Playoffs G3: Toronto Raptors (2) @ Orlando Magic (7) - A Reptile Dysfunction

basketballRob · Post #781 » by **basketballRob** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:44 am

The regular Fournier defenders will be back tomorrow.

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thelead · Post #782 » by **thelead** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:44 am

penny_nz wrote:This series is just cementing for me you build around AG and Isaac. I just love what they bring, but you need playmaking and shooting at the 1 and 2. I've been done with Fournier for a while, but the combination of his shooting, 'buddy ball' offense and just flat out TERRIBLE defense ... it's a killer

Yup. Like I said earlier, I’m at peace with our young core of Bamba/AG/Isaac/Fultz and keeping Ross, Birch and possibly Briscoe and Iwundu.

SHAQ32 · Post #783 » by **SHAQ32** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:44 am

fendilim wrote:Who you gonna give the ball to create though if its not DJ, Vuc or Fournier?

Uhh AG? We had the most success running the offense thru him.

Post #784 » by **SOUL** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:45 am

FFBlitzace wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Eveeyone complaining about Nic when Isaac has been Siakams bitch all series.

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i know you have to defend your boy, but this comment really doesn't hold up to much scrutiny.

Imagine being that wrong and watching these games.

I mean, it's one thing to say that Isaac's offense still isn't there yet, and compared to Siakam, still looks quite rudimentary. Sure.

Isaac is working his ass off on defense versus Siakam and others. Don't insult my eyes by trying to say otherwise.

swarlesbarkley · Post #785 » by **swarlesbarkley** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:45 am

Seriously, how hard is it to force Siakam to the left? His only moves are to the right.

fklt · Post #786 » by **fklt** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:45 am

funny thing is I thought we played the better game through out, had no idea where that 17 point run from toronto came from. we had the momentum and things were clicking offensively. a couple calls going our way, we win this one despite shooting 36%.

won't blame clifford for the risk he took going for spacing instead of isaac's defense at the 4 as it almost worked out. this one's on fournier. unacceptable performance.

pepe1991 · Post #787 » by **pepe1991** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:45 am

You can't have succesful playoff team with Gordon and Isaac sharing the floor in SL , with Iwundu and MCW being your bench and with Evan and DJ being starters.

Over years Gordon , Vuc and Ross are only player you could stick on serious team and give them serious PT.
I don't see Evan or Isaac being starters on many other playoff teams. ( when i think about ,they would not start on any other )
Dj would not start on any other playoff team ,that's just fact.
Iwundu and MCw are fringe nba players. MCw isn't even that.

GameOver25 · Post #788 » by **GameOver25** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:45 am

Bensational wrote:Isaac was shooting and defending well tonight. He really should have been on the court to close the game out. Evan was a proven liability through 3 quarters but he gets to vote of confidence from Cliff down the stretch because... I don't know.

It's embarrassing. Oh I know why, it's because he shows fire. Coaches love players with "fire", even if it comes at the expense of awful shooting and blow-bys on defense.

Post #789 » by **Bensational** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:46 am

pepe1991 wrote:
Bensational wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:

All i'm saying is that it's clear as a day that Gordon and Isaac aren't best fits next to each other.
But we all knew that year and half ago.
As for keeping Leonard off, up until tonight he averaged 31 ppg on 64% FG in first two.... Now we finally decided to double team him

Don't be daft. You saw the last game. Nobody was stopping Kawhi that night. Gordon hasn't given him many easy buckets all series.

Isaac and Gordon are great fits next to each other. Vuc, Fournier and DJ aren't cut out to carry a team over the top of that.

Vučević just comes off 22 points ,14 rebounds, 6 assist game. Is it his fault that Evan did nothing ,DJ looked like trash, Isaac is shooting 3-15 for 3 for playoffs, and Gordon was limited on 10 points?
46 out of 93 points were scored by Vuc and Ross, on 15-30 FG

Rest of a roster: 14-50, yet you cherry pick woh was good and who was not.

You picked wrong game to defend agendas.

Quick edit: Isaac is actually 3-17 for 3 in playoffs.

Vuc had 1 good quarter in this game. Don't try to pretend like he was playing well the other 3.

Btw, what's Vuc's numbers for the series? Why cherry pick his highlight night? What's his numbers for the series minus his 3rd quarter tonight?

You picked the wrong series to defend agendas. Nobody has played 'well' all series, but Gordon and Isaac are playing much closer to their expectations than Vuc and Fournier are.

CptCanada · Post #790 » by **CptCanada** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:46 am

FFBlitzace wrote:A lot of Raptors fans really seem to think the refs were against them in this game and all series long. i know we're all biased, but wow. Like the NBA wants the Magic to win? lol. Nobody cares about the Magic, even as an underdog story. Leonard as an individual is more compelling to casuals than the Magic team.

But anyway, Fournier can go to heck. 1-12 with multiple game losing defensive lapses. Give me a break. Actually, just give me an NBA caliber filler player at that position. Iwundu was 1-5 but I like his play a lot better.

What bothers me is that the NBA tries to control the narrative as best they can. Yes, I'm a Raptors fan and the refs did everything in their power to try and make the Magic win this game. While that is ridiculous in itself, just wait until the next game. I guarantee you that the refs will be giving the Raptors every call that they want. So if any Magic fan here says that the refs are favouring the Raptors next game I am 100% already with you. And that is absolutely ridiculous.

Post #791 » by **ChosenSavior** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:46 am

I also really hope we bring Briscoe back to this team in the offseason. While I like some of the things MCW has done, Briscoe looked like a much better player and can actually hit a jumper every once in a while.

nymets1 · Post #792 » by **nymets1** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:46 am

How do we rank our players in order? I'll go with my order of my list and I'm sure some one will disagree with at least one of them.

1.Isaac
2.Gordon
3.Bamba(when healthy of course)
4.Ross
5.Vuc

Than there's like a dropoff after Vuc

6.Augustin
7.Iwundu
8.Birch
9.MCW
10.Fultz(if he can start playing)
11.Fournier( Or am I just over reacting from tonight's game?)

basketballRob · Post #793 » by **basketballRob** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:47 am

pepe1991 wrote:You can't have succesful playoff team with Gordon and Isaac sharing the floor in SL , with Iwundu and MCW being your bench and with Evan and DJ being starters.

Over years Gordon , Vuc and Ross are only player you could stick on serious team and give them serious PT.
I don't see Evan or Isaac being starters on many other playoff teams.
Dj would not start on any other playoff team ,that's just fact.
Iwundu and MCw are fringe nba players. MCw isn't even that.

Isaac barely has facial hair. He's going to be our best player soon.

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Audi · Post #794 » by **Audi** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:47 am

pepe1991 wrote:
Bensational wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:

All i'm saying is that it's clear as a day that Gordon and Isaac aren't best fits next to each other.
But we all knew that year and half ago.
As for keeping Leonard off, up until tonight he averaged 31 ppg on 64% FG in first two.... Now we finally decided to double team him

Don't be daft. You saw the last game. Nobody was stopping Kawhi that night. Gordon hasn't given him many easy buckets all series.

Isaac and Gordon are great fits next to each other. Vuc, Fournier and DJ aren't cut out to carry a team over the top of that.

Vučević just comes off 22 points ,14 rebounds, 6 assist game. Is it his fault that Evan did nothing ,DJ looked like trash, Isaac is shooting 3-15 for 3 for playoffs, and Gordon was limited on 10 points?
46 out of 93 points were scored by Vuc and Ross, on 15-30 FG

Rest of a roster: 14-50, yet you cherry pick woh was good and who was not.

You picked wrong game to defend agendas.

Quick edit: Isaac is actually 3-17 for 3 in playoffs.

What’s your agenda, Pepe?

rcklsscognition · Post #795 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:47 am

Had to be Fournier's worst game of his entire career. Just disappointing as hell.

Post #796 » by **Knightro** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:47 am

Toronto is spectacular defensively, but man that was a very winnable basketball game despite the Magic's terrible shooting.

I'm just flabbergasted at how bad Fournier was. He was the worst player on the floor for either team and it wasn't even close.

fklt · Post #797 » by **fklt** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:48 am

CptCanada wrote:
What bothers me is that the NBA tries to control the narrative as best they can. Yes, I'm a Raptors fan and the refs did everything in their power to try and make the Magic win this game. While that is ridiculous in itself, just wait until the next game. I guarantee you that the refs will be giving the Raptors every call that they want. So if any Magic fan here says that the refs are favouring the Raptors next game I am 100% already with you. And that is absolutely ridiculous.

oh boy.

Post #798 » by **Bensational** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:48 am

SOUL wrote:
FFBlitzace wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Eveeyone complaining about Nic when Isaac has been Siakams bitch all series.

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i know you have to defend your boy, but this comment really doesn't hold up to much scrutiny.

Imagine being that wrong and watching these games.

I mean, it's one thing to say that Isaac's offense still isn't there yet, and compared to Siakam, still looks quite rudimentary. Sure.

Isaac is working his ass off on defense versus Siakam and others. Don't insult my eyes by trying to say otherwise.

Especially when you want to make a comment about a player being someone's bitch. Vuc has been cradling Gasol's balls and feeding him grapes all series.

basketballRob · Post #799 » by **basketballRob** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:48 am

rcklsscognition wrote:Had to be Fournier's worst game of his entire career. Just disappointing as hell.

Nah, he's had other players completely shut him down this year.

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pepe1991 · Post #800 » by **pepe1991** » Sat Apr 20, 2019 1:48 am

Bensational wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
Bensational wrote:
Don't be daft. You saw the last game. Nobody was stopping Kawhi that night. Gordon hasn't given him many easy buckets all series.

Isaac and Gordon are great fits next to each other. Vuc, Fournier and DJ aren't cut out to carry a team over the top of that.

Vučević just comes off 22 points ,14 rebounds, 6 assist game. Is it his fault that Evan did nothing ,DJ looked like trash, Isaac is shooting 3-15 for 3 for playoffs, and Gordon was limited on 10 points?
46 out of 93 points were scored by Vuc and Ross, on 15-30 FG

Rest of a roster: 14-50, yet you cherry pick woh was good and who was not.

You picked wrong game to defend agendas.

Quick edit: Isaac is actually 3-17 for 3 in playoffs.

Vuc had 1 good quarter in this game. Don't try to pretend like he was playing well the other 3.

Btw, what's Vuc's numbers for the series? Why cherry pick his highlight night? What's his numbers for the series minus his 3rd quarter tonight?

You picked the wrong series to defend agendas. Nobody has played 'well' all series, but Gordon and Isaac are playing much closer to their expectations than Vuc and Fournier are.

Stop shoving Evan in this, i could not care less about him. Was critical about him back in 2016 ,let alone today.
Vučević had one great quater where he was ONLY reason why team was in a game.
Overall during 2 out of 3 games he has been bad. That's not what i ever even tryed to defend.

Gordon is highest payed player on a roster ,you expect $20M player to have 10 points in pivotal playoff game but hold Vučević by Embiid/ Lebron expetations? Maybe you should re-evaluate your objectivity a bit?