Ot - sorta. Who are the top 5, 10 and 20 players in the nba?

[NY 567]

1. Giannis
2. Harden
3. Durant
4. LeBron
5. Curry
6. George
7. Jokic
8. Kawhi
9. Embiid
10. Lillard
11. Paul
12. Gobert
13. Irving
14. Davis
15. Oladipo
16. Kemba
17. Beal
18. Butler
19. Klay
20. Vucevic

[br7knicks]

After this season, I feel even more strongly that it should be the 5 I picked, just a different order.

Davis
Kawhi
Giannis
KD
PG

Embiid
Oladipo
Curry
Lebron
Jokic

Will have to replace jokic and move Lillard up to 6. Damn

[br7knicks]

May even move Butler or Lillard up ahead of jokic and LeBron

[spree2kawhi]

I’m inclined to agree. I think what Draymond does for that team is understated in terms of freeing curry to play off the ball and not have to focus on distributing so much. With KD also able to easily make plays Curry is free to literally focus on scoring. He doesn’t have the burden of a Lebron, Giannis, KD, Harden, AD, Kawhi, Dame( off the top of my head) and probably more.


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This is not fair. He's shown enough, has carried them long enough, still does, clearly could carry much more and consequently I wouldn't trade him for any of those other players because he's that good. He's directly responsible for one of the greatest teams ever built and hasn't fallen off one bit. He was top 5 in scoring this year, basically tied with #3. I sound like a homer but this is insanely inaccurate imo. Where does the hate come from?

I'm not sure if someone who isn't sure whether Curry belongs in the top 10 anymore has really given this enough thought - to respectfully put it mildly.

curry is a winning player and plays the team game much better than some of the other candidates

but Id trade Curry for Gianias, for harden {actually I wouldn't because I hate Harden so wouldn't touch him}, AD, Lebron, KD, even Kawahi. Perhaps for Embid too. its not an obvious choice for any of those guys but I think each is a bigger impact player. Though GSW should never trade Curry for anyone clearly.

Id also wonder if at this point Curry is actually better than Kyrie or Lillard in all fairness.
Would Kyrie be just as impactful on the Warriors? Lillard?

I don't know man that really surprises me. I also really see it very differently. I look at Curry and how he effects the game with his curls and constant movement. When i look at any of the others, it's just not there.

Then I look at what he's achieved, what he's proven. Look, Draymond is a second round pick, a role player really. He is good. Middleton too. McCollum too. Tatum, Horford, Hayward too. Chris Paul... every player has some teammates. Curry went all the way. He's a champion. He makes his teammates better simply by being a threat. He's the best finisher and he doesn't hint at declining at all. I love Kawhi for his defense and demeanor, but he won't carry his very stacked team as far. I love Lillard, but off the ball he's not on his level. Even on the ball it's a stretch. Curry is a good finisher in the lane and a closer too. All your guys will be playoff exits again this year and they were before Durant joined GSW.

I don't know why you doubt him. More than anything, the others didn't prove themselves enough and won't this year. The warriors will win once more. Curry will threepeat.

I think your take is unfair. Don't overrate the others just because they're very good. T-Mac used to be crazy good to. But he's not on Curry's level.

[spree2kawhi]

1. Durant
2. Curry
3. Giannis
4. Kawhi
5. Harden (He's being overused to a fault)
6. AD
7. PG
8. LeBron
9. Dame
10. Klay

Next obviously Embiid, Kyrie, Westbrook, Oladipo, Kemba - maybe in that order.

Then we've got Jokic, Butler, Beal, Luka, Mitchell. Probably in that order too. Gobert next, but that's #21.

EDIT: The Warriors are by far the best team in the league again. They'll crush the other teams and Giannis the MVP too. I'll eat my words and reconsider if they don't - but they will. There's a reason for their dominance and you all can't sleep on any single one of their top players. Don't make that mistake.

[Knicksfan20]

Where is Melo?

[NoLayupRule]

This is not fair. He's shown enough, has carried them long enough, still does, clearly could carry much more and consequently I wouldn't trade him for any of those other players because he's that good. He's directly responsible for one of the greatest teams ever built and hasn't fallen off one bit. He was top 5 in scoring this year, basically tied with #3. I sound like a homer but this is insanely inaccurate imo. Where does the hate come from?

I'm not sure if someone who isn't sure whether Curry belongs in the top 10 anymore has really given this enough thought - to respectfully put it mildly.

curry is a winning player and plays the team game much better than some of the other candidates

but Id trade Curry for Gianias, for harden {actually I wouldn't because I hate Harden so wouldn't touch him}, AD, Lebron, KD, even Kawahi. Perhaps for Embid too. its not an obvious choice for any of those guys but I think each is a bigger impact player. Though GSW should never trade Curry for anyone clearly.

Id also wonder if at this point Curry is actually better than Kyrie or Lillard in all fairness.
Would Kyrie be just as impactful on the Warriors? Lillard?

I don't know man that really surprises me. I also really see it very differently. I look at Curry and how he effects the game with his curls and constant movement. When i look at any of the others, it's just not there.

Then I look at what he's achieved, what he's proven. Look, Draymond is a second round pick, a role player really. He is good. Middleton too. McCollum too. Tatum, Horford, Hayward too. Chris Paul... every player has some teammates. Curry went all the way. He's a champion. He makes his teammates better simply by being a threat. He's the best finisher and he doesn't hint at declining at all. I love Kawhi for his defense and demeanor, but he won't carry his very stacked team as far. I love Lillard, but off the ball he's not on his level. Even on the ball it's a stretch. Curry is a good finisher in the lane and a closer too. All your guys will be playoff exits again this year and they were before Durant joined GSW.

I don't know why you doubt him. More than anything, the others didn't prove themselves enough and won't this year. The warriors will win once more. Curry will threepeat.

I think your take is unfair. Don't overrate the others just because they're very good. T-Mac used to be crazy good to. But he's not on Curry's level.

all fair points.

And perhaps curry suffers from the riches he is surrounded with and that is why he’s not even in the MVP candidate conversation.

It’s a feeling thing for me.

I think most of those players I mentioned are playing at a better level over the last year or so and most of them project at a high-level for the next couple years

For example if I was building a team right now and I had my choice of pics I would not start with curry. I guess I wouldn’t start with LeBron either. And certainly not harden. But some of those other guys would be people picked over curry.

Fair or not, good choice or not.

[spree2kawhi]

curry is a winning player and plays the team game much better than some of the other candidates

but Id trade Curry for Gianias, for harden {actually I wouldn't because I hate Harden so wouldn't touch him}, AD, Lebron, KD, even Kawahi. Perhaps for Embid too. its not an obvious choice for any of those guys but I think each is a bigger impact player. Though GSW should never trade Curry for anyone clearly.

Id also wonder if at this point Curry is actually better than Kyrie or Lillard in all fairness.
Would Kyrie be just as impactful on the Warriors? Lillard?

I don't know man that really surprises me. I also really see it very differently. I look at Curry and how he effects the game with his curls and constant movement. When i look at any of the others, it's just not there.

Then I look at what he's achieved, what he's proven. Look, Draymond is a second round pick, a role player really. He is good. Middleton too. McCollum too. Tatum, Horford, Hayward too. Chris Paul... every player has some teammates. Curry went all the way. He's a champion. He makes his teammates better simply by being a threat. He's the best finisher and he doesn't hint at declining at all. I love Kawhi for his defense and demeanor, but he won't carry his very stacked team as far. I love Lillard, but off the ball he's not on his level. Even on the ball it's a stretch. Curry is a good finisher in the lane and a closer too. All your guys will be playoff exits again this year and they were before Durant joined GSW.

I don't know why you doubt him. More than anything, the others didn't prove themselves enough and won't this year. The warriors will win once more. Curry will threepeat.

I think your take is unfair. Don't overrate the others just because they're very good. T-Mac used to be crazy good to. But he's not on Curry's level.

all fair points.

And perhaps curry suffers from the riches he is surrounded with and that is why he’s not even in the MVP candidate conversation.

It’s a feeling thing for me.

I think most of those players I mentioned are playing at a better level over the last year or so and most of them project at a high-level for the next couple years

For example if I was building a team right now and I had my choice of pics I would not start with curry. I guess I wouldn’t start with LeBron either. And certainly not harden. But some of those other guys would be people picked over curry.

Fair or not, good choice or not.

I understand that. I often find myself doubting Curry every now and then when I watch him play close games. But he's fine mostly. But to be fair, Lillard is missing some of those hero shots even at the moment. When Kyrie leaves the bench, everybody starts standing around. There's no flawless player. I'm curious to see what these guts will do if Steph and KD should split up.

I'd take Durant to start a team for sure. Then Giannis or Steph if I was planning for one or two years only. Anything long-term starts with Giannis for me.

[KnicksGadfly]

I got Curry as one of the top. I think you can replace his offensive role (not him as a leader) on the Warriors with Dame and Kemba probably, but not Kyrie. I think Curry's offense and efficiency speaks for itself, and that includes the passing, handles, off-ball movement, etc. I also think GS built a system around him, and they've won with that team before. He's not the best defender, but he's improved and he's also gotten better as a rebounder.

Finally, I value Curry highly because of who he is as a culture setter. He's able to do well with players as good as he is. He's able to empower others. Just like Duncan empowered Pop to lead, Curry empowers Kerr. There are some stars in this league that can't do that. They need the ball, they need to be the man, they need to dominate. Curry doesn't need to hold the ball, which sets the tone for the rest of the players on his team and follows Kerr's vision, and he still dominates more than most stars in this league.

I totally think you can build around Curry in this league and I wish the Knicks had had the chance to.

[WargamesX]

Tier 1:
KD
Harden
Kawhi
Giannis
AD


TIer 2:
PG13
Curry
LBJ
Kyrie
Westbrook


Tier 3:
Jokic
Embiid
Klay
Lillard
CP3

[dakomish23]

AD
Giannis
KD
Kawhi
Curry
Harden

Lebron
Irving
Lillard
Jokic
Embid
Butler
Oladipo
PG

KAT
Klay
Beal
Griffin
Simmons
LMA

[NY2TheBay]

Bumping this thread, needed to amend my list (dropped bron to # 3):

Steph
KD
bron
kawhi
Kyrie
Russ
AD
Giannis
PG
dame
Klay
Harden

I genuinely think KD will go down is one of the greatest to ever lace up the sneaks, god willing he stays injury free. Steph has transformed the game of basketball so Im a bit bias.

Just as a thought, KD has Jordans repetoire but in a 6'11 frame and has better handles than MJ. Defensively if he locks in...he can be more dominant than MJ on that side of the ball. People should really appreciate him a bit more, love the fact that he speaks his mind freely..seems like he began doing that once he left OKC.

Im a huge fan of Dame so Im trying to keep bias out of this as much as possible, otherwise he'd be higher. Harden is a bit lower on my list for reasons but he is a generational talent.

quoting myself here, Dame just showed me a lot tonight and it wouldnt be right if I didnt adjust this list. Ive been a fan of his for a long time and I admit to not following the season very closely just nightly highlights.

NEW LIST-Since Playoffs are when the big time players show up.

Steph
KD
Bron
Kawhi
Kyrie
DAME
Russ
AD
Giannis
PG
Klay
Harden

[NY2TheBay]

I got Curry as one of the top. I think you can replace his offensive role (not him as a leader) on the Warriors with Dame and Kemba probably, but not Kyrie. I think Curry's offense and efficiency speaks for itself, and that includes the passing, handles, off-ball movement, etc. I also think GS built a system around him, and they've won with that team before. He's not the best defender, but he's improved and he's also gotten better as a rebounder.

Finally, I value Curry highly because of who he is as a culture setter. He's able to do well with players as good as he is. He's able to empower others. Just like Duncan empowered Pop to lead, Curry empowers Kerr. There are some stars in this league that can't do that. They need the ball, they need to be the man, they need to dominate. Curry doesn't need to hold the ball, which sets the tone for the rest of the players on his team and follows Kerr's vision, and he still dominates more than most stars in this league.

I totally think you can build around Curry in this league and I wish the Knicks had had the chance to.

Well said. Steph Curry is an above average defender and has been for quite some time.

Steph is a stand alone superstar, he opens up the game for everybody, the passing lanes get bigger, other shooters get more space to operate. There is so much more to him and how he affects the floor than what meets the eye.

[spree2kawhi]

curry is a winning player and plays the team game much better than some of the other candidates

but Id trade Curry for Gianias, for harden {actually I wouldn't because I hate Harden so wouldn't touch him}, AD, Lebron, KD, even Kawahi. Perhaps for Embid too. its not an obvious choice for any of those guys but I think each is a bigger impact player. Though GSW should never trade Curry for anyone clearly.

Id also wonder if at this point Curry is actually better than Kyrie or Lillard in all fairness.
Would Kyrie be just as impactful on the Warriors? Lillard?

I don't know man that really surprises me. I also really see it very differently. I look at Curry and how he effects the game with his curls and constant movement. When i look at any of the others, it's just not there.

Then I look at what he's achieved, what he's proven. Look, Draymond is a second round pick, a role player really. He is good. Middleton too. McCollum too. Tatum, Horford, Hayward too. Chris Paul... every player has some teammates. Curry went all the way. He's a champion. He makes his teammates better simply by being a threat. He's the best finisher and he doesn't hint at declining at all. I love Kawhi for his defense and demeanor, but he won't carry his very stacked team as far. I love Lillard, but off the ball he's not on his level. Even on the ball it's a stretch. Curry is a good finisher in the lane and a closer too. All your guys will be playoff exits again this year and they were before Durant joined GSW.

I don't know why you doubt him. More than anything, the others didn't prove themselves enough and won't this year. The warriors will win once more. Curry will threepeat.

I think your take is unfair. Don't overrate the others just because they're very good. T-Mac used to be crazy good to. But he's not on Curry's level.

all fair points.

And perhaps curry suffers from the riches he is surrounded with and that is why he’s not even in the MVP candidate conversation.

It’s a feeling thing for me.

I think most of those players I mentioned are playing at a better level over the last year or so and most of them project at a high-level for the next couple years

For example if I was building a team right now and I had my choice of pics I would not start with curry. I guess I wouldn’t start with LeBron either. And certainly not harden. But some of those other guys would be people picked over curry.

Fair or not, good choice or not.

Obviously Lillard is starting to prove himself right before our eyes now though... but this was more than could be expected lol

[Galou]

Damn, can only name 2 for now. Kawhi and Lillard , that's it.

[Chanel Bomber]

01. Curry
02. Harden
03. Durant
04. Giannis
05. LeBron
06. Kawhi
07. Lillard
08. Embiid
09. Jokic
10. Kyrie
11. AD
12. Klay
13. George
14. KAT
15. Butler
16. Oladipo
17. Aldridge
18. Horford
19. Gobert
20. Westbrook

With Siakam lurking in the shadows.

[Starks]

Dame Lillard heavily slept on again. Above Paul George, Westbrook, Kyrie Irving in my book, no question.

[damedash09]

Curry still not a top 5 player?

[Kampuchea]

Curry still not a top 5 player?

That's correct, not in the top 5.

[Greenie]

Curry still not a top 5 player?

That's correct, not in the top 5.

And you would be dead wrong.

Knick fans never learn