College/Draft #6 - NCAA Finals + Draft Leadup W/ Knicks In The Top Seed!!!

[Deeeez Knicks]

Shooting is def an important skill for guards, but its not that black and white like shooting vs non-shooting. Fox is an example. I would take him. Wade was one of the best of all time and wasn’t a great long range shooter. Donovan Mitchell is another one, while Monk was supposed to have unlimited range and hasnt panned out.

I have not seen Garland enough so I am not sure either way on him.

I just wouldn’t sleep on Ja because of shooting especially since he can get better.

[robillionaire]

both lillard and morant shot 36% from 3 this year lol

[3toheadmelo]

Shooting is def an important skill for guards, but its not that black and white like shooting vs non-shooting. Fox is an example. I would take him. Wade was one of the best of all time and wasn’t a great long range shooter. Donovan Mitchell is another one, while Monk was supposed to have unlimited range and hasnt panned out.

I have not seen Garland enough so I am not sure either way on him.

I just wouldn’t sleep on Ja because of shooting especially since he can get better.

D'Lo is another guard who can shoot it and played terrible in the playoffs. It's def not that black and white like others try to make it seem like.

It can go either way really

[DOT]

Shooting is def an important skill for guards, but its not that black and white like shooting vs non-shooting. Fox is an example. I would take him. Wade was one of the best of all time and wasn’t a great long range shooter. Donovan Mitchell is another one, while Monk was supposed to have unlimited range and hasnt panned out.

I have not seen Garland enough so I am not sure either way on him.

I just wouldn’t sleep on Ja because of shooting especially since he can get better.

D'Lo is another guard who can shoot it and played terrible in the playoffs. It's def not that black and white like others try to make it seem like.

It can go either way really

I just don't want another guy that has zero interest in playing defense

Plus, when you're that athletic and play against basically D2 teams, shooting worse than Mudiay at the rim isn't a great sign to me

[Tron Carter]

Shooting is def an important skill for guards, but its not that black and white like shooting vs non-shooting. Fox is an example. I would take him. Wade was one of the best of all time and wasn’t a great long range shooter. Donovan Mitchell is another one, while Monk was supposed to have unlimited range and hasnt panned out.

I have not seen Garland enough so I am not sure either way on him.

I just wouldn’t sleep on Ja because of shooting especially since he can get better.

D'Lo is another guard who can shoot it and played terrible in the playoffs. It's def not that black and white like others try to make it seem like.

It can go either way really

I just don't want another guy that has zero interest in playing defense

Plus, when you're that athletic and play against basically D2 teams, shooting worse than Mudiay at the rim isn't a great sign to me

it’s that and his intermediate game. he doesn’t have a dribble pull up or reliable floater. he probably can develop into an at least average 3pt shooter but I worry about that in-between game.

[Capn'O]

look at the point guards thriving in the playoffs. steph, lillard, curry. all dynamic shooters with DEEEEEP range who can pull up on a dime.

“but but what about playmaking and triple doubles?”

that’s not the style you win with in the nba at your point guard position.

Steph and Curry? Did Harden and Paul die?

[3toheadmelo]

Shooting is def an important skill for guards, but its not that black and white like shooting vs non-shooting. Fox is an example. I would take him. Wade was one of the best of all time and wasn’t a great long range shooter. Donovan Mitchell is another one, while Monk was supposed to have unlimited range and hasnt panned out.

I have not seen Garland enough so I am not sure either way on him.

I just wouldn’t sleep on Ja because of shooting especially since he can get better.

D'Lo is another guard who can shoot it and played terrible in the playoffs. It's def not that black and white like others try to make it seem like.

It can go either way really

I just don't want another guy that has zero interest in playing defense

Plus, when you're that athletic and play against basically D2 teams, shooting worse than Mudiay at the rim isn't a great sign to me

Yeah I hear you. Although I am higher on Ja than garland, I would prefer not to draft any of them and ride with DSJ for now. Or Kyrie. At least those guys give some effort on defense and can finish at the rim

[robillionaire]

look at the point guards thriving in the playoffs. steph, lillard, curry. all dynamic shooters with DEEEEEP range who can pull up on a dime.

“but but what about playmaking and triple doubles?”

that’s not the style you win with in the nba at your point guard position.

ok let's look at it, i'll play devils advocate

steph - once in a lifetime shooter on a once in a lifetime super team surrounded by other league MVP caliber players
lillard - has never had sustained playoff success, got swept by non-shooters rondo and holiday last year. career and season shooting the same 3pt% as morant this year who is a guy who allegedly can't shoot
curry - seth curry?

now look at the starting pgs for the other teams still in it, kyrie, bledsoe, cp3, ben simmons, lowry, murray, derrick white, rubio, SGA. you got one dynamic shooter there, kyrie, and even when he won lebron was playing PG for playmaking and triple double abilities. so it will be interesting to see how lillard and kyrie do going forward then

[Fat]

I’m jumping over to team garland

I was told Morant vs Garland is like RWB vs Lillard.

I’ll allow it

I personally dont like throwing out those big names like that because majority of the time players dont ever live up to it but those are fair enough comps.

We havent seen enough of garland but to me he can be hybrid of d'angelo/lilard at very best from the little to go off of

Morant i dont know.. you cant even really compare him to college westbrook who came at you with a full head of steam on both ends of the floor, had a better frame, defensive pac 10 player of the year and was still an athletic freak. But Morant is definitely a better playmaker and had better handles ill give him that he is a true point guard.

[Fat]

look at the point guards thriving in the playoffs. steph, lillard, curry. all dynamic shooters with DEEEEEP range who can pull up on a dime.

“but but what about playmaking and triple doubles?”

that’s not the style you win with in the nba at your point guard position.

the jumpshot is the xfactor but they also have creativity with the ball to do other things that make them tough covers and garland shows traits of that same type of player.

[Deeeez Knicks]

The game is always changing and the prototypes change with it depending on the flavor of the month. There are so many different types of players that can be successful. You just need to keep an open mind. The intangibles is the part that doesn’t seem to change too much.

[Tron Carter]

I’m jumping over to team garland

I was told Morant vs Garland is like RWB vs Lillard.

I’ll allow it

I personally dont like throwing out those big names like that because majority of the time players dont ever live up to it but those are fair enough comps.

We havent seen enough of garland but to me he can be hybrid of d'angelo/lilard at very best from the little to go off of

Morant i dont know.. you cant even really compare him to college westbrook who came at you with a full head of steam on both ends of the floor, had a better frame, defensive pac 10 player of the year and was still an athletic freak. But Morant is definitely a better playmaker and had better handles ill give him that he is a true point guard.

I’m being hyperbolic. odds are morant and garland aren’t anywhere close to Westbrook and Lillard level players. we always overrate players this time around draft year. I just prefer his style of play.

[Tron Carter]

look at the point guards thriving in the playoffs. steph, lillard, curry. all dynamic shooters with DEEEEEP range who can pull up on a dime.

“but but what about playmaking and triple doubles?”

that’s not the style you win with in the nba at your point guard position.

Steph and Curry? Did Harden and Paul die?

I was gassed off last nights game

Paul has one of the best dribble pull ups of all time from the pg position.

[Capn'O]

I’m jumping over to team garland

I was told Morant vs Garland is like RWB vs Lillard.

I’ll allow it

I personally dont like throwing out those big names like that because majority of the time players dont ever live up to it but those are fair enough comps.

We havent seen enough of garland but to me he can be hybrid of d'angelo/lilard at very best from the little to go off of

Morant i dont know.. you cant even really compare him to college westbrook who came at you with a full head of steam on both ends of the floor, had a better frame, defensive pac 10 player of the year and was still an athletic freak. But Morant is definitely a better playmaker and had better handles ill give him that he is a true point guard.

I only used those comps because Ja is a high usage rim runner and Lillard is more of a perimeter playmaker. It wasn't supposed to be that literal.

[Capn'O]

look at the point guards thriving in the playoffs. steph, lillard, curry. all dynamic shooters with DEEEEEP range who can pull up on a dime.

“but but what about playmaking and triple doubles?”

that’s not the style you win with in the nba at your point guard position.

Steph and Curry? Did Harden and Paul die?

I was gassed off last nights game

Paul has one of the best dribble pull ups of all time from the pg position.

Paul is obv. a wayyyyyyy more skilled offensive player than Ja.

I guess my point with him is similar to Embiid and bigs. Knowing he would eventually be healthy, would you stay away because the game is going away from his archtype? In my mind, the issue was more that there just weren't generationally skilled bigs.

Likewise, there just aren't a lot of GOOD classic playmaking points right now and I think Ja is one of those. He needs to build out his offensive skillset and become passable on D to reach his full potential but with his approach to the game I think he can be a guy that owns the court like he did vs. Marquette.

[Fat]

I’m jumping over to team garland

guards that can shoot > guards that can't shoot

youd have to travel back to the 2008 celtics to get a look of the last team that won a championship without a point guard that wasnt a reliable shooter and that team had a bunch of hall of famers to carry.

after that the list of point guards to win it were either 3D guys or point guards that can mix it up inside and out.

[Tron Carter]

Steph and Curry? Did Harden and Paul die?

I was gassed off last nights game

Paul has one of the best dribble pull ups of all time from the pg position.

Paul is obv. a wayyyyyyy more skilled offensive player than Ja.

I guess my point with him is similar to Embiid and bigs. Knowing he would eventually be healthy, would you stay away because the game is going away from his archtype? In my mind, the issue was more that there just weren't generationally skilled bigs.

Likewise, there just aren't a lot of GOOD classic playmaking points right now and I think Ja is one of those. He needs to build out his offensive skillset and become passable on D to reach his full potential but with his approach to the game I think he can be a guy that owns the court like he did vs. Marquette.

I can’t see the embiid analogy. it’s different with centers. I don’t think the game was going away from that archetype. that’s why he would have been far and away the #1. that’s why ayton still went #1 (not that I’m comparing their games) over a guy like trae young.

it all comes down to tastes but when I look at his offensive skill set I just don’t value it on the same level of the elite point guards of today. now he could break the mold and prove me wrong and he definitely has the talent to do so but there are red flags that still scare me about his game.

[Fat]

i dont see the knicks taking a point guard though

were getting RJ barret

[awy]

oh no

[Tron Carter]

i dont see the knicks taking a point guard though

were getting RJ barret

probably. I could still also see us taking culver if we fall further.