

[Kobblehead]

If Gallinari wasn't perpetually injured over his career, do we think he'd have been a multiple time all-star by now? At his peak form, he easily looks like a 3rd guy on a championship team.

[the_process]

Why Shamet was in the Harris deal is inexplicable. But there was so many things wrong with that deal. Just awful GM'ing by the Noob.

Anyway... how about GSW blowing a 30 point lead?

[Kobblehead]

Shamet was the actual player centerpiece of the deal, it's not like he's a guy we offered as a throw in, unsolicited.

And are you banking on Shamet rising above just being role player with covetable brain and shooting? I think we're going overboard with the Shamet regret.

[BullyKing]

Shamet was the actual player centerpiece of the deal, it's not like he's a guy we offered as a throw in, unsolicited.

And are you banking on Shamet rising above just being role player with covetable brain and shooting? I think we're going overboard with the Shamet regret.

That's my feeling as well. I think people are really underestimating the difference in defense between Shamet and Harris and the latter's creation ability. I don't think the cost of the MIA first for upgrading from Shamet to Harris is unreasonable. Figure the two seconds cover Boban and Scott. So we likely overpaid at the cost of the 27th pick in the 2020 draft. Not something to lose sleep over.

[Kobblehead]

The Warriors are definitely ripe for getting conquered this year. There's too many bad characters and their 1A player is openly exiting the franchise.

I just don't know if the West has anyone good enough to take them out. People overrate how "great" the West is. I think there are more teams in the East that can threaten the Warriors (Bucks, Sixers, Raptors, Celtics) in a series than there are in the West (Rockets, maybe Blazers, maybe Thunder).

[the_process]

I expect Shamet to be as good as 2017-18 JJ Redick before his rookie contract ends, with room for improvement over that. And I think people are overrating Harris. Considering he was expiring, the Clippers didn't want him back at anything over 4-80, and they were trying to clear cap for two max slots... I'd say that lotto protected 2020 1st plus the expirings were enough for Harris. I'd also add the Clippers have been better without Tobias. Granted, that has to do with the absolute fluke that is Gallinari going the whole year without getting hurt, but still.

[Negrodamus]

The Warriors blowing a 30+ point lead to the Clippers really puts our first loss in perspective.

[Kobblehead]

I expect Shamet to be as good as 2017-18 JJ Redick before his rookie contract ends, with room for improvement over that. And I think people are overrating Harris. Considering he was expiring, the Clippers didn't want him back at anything over 4-80, and they were trying to clear cap for two max slots... I'd say that lotto protected 2020 1st plus the expirings were enough for Harris. I'd also add the Clippers have been better without Tobias. Granted, that has to do with the absolute fluke that is Gallinari going the whole year without getting hurt, but still.

You can say we should have demanded to keep Shamet out of the deal. We can also say we should have demanded for Terrence Ross to be included in the Orlando deal. We don't know how the conversations went.

You really would walk away from a deal for Harris over the Clippers demanding the inclusion of Landry Shamet, though?

[Negrodamus]

Cousins tore his left quad. That really sucks.

[the_process]

I expect Shamet to be as good as 2017-18 JJ Redick before his rookie contract ends, with room for improvement over that. And I think people are overrating Harris. Considering he was expiring, the Clippers didn't want him back at anything over 4-80, and they were trying to clear cap for two max slots... I'd say that lotto protected 2020 1st plus the expirings were enough for Harris. I'd also add the Clippers have been better without Tobias. Granted, that has to do with the absolute fluke that is Gallinari going the whole year without getting hurt, but still.

You can say we should have demanded to keep Shamet out of the deal. We can also say we should have demanded for Terrence Ross to be included in the Orlando deal. We don't know how the conversations went.

You really would walk away from a deal for Harris over the Clippers demanding the inclusion of Landry Shamet, though?

I feel the Magic deal and Clipper deal are different. In that Orlando probably walks if you demand Ross instead of J.Simmons because they were trying to walk the tightrope of getting a possible PGOTF while also trying to make the playoffs. The Clippers, on the other hand, clearly wanted to get something for Harris and retool for next season and go after 2 big name FA. The fact the Clips actually improved and made the playoffs was just gravy for them.

As to your question, if they demanded Shamet then I would've demanded Beverley. And if that breaks the whole thing down then so be it.

[Kobblehead]

Cousins tore his left quad. That really sucks.

I wonder if that's it for Cousins being a star player.

[ProcessDoctor]

MCW looks like he shouldn’t be on the court.

Still can’t believe how Hinkie had the foresight and courage to get rid of him so early on.

[VDT]

Magic are impotent offensively but still Toronto's defense is filthy good at times.

[BullyKing]

I expect Shamet to be as good as 2017-18 JJ Redick before his rookie contract ends, with room for improvement over that. And I think people are overrating Harris. Considering he was expiring, the Clippers didn't want him back at anything over 4-80, and they were trying to clear cap for two max slots... I'd say that lotto protected 2020 1st plus the expirings were enough for Harris. I'd also add the Clippers have been better without Tobias. Granted, that has to do with the absolute fluke that is Gallinari going the whole year without getting hurt, but still.

You can say we should have demanded to keep Shamet out of the deal. We can also say we should have demanded for Terrence Ross to be included in the Orlando deal. We don't know how the conversations went.

You really would walk away from a deal for Harris over the Clippers demanding the inclusion of Landry Shamet, though?

I can't imagine he would have walked away over Shamet's inclusion:

Hope fultz plays starting pg.

Fultz / Smith / Shamet / Simmons / Embiid

Shamet is not an NBA starter, nor is he ever likely to be IMO. Plug Cov in there (or Kawhi?) and it gets much more interesting.

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For what? Cash again? Sell Shamet instead!!!

Brett is too worried about coachability. They’d better have a Bayless dump trade that involves Shamet.

[the_process]

I expect Shamet to be as good as 2017-18 JJ Redick before his rookie contract ends, with room for improvement over that. And I think people are overrating Harris. Considering he was expiring, the Clippers didn't want him back at anything over 4-80, and they were trying to clear cap for two max slots... I'd say that lotto protected 2020 1st plus the expirings were enough for Harris. I'd also add the Clippers have been better without Tobias. Granted, that has to do with the absolute fluke that is Gallinari going the whole year without getting hurt, but still.

You can say we should have demanded to keep Shamet out of the deal. We can also say we should have demanded for Terrence Ross to be included in the Orlando deal. We don't know how the conversations went.

You really would walk away from a deal for Harris over the Clippers demanding the inclusion of Landry Shamet, though?

I can't imagine he would have walked away over Shamet's inclusion:

Hope fultz plays starting pg.

Fultz / Smith / Shamet / Simmons / Embiid

Shamet is not an NBA starter, nor is he ever likely to be IMO. Plug Cov in there (or Kawhi?) and it gets much more interesting.

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For what? Cash again? Sell Shamet instead!!!

Brett is too worried about coachability. They’d better have a Bayless dump
trade that involves Shamet.

There you go, being a you again. And you is a euphemism. Dig up some 2010 takes, why don't you? I'm sure you have them ready to go considering this is the 2nd time already and seemingly obsessed.

[Negrodamus]

Toronto might have some issues against us without OG Anunoby. He's the perfect kind of defender against our team: large enough to be an adequate defender against center but agile enough to stick with wings, especially larger ones. The problem will be they have enough quality bodies to throw at Embiid.

[Negrodamus]

Man, it sucks for the Nuggets to have to face an underdog Popovich team in the first round. They're still a young team and are ripe for let down, especially against a great coach.