Playoffs G3: Toronto Raptors (2) @ Orlando Magic (7) - A Reptile Dysfunction

[basketballRob]

Isaac cant defend Siakam. Hes getting worked.

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What was Isaac's plus minus in this game?

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[ORL_on_FIRE]

Props to the Magic board for not consistently talking trash about Toronto and their players.

[Rainwater]

And alternative is ?

Going from playoffs to deep lottery again? with old front office, older coach and still without cap space?

That is the deliemma this offseason. You have to make a chose. Would you rather be a borderline playoff team for the next four years by resigning Vuc and Ross and hope, somehow, you find 2 stars to be an actual contender or would rather rebuild, go to the lottery and attempt to build a proper team. I am going with the former.

There’s a reason we hired Weltman. And why weltman kept repeating when he was hired about the Raptors’ success. Not tanking. They were supposed to blow it up, but things suddenly fell into place and starter clicking. Seems to me we wont be blowing it up and keep trying.

There’s a lot of financial gain involved in making the playoffs even if you’re just a pretender. At the end of the day, the NBA is a business.

The thing is that even if the magic do resign Vuc and Ross they are still not a lock to be a playoff team every year they are a borderline. Char or Miami could have easily made the playoffs and replace the magic. It would be terrible to pay Vuc and Ross and not make the playoffs.

[SHFT]

You guys are a tough go....legit 2nd round opponent. Regarding the fouls...for me its not the disparity in calls...its in the free throws. You guys will obv disagree but a couple of times I feel Lowry was in the act and its called on the floor. But a few times I thought we fouled you guys and no call so what can you do.

Anyways...we had a few chances to ice this game with around 5 mins left and couldn't do it so its on us for letting it get that close.

I said it before the series...Isaac is DPOY potential REAL SOON. He is by far my fav player on your team. I was talking to my buddy and we are going to put money on it before next season starts.

I wasnt feeling OT. I hope you blame DJ for that loss...wasnt even like Lowry hunted that ball down as soon as Kawhi shot it...DJ was napping.

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I think officiating has gone too far in the other direction with the non-shooting foul thing. I love calling it non-shooting out on the perimeter on nonsense plays where the ballhandler just flails and wants 3 shots. But drives to the basket now are getting called non-shooting a lot when it really should be a shooting foul.

I agree...Im thinking Lowry isnt getting any of these calls is because he has a big rep for baiting officials into those calls on the permiter. Before they changed that rule he would feast on it.

I think refs review notes on stuff like that so they probably give him 0 benefit of the doubt.

Also....why in the **** was Fournier on Siakim for so long???? I feel your pain, Casey had CJ Miles guarding Kevin Love for stretches against 1 of our series vs CLE and the result was the exact same.

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[MagicStarwipe]

Isaac cant defend Siakam. Hes getting worked.

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What was Isaac's plus minus in this game?

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What's Siakam's FG% with JI guarding him?

Don't worry about these biased posters. They deflect more than Isaac on defense

[VFX]

That is the deliemma this offseason. You have to make a chose. Would you rather be a borderline playoff team for the next four years by resigning Vuc and Ross and hope, somehow, you find 2 stars to be an actual contender or would rather rebuild, go to the lottery and attempt to build a proper team. I am going with the former.

There’s a reason we hired Weltman. And why weltman kept repeating when he was hired about the Raptors’ success. Not tanking. They were supposed to blow it up, but things suddenly fell into place and starter clicking. Seems to me we wont be blowing it up and keep trying.

There’s a lot of financial gain involved in making the playoffs even if you’re just a pretender. At the end of the day, the NBA is a business.

The thing is that even if the magic do resign Vuc and Ross they are still not a lock to be a playoff team every year they are a borderline. Char or Miami could have easily made the playoffs and replace the magic. It would be terrible to pay Vuc and Ross and not make the playoffs.

Yeah, we’d be Detroit paying Griffin, Jackson, and Drummond. First round exit and no clear way to get better with devaluing assets. Pass.

[Last Guardian]

Isaac cant defend Siakam. Hes getting worked.

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I've heard some bad basketball opinions but this one takes the cake. His % against Isaac is awful. Learn basketball buddy.

[tiderulz]

Great game Magic fans. I like some of your guys alot. Hopefully your management team isn't short sighted this summer. You guys should let Vuc walk. No more than a three year deal for Ross at similar money. I'm really glad you guys don't have a real starting point guard or it would be trouble. Anyway let Vuc walk, play Gordon at the 5 and get a real starting point guard and you're just as good or better next year with players that have room to improve.

Gordon would get destroyed every night playing at the 5

[FFBlitzace]

Props to the Magic board for not consistently talking trash about Toronto and their players.

They're a good team, so there's really no trash to talk. I don't think Powell or FVV are very good compared to what the general perception of them seems to be, but that's minor. I get mad whenever Ibaka makes a shot, but that's just because I felt like he didn't want to be here. And he seems to be involved in a disproportionate amount of incidents involving thrown punches, so that's something.

[MagicStarwipe]

Also, AG is stupidly under appreciated here. So much focus on the things he can't do and ignoring everything he does do. He looks like the smartest passer on the team right now.

[ORL_on_FIRE]

Props to the Magic board for not consistently talking trash about Toronto and their players.

They're a good team, so there's really no trash to talk. I don't think Powell or FVV are very good compared to what the general perception of them seems to be, but that's minor. I get mad whenever Ibaka makes a shot, but that's just because I felt like he didn't want to be here. And he seems to be involved in a disproportionate amount of incidents involving thrown punches, so that's something.

Hey some folks will find anything to talk trash about.

[SOUL]

I asked Raps fans if "Isaac is getting torched by Siakam" in the GB thread, read the replies:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1828534&start=1000

[Rainwater]

There’s a reason we hired Weltman. And why weltman kept repeating when he was hired about the Raptors’ success. Not tanking. They were supposed to blow it up, but things suddenly fell into place and starter clicking. Seems to me we wont be blowing it up and keep trying.

There’s a lot of financial gain involved in making the playoffs even if you’re just a pretender. At the end of the day, the NBA is a business.

The thing is that even if the magic do resign Vuc and Ross they are still not a lock to be a playoff team every year they are a borderline. Char or Miami could have easily made the playoffs and replace the magic. It would be terrible to pay Vuc and Ross and not make the playoffs.

Yeah, we’d be Detroit paying Griffin, Jackson, and Drummond. First round exit and no clear way to get better with devaluing assets. Pass.

Truth. In that Detroit, Miami, Char, Brooklyn, Washington tier.

[fendilim]

That is the deliemma this offseason. You have to make a chose. Would you rather be a borderline playoff team for the next four years by resigning Vuc and Ross and hope, somehow, you find 2 stars to be an actual contender or would rather rebuild, go to the lottery and attempt to build a proper team. I am going with the former.

There’s a reason we hired Weltman. And why weltman kept repeating when he was hired about the Raptors’ success. Not tanking. They were supposed to blow it up, but things suddenly fell into place and starter clicking. Seems to me we wont be blowing it up and keep trying.

There’s a lot of financial gain involved in making the playoffs even if you’re just a pretender. At the end of the day, the NBA is a business.

The thing is that even if the magic do resign Vuc and Ross they are still not a lock to be a playoff team every year they are a borderline. Char or Miami could have easily made the playoffs and replace the magic. It would be terrible to pay Vuc and Ross and not make the playoffs.

True. But the Raptors werent really a lock to make the playoffs during their first run at it. They made a td trade that traded away rudy Gay, and made the playoffs. We can say the same for this team, arent we like top 3 in net rating since Allstar break?

As for the Fournier and Isaac rotation. We can keep put all defenders on the floor, but if we’re down by 10 and cant score it wont make a difference. Fournier has been a better offensive player than Isaac especially towards the end of the season. Clifford just had to stick whats been working for him all season. Tbh, I’d love to see a lineup of Ross, Fournier, Isaac, Gordon and Vuc. Ross is quick enough to defend point guards and fournier can defend the two. Its not like dj is doing anything good tonight anyway. With the offense being systematic, i think it has the chance of working.

[VFX]

I asked Raps fans if "Isaac is getting torched by Siakam" in the GB thread, read the replies:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1828534&start=1000

I will say one thing about this series... Isaac is a treasure. The most important part of our future should be emphasized by him. He’s proven in this series that he rises to the occasion. Now we just need to get him some damn help in the back court.

[PrimeThyme]

Fournier is a bum. Don't @ me

[Rainwater]

There’s a reason we hired Weltman. And why weltman kept repeating when he was hired about the Raptors’ success. Not tanking. They were supposed to blow it up, but things suddenly fell into place and starter clicking. Seems to me we wont be blowing it up and keep trying.

There’s a lot of financial gain involved in making the playoffs even if you’re just a pretender. At the end of the day, the NBA is a business.

The thing is that even if the magic do resign Vuc and Ross they are still not a lock to be a playoff team every year they are a borderline. Char or Miami could have easily made the playoffs and replace the magic. It would be terrible to pay Vuc and Ross and not make the playoffs.

True. But the Raptors werent really a lock to make the playoffs during their first run at it. They made a td trade that traded away rudy Gay, and made the playoffs. We can say the same for this team, arent we like top 3 in net rating since Allstar break?

As for the Fournier and Isaac rotation. We can keep put all defenders on the floor, but if we’re down by 10 and cant score it wont make a difference. Fournier has been a better offensive player than Isaac especially towards the end of the season. Clifford just had to stick whats been working for him all season. Tbh, I’d love to see a lineup of Ross, Fournier, Isaac, Gordon and Vuc. Ross is quick enough to defend point guards and fournier can defend the two. Its not like dj is doing anything good tonight anyway. With the offense being systematic, i think it has the chance of working.

I get what you are saying but what Happened to the Raptors is not the norm.

[VFX]

The thing is that even if the magic do resign Vuc and Ross they are still not a lock to be a playoff team every year they are a borderline. Char or Miami could have easily made the playoffs and replace the magic. It would be terrible to pay Vuc and Ross and not make the playoffs.

Yeah, we’d be Detroit paying Griffin, Jackson, and Drummond. First round exit and no clear way to get better with devaluing assets. Pass.

Truth. In that Detroit, Miami, Char, Brooklyn, Washington tier.

Brooklyn and Char actually have good wing and guard prospects though. They are built with depth and adopted modern basketball. Detroit and Washington are F’d because of their roster construction and bad contracts. Orlando will probably fall into the latter than the former if we start giving fringe allstars and 6th men big deals.

[PrimeThyme]

Can you really blame Cliff for overplaying Evan in this one?

When he turns to bench and he has to pick between Evan, MCW ,Grant, Frazier and Iwundu i bet he feels like this



Magic guard rotation is simply poor.

Yes I can, && will. DJ, Ross, Isaac, AG, Vuc should have been the lineup to end the game. Fournier was awful in every facet of the game. We probally get that rebound if Isaac was on the floor to end the game.

[swarlesbarkley]

Do we win this series if we swap Evan (plus fillers obviously) for Beal?

DJ
Beal
JI
AG
Vuc

And more importantly, would we then be a contender next year with:

Fultz
Beal
JI
AG
Vuc
?