2020 NBA Draft

[KobesScarf]

Why is Cole being compared to Kyrie? Cole can potentially be an elite above the rim finisher

[Duke4life831]

Why is Cole being compared to Kyrie? Cole can potentially be an elite above the rim finisher

I'm comparing him to Kyrie/Lillard because I see him like those two in play style. A score first PG that isn't a great facilitator and not a good defender. But he can kill a defense from all over the court. He can create a clean good look for himself with ease and is able to convert from anywhere on the court.

[clyde21]

closest thing we've seen to Kyrie recently IMO is Garland

[Upperclass]

Cole is going to disappoint so many. He's Sebastian Telfair

[No-Man]

closest thing we've seen to Kyrie recently IMO is Garland

How? Garland ain't incisive at all

Cole is way worse athletically than people seem to think

[GimmeDat]

I'll be honest, in the little I've seen of Anthony, he hasn't really popped for me on a functional level as an athlete yet. I need to see more. But obviously the measurables are average at best so he needs to be a plus athlete at the PG position. He likely is and to me his skill level seems high, so I like him overall, but I'm a little hesitant until I see more.

[crows2]

looking at the next year's crop I don't see a clear #1 guy yet...maybe it's Anthony Edwards from the early stuff I've seen but Power has me rethinking him a bit if what he's saying about is true in regards to his motor/work ethic.

Cole is on the smaller side and is not really a pure shooter which I feel like you have to be when you're that size but there's still a lot more room for growth in this area so we'll see.

Wiseman is the presumptive number one at this stage and I wouldn’t be surprised if he stays there unless one of the guards/wings has an incredible season in college.

Cole Anthony looked like the most well-rounded prospect at the all-star games, but he’d probably need to have a Kyrie-like performance over the whole season to overtake Wiseman.

Edwards has potential but didn’t look on the same level as Wiseman or Anthony in my opinion. From what I’ve seen he isn’t quite at that absolutely “special” level that would justify being the top pick in the draft.

Stewart was the other impressive prospect but Wiseman has better tools and is a better defender so should be drafted ahead of him at this stage.

Jaden McDaniels was getting number one buzz previously, but he was far too passive for my liking during the all-star circuit. I don’t know whether he’s got the drive to fulfil his potential and I think he needs to go to a really good college situation to get the most out of his talent.

Precious Achiuwa on the other hand really raised his stock as he was actually prepared to take the game on and, as a result, stood out above most of the other prospects. He’d be above or close to McDaniels on most big boards now.

I’d be surprised if any other American prospects figure in the conversation for the top few picks. I haven’t seen any of the Europeans yet (Maledon, Hayes, Avdija) yet, but it sounds like they’re all top 5-10 chances.

[King Ken]

looking at the next year's crop I don't see a clear #1 guy yet...maybe it's Anthony Edwards from the early stuff I've seen but Power has me rethinking him a bit if what he's saying about is true in regards to his motor/work ethic.

Cole is on the smaller side and is not really a pure shooter which I feel like you have to be when you're that size but there's still a lot more room for growth in this area so we'll see.

Wiseman is the presumptive number one at this stage and I wouldn’t be surprised if he stays there unless one of the guards/wings has an incredible season in college.

Cole Anthony looked like the most well-rounded prospect at the all-star games, but he’d probably need to have a Kyrie-like performance over the whole season to overtake Wiseman.

Edwards has potential but didn’t look on the same level as Wiseman or Anthony in my opinion. From what I’ve seen he isn’t quite at that absolutely “special” level that would justify being the top pick in the draft.

Stewart was the other impressive prospect but Wiseman has better tools and is a better defender so should be drafted ahead of him at this stage.

Jaden McDaniels was getting number one buzz previously, but he was far too passive for my liking during the all-star circuit. I don’t know whether he’s got the drive to fulfil his potential and I think he needs to go to a really good college situation to get the most out of his talent.

Precious Achiuwa on the other hand really raised his stock as he was actually prepared to take the game on and, as a result, stood out above most of the other prospects. He’d be above or close to McDaniels on most big boards now.

I’d be surprised if any other American prospects figure in the conversation for the top few picks. I haven’t seen any of the Europeans yet (Maledon, Hayes, Avdija) yet, but it sounds like they’re all top 5-10 chances.

I think Edwards is the most talented. I don't think it is close either. He needs to be in better shape but we said the same about Zion and look what he did.

Wiseman is the easy pick but what does he do at an elite level. He has potential to be a two way beast but nothing he does is elite.

Anthony is cold af. Just athletic and skilled. Great feel for the game. Carolina got them one.

I like Precious a lot. He has some shades on Dr. J to me. His length, height, agility, and smoothness is something to admire.

This class is more favorable than 2019. I think the potential in this class is crazy good even if they don't have the same depth but you never know. Guys improve so much.

[clyde21]

looking at the next year's crop I don't see a clear #1 guy yet...maybe it's Anthony Edwards from the early stuff I've seen but Power has me rethinking him a bit if what he's saying about is true in regards to his motor/work ethic.

Cole is on the smaller side and is not really a pure shooter which I feel like you have to be when you're that size but there's still a lot more room for growth in this area so we'll see.

Wiseman is the presumptive number one at this stage and I wouldn’t be surprised if he stays there unless one of the guards/wings has an incredible season in college.

Cole Anthony looked like the most well-rounded prospect at the all-star games, but he’d probably need to have a Kyrie-like performance over the whole season to overtake Wiseman.

Edwards has potential but didn’t look on the same level as Wiseman or Anthony in my opinion. From what I’ve seen he isn’t quite at that absolutely “special” level that would justify being the top pick in the draft.

Stewart was the other impressive prospect but Wiseman has better tools and is a better defender so should be drafted ahead of him at this stage.

Jaden McDaniels was getting number one buzz previously, but he was far too passive for my liking during the all-star circuit. I don’t know whether he’s got the drive to fulfil his potential and I think he needs to go to a really good college situation to get the most out of his talent.

Precious Achiuwa on the other hand really raised his stock as he was actually prepared to take the game on and, as a result, stood out above most of the other prospects. He’d be above or close to McDaniels on most big boards now.

I’d be surprised if any other American prospects figure in the conversation for the top few picks. I haven’t seen any of the Europeans yet (Maledon, Hayes, Avdija) yet, but it sounds like they’re all top 5-10 chances.

i think Anthony Edwards right now looks the most like a #1 pick type but still a wait a see for me. a lot of things change between now and this time next year.

[BostonCouchGM]

It's super early but my first impressions of this class are that it won't be as strong as 2017 or 2018 but similar to 2016 and 2019. So a very good draft in other words

[clyde21]

It's super early but my first impressions of this class are that it won't be as strong as 2017 or 2018 but similar to 2016 and 2019. So a very good draft in other words

'16 wasn't that good of a draft, i'd say it's step lower than '19 and '17 and two steps lower than '18.

still too early to say on '20 at this point, looks okay but nothing special.

[The-Power]

Why is Cole being compared to Kyrie? Cole can potentially be an elite above the rim finisher

I'm comparing him to Kyrie/Lillard because I see him like those two in play style. A score first PG that isn't a great facilitator and not a good defender. But he can kill a defense from all over the court. He can create a clean good look for himself with ease and is able to convert from anywhere on the court.

I think Cole is much more of a natural facilitator than Kyrie. At the same time, he is clearly no Kyrie in terms of quickness and has – as pretty much any prospect at this stage – a long way to go to approach his level of creation for himself. I have high hopes for Cole and believe he can eventually get to the level of Lillard overall even though this is quite clearly a lot to ask and expect at this point. But I do believe he can emerge as a player ranked similarly to Fultz or Young after his college year.

From what I have read, I believe many people underrate his playmaking and overrate his athleticism. He is good enough athletically to get by, but he will need to have an excellent pull-up game and finishing skills to really become a leader of an NBA team. The potential is there but lots of work ahead. At the same time, I think at this stage he is clearly ahead of the prototypical highly-ranked score-first type PGs when it comes to playmaking. Much more naturally gifted in my eyes and with a more pronounced pass-first mentality.

[Elrod is Back]

I think the NBA people think 20 and 21 will both be better than 19 as far as talent. It is one of the main reasons Memphis wanted to convey its no.1 pick to Boston this year, rather than next year or 2021.

[KobesScarf]

Why is Cole being compared to Kyrie? Cole can potentially be an elite above the rim finisher

I'm comparing him to Kyrie/Lillard because I see him like those two in play style. A score first PG that isn't a great facilitator and not a good defender. But he can kill a defense from all over the court. He can create a clean good look for himself with ease and is able to convert from anywhere on the court.

I think Cole is much more of a natural facilitator than Kyrie. At the same time, he is clearly no Kyrie in terms of quickness and has – as pretty much any prospect at this stage – a long way to go to approach his level of creation for himself. I have high hopes for Cole and believe he can eventually get to the level of Lillard overall even though this is quite clearly a lot to ask and expect at this point. But I do believe he can emerge as a player ranked similarly to Fultz or Young after his college year.

From what I have read, I believe many people underrate his playmaking and overrate his athleticism. He is good enough athletically to get by, but he will need to have an excellent pull-up game and finishing skills to really become a leader of an NBA team. The potential is there but lots of work ahead. At the same time, I think at this stage he is clearly ahead of the prototypical highly-ranked score-first type PGs when it comes to playmaking. Much more naturally gifted in my eyes and with a more pronounced pass-first mentality.

His above the rim finishing is his core competency

[No-Man]

Seems like Carolina is bound to get CKeeling, really athletic 2-Guard who can shoot it and run the floor, rebounds like a big, should def help a ton, Anthony Harris just committed too, I don't think Achiuwa is happening (Memphis, Georgia, UConn or Kansas), so the roster is kinda set;

Anthony-Woods
Keeling-Harris
Black-Robinson
Brooks-Manley
Bacot-Manley

Platek and Huffman if you need a body for some reason, I think JFrancis red-shirts, they likely give a scholarship to a walk-on if they can't get another guy

[clyde21]

im just gonna go ahead and say it: half the stuff being said right now its gonna look completely laughable in a year.

all you have to do is take a look at the beginning of the 2019 NBA Draft to see some pretty hilarious stuff (even from myself).

This is a quote about Zion for example:

Nope. There are several guys I like more who are already in college. I imagine he will be exposed this year at Duke.

so yea

[Hoopz Afrik]

closest thing we've seen to Kyrie recently IMO is Garland

Idk if I agree with this one. Seems a lot more like Kemba than Kyrie. Finishing at the rim I dont think will be a staple of his game.

[The-Power]

His above the rim finishing is his core competency

Yeah, not at all. That is, with all due respect, an utterly ridiculous take.

[The-Power]

im just gonna go ahead and say it: half the stuff being said right now its gonna look completely laughable in a year.

That's for sure. The same is true for pre-draft takes once the players are in the NBA, and for a number of Rookies once they are a year or two more in. This should not stop us from discussing, though – only from pretending to know for sure what is going to happen and who a player exactly is. As long as one is humble in the assessment, discusses based on (semi-)informed personal impressions and is open to listen to others, the talk about prospects can't start soon enough as far as I'm concerned. If only to see how players and assessments develop and evolve.

For me, Bamba is perhaps the best example. A player I was extremely high on based on HS footage and interviews, who I soured on pretty quickly after he entered college. In the end, I had him much lower than most despite being one of his big advocates initially. This was an interesting experience that has definitely helped me with future assessments in some ways. But there is no doubt that this will happen again (and already has with Grimes one could argue) and I am sure it is going to be another learning (and humbling) experience to take in and learn from.

[clyde21]

im just gonna go ahead and say it: half the stuff being said right now its gonna look completely laughable in a year.

That's for sure. The same is true for pre-draft takes once the players are in the NBA, and for a number of Rookies once they are a year or two more in. This should not stop us from discussing, though – only from pretending to know for sure what is going to happen and who a player exactly is. As long as one is humble in the assessment, discusses based on (semi-)informed personal impressions and is open to listen to others, the talk about prospects can't start soon enough as far as I'm concerned. If only to see how players and assessments develop and evolve.

For me, Bamba is perhaps the best example. A player I was extremely high on based on HS footage and interviews, who I soured on pretty quickly after he entered college. In the end, I had him much lower than most despite being one of his big advocates initially. This was an interesting experience that has definitely helped me with future assessments in some ways. But there is no doubt that this will happen again (and already has with Grimes one could argue) and I am sure it is going to be another learning (and humbling) experience to take in and learn from.

oh yea I completely agree...just think at this point people should probably be more open minded because things change A LOT...if you draw a line in the sand at this point about a prospect it has decent chance of coming back against u.

sidenote: im still a huge fan of Grimes.