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College/Draft #6 - NCAA Finals + Draft Leadup W/ Knicks In The Top Seed!!!

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Who do you take at 5???

Garland
27
33%
Reddish
22
27%
Clarke
3
4%
Hunter
13
16%
Hayes
0
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Coby
1
1%
Rui
3
4%
Romeo
2
2%
Bol
5
6%
Other
6
7%
 
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Post#621 » by robillionaire » Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:45 pm

If they get first and we get 2nd (or 3rd if Ja happens to fall there) maybe we can trade up pick swap for Zion and include next years pick top 6 protected like the mavs did with the hawks
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Post#622 » by BLACKFEET 2010 » Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:50 pm

Please don’t make the Suns passing on Zion a thing.
Won’t happen in a million years.
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Post#623 » by robillionaire » Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:53 pm

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:Please don’t make the Suns passing on Zion a thing.
Won’t happen in a million years.


It’s the suns. They passed up on good players for Ayton Jackson and bender. They need a PG. they would do this.
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Post#624 » by Tron Carter » Sat Apr 20, 2019 6:55 pm

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:Please don’t make the Suns passing on Zion a thing.
Won’t happen in a million years.


they passed on doncic for ayton bruh. don’t underestimate them :lol:
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Post#625 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:37 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:DX’s new mock has Brandon Clarke dropping to #14. I think it’s safe to say we won’t be targeting him

They also have Culver at #6 and Cam Reddish at #7. Was not expecting Cam to drop that far but I can’t blame them for putting him that low


TWolves should draft Brandon Clarke if they stay at 10. Nice fit with KAT.

Pelicans would have been a nice landing spot for Reddish if Tatum/Brown or Ingram/Kuzma would not find their way to NOLA in the offseason.

I just read this and they have Clarke at #10. I like the fit with KAT too.

I still think it's pretty crazy how after the top 3 of Zion, RJ, Ja the draft doesn't really seem to have a set order. Comparing this to DX, you can see some noticeable differences. Garland dropping to #6, Nas at #11 while DX has him at #17, Goga Bitadze making a major jump to #10, etc. Side note, I think Nas and Romeo Langford will be better in the NBA than in college. I would trade down for a package of both of them if we are at #2
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Post#626 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:47 pm

The Ringer has Garland as one of the biggest unknowns in the draft. Pretty much speaks my mind about him and why I am hesitant to take him in the top 5 although I suppose you can make a case for taking him up there because this draft is so weak. It's a major risk though and could back fire. If we were desperate for a point guard like the Bulls or Suns, then I would probably do it. I'll take my chances with DSJ for now or possibly Kyrie if he's coming here also.
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Post#627 » by Dantares » Sat Apr 20, 2019 9:45 pm

Garland is going to go high whether he deserves it or not because people slept on trae young last year and they dont want to make the same mistake again. Garland has the ability to stretch the floor like trae and his one on one moves he uses to set up his shot look better than trae young's. The way the league is trending is all about spacing. It doesn't hurt that garland has supreme handles and was the #1 pg coming out of high school.

It's like when porzingis killed it in his rookie year then everyone was like oh if you pass on a similar player in dragan bender then you will regret it.
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Post#628 » by Worst_to_First » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:06 pm

BLACKFEET 2010 wrote:Please don’t make the Suns passing on Zion a thing.
Won’t happen in a million years.


Yeah Zion will be Charles Barkley version 2.0 for them.
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Post#629 » by Tron Carter » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:18 pm

Dantares wrote:Garland is going to go high whether he deserves it or not because people slept on trae young last year and they dont want to make the same mistake again. Garland has the ability to stretch the floor like trae and his one on one moves he uses to set up his shot look better than trae young's. The way the league is trending is all about spacing. It doesn't hurt that garland has supreme handles and was the #1 pg coming out of high school.

It's like when porzingis killed it in his rookie year then everyone was like oh if you pass on a similar player in dragan bender then you will regret it.


except garland is good. but I get where you were going at :lol:

dude has pedigree going back to his hs days so he been on the scene. that matters. i’ve seen enough of him and enough of the other prospects to know I like him better then pretty much all of them outside zion. think his best attributes will project beautifully to the nba. not like there’s a franchise corner stone outside of zion in this draft so to me his risk isn’t any higher then anybody else in the top 5. unless you wanna count his injury against him which is fair. but it wasn’t a serious knee injury and I love his upside.
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Post#630 » by Worst_to_First » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:30 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:The Ringer has Garland as one of the biggest unknowns in the draft. Pretty much speaks my mind about him and why I am hesitant to take him in the top 5 although I suppose you can make a case for taking him up there because this draft is so weak. It's a major risk though and could back fire. If we were desperate for a point guard like the Bulls or Suns, then I would probably do it. I'll take my chances with DSJ for now or possibly Kyrie if he's coming here also.


Aside from Zion, I had been hoping we would have had a strong 3/D++ player in this draft that would have filled a hole in our roster.

That’s why I had been rooting for Cam Reddish to have done well as it was he whom I had seen glimpses of star potential. It was sad that he had been very disappointing but part of me does not want to give up on him.

DeAndre Hunter has been my guy as well. I see Khris Middleton in him but I don’t envision him as someone who can create his own shots off the dribble that would fully justify picking him in the Top 5.

Darius Garland I know we don’t share the same view on him but my approach here is that we can never have enough shooters on our team, especially one with his ability to both catch-and-shoot as well as get shots off the dribble.
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Post#631 » by 3toheadmelo » Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:53 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:The Ringer has Garland as one of the biggest unknowns in the draft. Pretty much speaks my mind about him and why I am hesitant to take him in the top 5 although I suppose you can make a case for taking him up there because this draft is so weak. It's a major risk though and could back fire. If we were desperate for a point guard like the Bulls or Suns, then I would probably do it. I'll take my chances with DSJ for now or possibly Kyrie if he's coming here also.


Aside from Zion, I had been hoping we would have had a strong 3/D++ player in this draft that would have filled a hole in our roster.

That’s why I had been rooting for Cam Reddish to have done well as it was he whom I had seen glimpses of star potential. It was sad that he had been very disappointing but part of me does not want to give up on him.

DeAndre Hunter has been my guy as well. I see Khris Middleton in him but I don’t envision him as someone who can create his own shots off the dribble that would fully justify picking him in the Top 5.

Darius Garland I know we don’t share the same view on him but my approach here is that we can never have enough shooters on our team, especially one with his ability to both catch-and-shoot as well as get shots off the dribble.

I really want the Knicks to take a deep look at Romeo Langford/Nas Little. Imo, their upside is just as high as anyone in the top 5 besides Zion. Nas might be that 3 and D guy that can create his own shot that you are talking about. Romeo another 3 and D guy who can create his own shot (although his jumper was not so good this year because of a thumb injury he played with all season long).

I hear you on Garland though. Like I've said before, I don't think he is a bad prospect. His handle is pretty impressive and his shot is nice. Just not sold on his playmaking/defense and how good he is against solid competition. I also think it's too soon to give up on DSJ. Or maybe a DSJ+Garland back court can work. Not sure.

If what Jonathan Wasserman is saying is true, it looks like Cam or Hunter is gonna be a Knick if we fall to #4-5. Hunter seems like a Trevor Ariza type player which can't be so bad. Cam is a tricky one but he has shown some flashes of star potential like you said.

I just hope we get Zion man. This draft is tricky af :lol:
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Post#632 » by Worst_to_First » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:02 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
Worst_to_First wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:The Ringer has Garland as one of the biggest unknowns in the draft. Pretty much speaks my mind about him and why I am hesitant to take him in the top 5 although I suppose you can make a case for taking him up there because this draft is so weak. It's a major risk though and could back fire. If we were desperate for a point guard like the Bulls or Suns, then I would probably do it. I'll take my chances with DSJ for now or possibly Kyrie if he's coming here also.


Aside from Zion, I had been hoping we would have had a strong 3/D++ player in this draft that would have filled a hole in our roster.

That’s why I had been rooting for Cam Reddish to have done well as it was he whom I had seen glimpses of star potential. It was sad that he had been very disappointing but part of me does not want to give up on him.

DeAndre Hunter has been my guy as well. I see Khris Middleton in him but I don’t envision him as someone who can create his own shots off the dribble that would fully justify picking him in the Top 5.

Darius Garland I know we don’t share the same view on him but my approach here is that we can never have enough shooters on our team, especially one with his ability to both catch-and-shoot as well as get shots off the dribble.

I really want the Knicks to take a deep look at Romeo Langford/Nas Little. Imo, their upside is just as high as anyone in the top 5 besides Zion. Nas might be that 3 and D guy that can create his own shot that you are talking about. Romeo another 3 and D guy who can create his own shot (although his jumper was not so good this year because of a thumb injury he played with all season long).

I hear you on Garland though. Like I've said before, I don't think he is a bad prospect. His handle is pretty impressive and his shot is nice. Just not sold on his playmaking/defense and how good he is against solid competition. I also think it's too soon to give up on DSJ. Or maybe a DSJ+Garland back court can work. Not sure.

If what Jonathan Wasserman is saying is true, it looks like Cam or Hunter is gonna be a Knick if we fall to #4-5. Hunter seems like a Trevor Ariza type player which can't be so bad. Cam is a tricky one but he has shown some flashes of star potential like you said.

I just hope we get Zion man. This draft is tricky af :lol:


Yes this draft is so tricky LOL.

I hear you on Nas. My worry is that he falls to the Celtics and Brad is able to fully unlock him especially if his wings Tatum and Brown get traded to NOLA.

As to Garland especially if we have to rev up the tank next season I can see him and DSJ sharing the backcourt with Frank at the 3 and Mitch at the 5 in order to cover for any defensive shortcomings.
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Post#633 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:39 am

Worst_to_First wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
Worst_to_First wrote:
Aside from Zion, I had been hoping we would have had a strong 3/D++ player in this draft that would have filled a hole in our roster.

That’s why I had been rooting for Cam Reddish to have done well as it was he whom I had seen glimpses of star potential. It was sad that he had been very disappointing but part of me does not want to give up on him.

DeAndre Hunter has been my guy as well. I see Khris Middleton in him but I don’t envision him as someone who can create his own shots off the dribble that would fully justify picking him in the Top 5.

Darius Garland I know we don’t share the same view on him but my approach here is that we can never have enough shooters on our team, especially one with his ability to both catch-and-shoot as well as get shots off the dribble.

I really want the Knicks to take a deep look at Romeo Langford/Nas Little. Imo, their upside is just as high as anyone in the top 5 besides Zion. Nas might be that 3 and D guy that can create his own shot that you are talking about. Romeo another 3 and D guy who can create his own shot (although his jumper was not so good this year because of a thumb injury he played with all season long).

I hear you on Garland though. Like I've said before, I don't think he is a bad prospect. His handle is pretty impressive and his shot is nice. Just not sold on his playmaking/defense and how good he is against solid competition. I also think it's too soon to give up on DSJ. Or maybe a DSJ+Garland back court can work. Not sure.

If what Jonathan Wasserman is saying is true, it looks like Cam or Hunter is gonna be a Knick if we fall to #4-5. Hunter seems like a Trevor Ariza type player which can't be so bad. Cam is a tricky one but he has shown some flashes of star potential like you said.

I just hope we get Zion man. This draft is tricky af :lol:


Yes this draft is so tricky LOL.

I hear you on Nas. My worry is that he falls to the Celtics and Brad is able to fully unlock him especially if his wings Tatum and Brown get traded to NOLA.

As to Garland especially if we have to rev up the tank next season I can see him and DSJ sharing the backcourt with Frank at the 3 and Mitch at the 5 in order to cover for any defensive shortcomings.

Ima be mad if they get Nas after they trade Tatum/Brown. Danny Ainge always on the come up..
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But yeah I guess a DSJ/Garland/Frank lineup could work to hold down the tank at least :D Wiseman is ours!
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Post#634 » by Juggynaut » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:45 am

Zion, Ja, RJ, Hunter, or Garland and I'm good.
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Post#635 » by kingquan316 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:06 am

Why does the NBA draft lotto happen like a whole month after the season ends? The NHL has their lotto like a day after their season end. Like all these teams outta the playoffs just have to suffer on their draft hopes for a month. Change it up Silver, and just have it like the NHL.
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Post#636 » by mpharris36 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:45 am

kingquan316 wrote:Why does the NBA draft lotto happen like a whole month after the season ends? The NHL has their lotto like a day after their season end. Like all these teams outta the playoffs just have to suffer on their draft hopes for a month. Change it up Silver, and just have it like the NHL.


just to drum up interest....NBA is a much more popular sport than the NHL so they want a big lead up.
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Post#637 » by Jay10 » Sun Apr 21, 2019 4:57 am

kingquan316 wrote:Why does the NBA draft lotto happen like a whole month after the season ends? The NHL has their lotto like a day after their season end. Like all these teams outta the playoffs just have to suffer on their draft hopes for a month. Change it up Silver, and just have it like the NHL.

They need a filler to get them to free agency.
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Post#638 » by Worst_to_First » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:18 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:
Worst_to_First wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:I really want the Knicks to take a deep look at Romeo Langford/Nas Little. Imo, their upside is just as high as anyone in the top 5 besides Zion. Nas might be that 3 and D guy that can create his own shot that you are talking about. Romeo another 3 and D guy who can create his own shot (although his jumper was not so good this year because of a thumb injury he played with all season long).

I hear you on Garland though. Like I've said before, I don't think he is a bad prospect. His handle is pretty impressive and his shot is nice. Just not sold on his playmaking/defense and how good he is against solid competition. I also think it's too soon to give up on DSJ. Or maybe a DSJ+Garland back court can work. Not sure.

If what Jonathan Wasserman is saying is true, it looks like Cam or Hunter is gonna be a Knick if we fall to #4-5. Hunter seems like a Trevor Ariza type player which can't be so bad. Cam is a tricky one but he has shown some flashes of star potential like you said.

I just hope we get Zion man. This draft is tricky af :lol:


Yes this draft is so tricky LOL.

I hear you on Nas. My worry is that he falls to the Celtics and Brad is able to fully unlock him especially if his wings Tatum and Brown get traded to NOLA.

As to Garland especially if we have to rev up the tank next season I can see him and DSJ sharing the backcourt with Frank at the 3 and Mitch at the 5 in order to cover for any defensive shortcomings.

Ima be mad if they get Nas after they trade Tatum/Brown. Danny Ainge always on the come up..
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But yeah I guess a DSJ/Garland/Frank lineup could work to hold down the tank at least :D Wiseman is ours!


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Nice showing as well from guys like Cole Anthony and Anthony Edwards.

Really wish that this was the draft class that we tanked for. Lots of gems here.
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Post#639 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:33 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:
Worst_to_First wrote:
Yes this draft is so tricky LOL.

I hear you on Nas. My worry is that he falls to the Celtics and Brad is able to fully unlock him especially if his wings Tatum and Brown get traded to NOLA.

As to Garland especially if we have to rev up the tank next season I can see him and DSJ sharing the backcourt with Frank at the 3 and Mitch at the 5 in order to cover for any defensive shortcomings.

Ima be mad if they get Nas after they trade Tatum/Brown. Danny Ainge always on the come up..
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But yeah I guess a DSJ/Garland/Frank lineup could work to hold down the tank at least :D Wiseman is ours!


Our guy James Wiseman continues to impress:



Nice showing as well from guys like Cole Anthony and Anthony Edwards.

Really wish that this was the draft class that we tanked for. Lots of gems here.

Wiseman looks like a unicorn. Dude was going coast to coast on some Giannis type sh*t :o

Next year's draft might be like last year's one, where you only need a top 4 pick to get a stud. Looks like Wiseman/Cole/Edwards are the real prizes so far. I was hoping that Wiseman reclassified so he can be in this year's draft :( He would be the clear #2 after Zion
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Post#640 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sun Apr 21, 2019 3:26 pm

kingquan316 wrote:Why does the NBA draft lotto happen like a whole month after the season ends? The NHL has their lotto like a day after their season end. Like all these teams outta the playoffs just have to suffer on their draft hopes for a month. Change it up Silver, and just have it like the NHL.


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