Season speculation, free agency, and trade ideas: #ValleyBoyz rise up

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All this love for Monty Williams and he really isn’t even that special of a coach.

Sure, he’s had tragedies in his life and that does suck but his resume as a coach is nothing impressive.

They really think he can be better than Igor if he has the same injuries and roster without PG and PF that Igor had?

What a joke. FOH Robert Sarver you piece of ****.

[lilfishi22]

Their not wrong. All the idiots who keep bashing Booker would praise him elsewhere too. For as awful as he is defensively, he a super special offensive talent that gets overlooked on a garbage team like the Suns.

I'm in total agreement about this dumpster fire of an organisation. I've said it before on this board that if I was a casual or non-Suns fan, I wouldn't want Zion to go to the Suns.

I’m not even certain the Suns could develop Zion properly.

Neither am I

[bwgood77]

I have this feeling we're going to panic this offseason. Sign Monty. Use all our cap space on middling vets. Trade our pick (even if at 1) for a good but not great player, and firmly cement this team's ceiling as the 9th or 10th best team in the West by deluding ourselves into thinking the team is just 1-2 players away or just a PG away, while hampering what could've been 2-3 years from now by being patient. The not scouting the draft and random firing reportedly because somebody is getting a 2nd interview with LA wreaks of panic.

This team needs a legit star and then some to get into the playoffs. The West is brutal and we aren't on that tier. The fact that we've sucked for years shouldn't change that. Get better smartly. Doubt we do it though.

Well that's what we do every season. I feel confident we should continue to get some good draft picks though. Hopefully we don't trade those.

[Flying Colors]

I’ve pretty much officially lost all hope with this team, it took a lot, but i just don’t have the confidence that this team will ever go anywhere as long as Sarver is running this team.

[Kerrsed]

This is just (Please Use More Appropriate Word). Yes i said that and i dont give a f**k, that is exactly what it is. Another coach bites the dust. Dude had very little time to try to create a system around the players that were on the team, then was the first coach in the history of the NBA to have to start 3 rookies for a large majority of the season. Suns finally hit a stride and started winning games when the injury bug hit and pretty much doomed what little advancements were made.

Now back to square one, finding a new coach out of all the I-Have-Never-Been-A-Head-Coach Candidates because no self respecting Head Coach wants to come join this dumpster-fire franchise and become their 7th coach in 8 seasons. Hell, last year we already had assistant coaches turning us down to go to smaller market teams. And of course we have our name attached to a guy who is on his 2nd interview for the Lakers, who are basically looking for a "Lame Duck" coach for Lebron, so he can do what he wants when he wants and basically run the team. Monty Williams? Seriously? The guy who had a top 5 player and barely made the playoffs once? The Head Coach who helped develop rookies into big name players like.......... who exactly? The guy with a great coaching record of.......173-221? Mediocre at best, and a Lame that the Lakers want to stand on the sidelines while Lebron is the real coach of the team (Just like his former Cav's coach Tyrone Lue was...who they are also looking at hiring).

Hell, at least the Cav's are smart and are looking at hiring Rick Pitino for their vacancy, which is a great move and EXACTLY what we should be doing now that we made the mistake of firing Igor. We got a super young team and pretty much the only way in my eyes to rectify the situation and get a coach with some sort of pedigree and experience is to snag one from the NCAA, someone with a real record of working with youngsters and helping develop them. Im looking at Pitino. Im Looking at Shaka Smart. Im looking at Jay Wright. Im looking at Mark Few. Coach K aint leaving the College Game, an honestly i dont think Coach Cal is all that great (Kentucky just has a history of getting the top players and stacking the deck for him).

Its sad because a small part of me wants to see Kidd get the Head Coaching Job just so we can see this dumpster fire reach its maximum potential level of rage in all its glory and absolutely burn everything to the ground.

[Saberestar]

All this love for Monty Williams and he really isn’t even that special of a coach.

Sure, he’s had tragedies in his life and that does suck but his resume as a coach is nothing impressive.

They really think he can be better than Igor if he has the same injuries and roster without PG and PF that Igor had?

What a joke. FOH Robert Sarver you piece of ****.

Monty coached the Hornets for five consecutive seasons, that team was solid and made the playoffs a couple of times during his time there. It is a young and losing franchise, not easy for any coach to go to the playoffs.

He is an assistant coach for the national team too, and that is big for any coach in the league.

I think that his connection with Bower is decisive, they know each other pretty well. I would like his hiring.

[Kerrsed]

All this love for Monty Williams and he really isn’t even that special of a coach.

Sure, he’s had tragedies in his life and that does suck but his resume as a coach is nothing impressive.

They really think he can be better than Igor if he has the same injuries and roster without PG and PF that Igor had?

What a joke. FOH Robert Sarver you piece of ****.

Monty coached the Hornets for five consecutive seasons, that team was solid and made the playoffs a couple of times during his time there. It is a young and losing franchise, not easy for any coach to go to the playoffs.

He is an assistant coach for the national team too, and that is big for any coach in the league.

I think that his connection with Bower is decisive, they know each other pretty. I would like his hiring.

No, no he isnt an assistant for Team USA Basketball. He WAS an assistant coach for them for a total of 2 years (2014-2016).

[Saberestar]

All this love for Monty Williams and he really isn’t even that special of a coach.

Sure, he’s had tragedies in his life and that does suck but his resume as a coach is nothing impressive.

They really think he can be better than Igor if he has the same injuries and roster without PG and PF that Igor had?

What a joke. FOH Robert Sarver you piece of ****.

Monty coached the Hornets for five consecutive seasons, that team was solid and made the playoffs a couple of times during his time there. It is a young and losing franchise, not easy for any coach to go to the playoffs.

He is an assistant coach for the national team too, and that is big for any coach in the league.

I think that his connection with Bower is decisive, they know each other pretty. I would like his hiring.

No, no he isnt an assistant for Team USA Basketball. He WAS an assistant coach for them for a total of 2 years (2014-2016).

Ok, that is true. But he was during three years (2013-2016).

He probably is selected again as an assistant because he has a GREAT relationship with Popovich, I am not sure if that can change before the Olympics yet.

[Saberestar]

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[Frank Lee]

Yawn..... No problems here, unless we DONT get Williams. I'm betting he reached out to Phnx, or at least was very receptive to the notion. Sacking Igor was a strong sign of seriousness. Dude coached under Pops (champs in'05) and Nate McMillian, as well as what already has been mentioned. Solid person, always has been well liked by players, staff. I think he would mesh well with the budding studding young blooding talent here.

Also, I'd think, Phnx's roster is far more attractive than the bigger s*** show that is LA. We give them a lot of credit around here about being 'the place to go'.... but really... wtf have they done or whotf have they signed in the last 5 yrs ??? LeBron has lost his pied piperness, and that FO has surpassed us in the dysfunction department. This would be a ****block supreme to the Flakers.

BTW, Jones is getting his guys in... any surprises ? Its what new GMs do. This is a minor change on the heals of dumping McDisaster. Lets make this deal and get Monty.

[Saberestar]

Yawn..... No problems here, unless we DONT get Williams. I'm betting he reached out to Phnx, or at least was very receptive to the notion. Sacking Igor was a strong sign of seriousness. Dude coached under Pops (champs in'05) and Nate McMillian, as well as what already has been mentioned. Solid person, always has been well liked by players, staff. I think he would mesh well with the budding studding young blooding talent here.

Also, I'd think, Phnx's roster is far more attractive than the bigger s*** show that is LA. We give them a lot of credit around here about being 'the place to go'.... but really... wtf have they done or whotf have they signed in the last 5 yrs ??? LeBron has lost his pied piperness, and that FO has surpassed us in the dysfunction department. This would be a ****block supreme to the Flakers.

BTW, Jones is getting his guys in... any surprises ? Its what new GMs do. This is a minor change on the heals of dumping McDisaster. Lets make this deal and get Monty.

Yeah, I think that going from Kokoskov to Monty Williams would be an upgrade.

But it's not a sure thing yet, that's the problem for now.

[asudevil]

This is probably my last off-season caring about this organization. If nothing good happens I'm bailing for good....which sucks because this franchise is something I've adored for 2 decades.

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[MathiasPW]

Yawn..... No problems here, unless we DONT get Williams. I'm betting he reached out to Phnx, or at least was very receptive to the notion. Sacking Igor was a strong sign of seriousness. Dude coached under Pops (champs in'05) and Nate McMillian, as well as what already has been mentioned. Solid person, always has been well liked by players, staff. I think he would mesh well with the budding studding young blooding talent here.

Also, I'd think, Phnx's roster is far more attractive than the bigger s*** show that is LA. We give them a lot of credit around here about being 'the place to go'.... but really... wtf have they done or whotf have they signed in the last 5 yrs ??? LeBron has lost his pied piperness, and that FO has surpassed us in the dysfunction department. This would be a ****block supreme to the Flakers.

BTW, Jones is getting his guys in... any surprises ? Its what new GMs do. This is a minor change on the heals of dumping McDisaster. Lets make this deal and get Monty.

Yeah, I think that going from Kokoskov to Monty Williams would be an upgrade.

But it's not a sure thing yet, that's the problem for now.

It doesn't really matter if it's an upgrade, which is very debatable, to begin with, when looking at resumes.

The problem is we are resetting AGAIN all talent evaluation, playing system, coaching support staff, or pretty much ANYTHING the players might be slightly familiar with.

Odds of the team clicking and producing right out of the gate are small, which means it's another season set for failure, which means more revolving doors, which means...

[King4Day]

Most everything has been covered so I'll just list my points.

- It's clear this was a move for the new regime. Igor will land as an assistant coach somewhere next season (probably the Spurs) before getting another chance somewhere else.
- It's likely Bower, Jones, and probably Sarver finally were able to sit down and discuss things. It was likely determined that the growing feeling was that this team needed an established coach, with a good reputation with players around the league (who players might want to play for). If you ask a player to pick between an unknown like Igor or a coach like Williams, they will know more about Monty and likely heard through the grapevine, more good things about him too.
- I expected this could happen after the Jazz and possibly Blazers were eliminated, in the event they fired their coaches.
- This was probably a 'rip the band-aid off now instead of possibly next mid-season and deal with the media circus one (hopefully) last time.
- For people who were upset with how Ayton was used, I fully expect he will get the most out of him next season.
- We also don't know how those exit interviews went with the players. They may have been critical of him, enough that Jones knew a change had to be made to prevent guys from getting disgruntled.

[Saberestar]

Yawn..... No problems here, unless we DONT get Williams. I'm betting he reached out to Phnx, or at least was very receptive to the notion. Sacking Igor was a strong sign of seriousness. Dude coached under Pops (champs in'05) and Nate McMillian, as well as what already has been mentioned. Solid person, always has been well liked by players, staff. I think he would mesh well with the budding studding young blooding talent here.

Also, I'd think, Phnx's roster is far more attractive than the bigger s*** show that is LA. We give them a lot of credit around here about being 'the place to go'.... but really... wtf have they done or whotf have they signed in the last 5 yrs ??? LeBron has lost his pied piperness, and that FO has surpassed us in the dysfunction department. This would be a ****block supreme to the Flakers.

BTW, Jones is getting his guys in... any surprises ? Its what new GMs do. This is a minor change on the heals of dumping McDisaster. Lets make this deal and get Monty.

Yeah, I think that going from Kokoskov to Monty Williams would be an upgrade.

But it's not a sure thing yet, that's the problem for now.

It doesn't really matter if it's an upgrade, which is very debatable, to begin with, when looking at resumes.

The problem is we are resetting AGAIN all talent evaluation, playing system, coaching support staff, or pretty much ANYTHING the players might be slightly familiar with.

Odds of the team clicking and producing right out of the gate are small, which means it's another season set for failure, which means more revolving doors, which means...

Not true, look at Budenholzer with the Bucks or Clifford with the Magic just as examples.

[MathiasPW]

And we will finally have a great team when there are zero fans left.


Yay

[MathiasPW]

Yeah, I think that going from Kokoskov to Monty Williams would be an upgrade.

But it's not a sure thing yet, that's the problem for now.

It doesn't really matter if it's an upgrade, which is very debatable, to begin with, when looking at resumes.

The problem is we are resetting AGAIN all talent evaluation, playing system, coaching support staff, or pretty much ANYTHING the players might be slightly familiar with.

Odds of the team clicking and producing right out of the gate are small, which means it's another season set for failure, which means more revolving doors, which means...

Not true, look out Budenholzer with the Bucks or Clifford with the Magic just as examples.

I stand by my assertion, although it needs empirical validation.

Nevertheless, we are talking about probabilities, so the fact that there are examples that it worked does not mean it's more likely to work for us, too.

I have a clear impression that most coaching changes lead to no significant improvement when compared to keeping old ones.

Will work on that when I have some free time.

[alamin330]

I get why everyone is upset but in the grand scheme of things why? Igor was not really a good coach. He rarely if ever makes adjustments. Even after a 6000 game losing streak he won’t make adjustments. How long did he play Ryan Anderson and Canaan which probably cost us a few games early in the season. He’s better suited as an assistant. He doesn’t have the intensity or passion that you need your head coach to have. He’s too passive and doesn’t fight for his players with the refs. He’s probably a great assistant coach but he’s not the head coaching type. I think this is the wisest move the suns made regardless of whether Monty Williams is the target or not.
Suns need to re-evaluate things and find a coach who can bring out the best in these young guys particularly Ayton who Igor made into a prop basically.
You guys complain about the team losing but want the same coach that caused it. Complain about ayton not getting touches but want to keep the same guy who called for that.
Who cares about what other people say. Matt Barnes, really? Who is he? Nobody ever liked him. Don’t you realize it’s a bunch of scrubs and journeymen and people who know nothing at all I.e Rachel Nichols and Woj who try to denigrate the suns. I’ve heard nothing bad from Marion, stoudemire, Nash, Hill, diaw, barbosa, Dudley etc etc. not even Shaq who’s in the media.
I think this was a decision the front office made together and Sarver signed off on it. I don’t think Sarver forced anyone to fire him. The raptors fired their coach of the year, kings fired the coach who almost got them to the playoffs. This is part of the nba

[Frank Lee]

This is probably my last off-season caring about this organization. If nothing good happens I'm bailing for good....which sucks because this franchise is something I've adored for 2 decades.

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hoist yer sails matey, the fairweather winds are a blowing

I'll gang plank the next one with any more talk of mutiny

[Waylay13]

hey just Lakers are showing what a dysfunctional team they can be; count on Sarver to show them up and prove that he is the worst owner out there. We can cheer for players and team all we want but what this team is doing at the top is a promise to prove that we suck for the foreseeable future to come.