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Post#141 » by RalphSampsonJr » Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:00 am

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RalphSampsonJr wrote:Man the basketball world is being ruthless towards Russ. Maybe. Juat maybe this is what he needed. To get embarassed this badly in a playoff series.

Then PG makes salty "bad shot" comments. Yea it was technically a bad shot but Dame had been doing it all series.

These two got put in their place by Portland. Adams couldnt stay on the floor and Grant seemed to fade away when the post season came.

Lets hope all these guys take this very personally and come back next year with a better attitude. As well as a better understanding of what it takes to win.


Dame almost scored from half court though... I mean guys are capable of making insane, ridiculous shots, but I'm not sure what PG could have done there any better. He kept him from the drive, kept him too far for him to drop down a pass for a 2 and basically forced him to take a half court with the last second winding down. The bigger problem is the 15 point choke job they managed to orchestrate before that shot went off.


Yea dont get me wrong he defended pretty text book really. Its just the comments after that piss me off.
Give props when its due. Dont focus on the fact that stat wise its a bad shot. Comend him for playong so well all series etc.

Again, these two as the leaders need to get their egos in check. I think Dame might have just done that.
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#142 » by ThunderBolt » Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:19 am

Russ is going to come out and hit 14 threes on opening night and mean mug everyone to prove Lowe wrong.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/253500/Zach-Lowe-Russell-Westbrook-Has-NBAs-2nd-Worst-Contract
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#143 » by RalphSampsonJr » Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:37 am

ThunderBolt wrote:Russ is going to come out and hit 14 threes on opening night and mean mug everyone to prove Lowe wrong.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/253500/Zach-Lowe-Russell-Westbrook-Has-NBAs-2nd-Worst-Contract


Even if Russ improved his 3pt % by 10 it would still be the 2nd worst contract in the NBA
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#144 » by RunOKC » Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:46 am

RalphSampsonJr wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:Russ is going to come out and hit 14 threes on opening night and mean mug everyone to prove Lowe wrong.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/253500/Zach-Lowe-Russell-Westbrook-Has-NBAs-2nd-Worst-Contract


Even if Russ improved his 3pt % by 10 it would still be the 2nd worst contract in the NBA

Not really. If Russ was shooting 38% from 3 he'd be unstoppable
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Post#145 » by slick_watts » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:04 am

ThunderBolt wrote:Russ is going to come out and hit 14 threes on opening night and mean mug everyone to prove Lowe wrong.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/253500/Zach-Lowe-Russell-Westbrook-Has-NBAs-2nd-Worst-Contract


hard to disagree with the general assessment. this has happened fast.

it's hard to believe we were in late december, early january and peeps around here were still insisting westbrook was having a great year just wasn't shooting well.
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Post#146 » by RalphSampsonJr » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:06 am

RunOKC wrote:
RalphSampsonJr wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:Russ is going to come out and hit 14 threes on opening night and mean mug everyone to prove Lowe wrong.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/253500/Zach-Lowe-Russell-Westbrook-Has-NBAs-2nd-Worst-Contract


Even if Russ improved his 3pt % by 10 it would still be the 2nd worst contract in the NBA

Not really. If Russ was shooting 38% from 3 he'd be unstoppable


Unstoppable?! Jesus..
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Post#147 » by SecondTake » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:18 am

RalphSampsonJr wrote:
RunOKC wrote:
RalphSampsonJr wrote:
Even if Russ improved his 3pt % by 10 it would still be the 2nd worst contract in the NBA

Not really. If Russ was shooting 38% from 3 he'd be unstoppable


Unstoppable?! Jesus..


65% at the rim and 38% from 3 is pretty unstoppable. Would the extra 2% for 40 make it better for you?
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Post#148 » by Dadouv47 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:31 am

slick_watts wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:Russ is going to come out and hit 14 threes on opening night and mean mug everyone to prove Lowe wrong.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/253500/Zach-Lowe-Russell-Westbrook-Has-NBAs-2nd-Worst-Contract


hard to disagree with the general assessment. this has happened fast.

it's hard to believe we were in late december, early january and peeps around here were still insisting westbrook was having a great year just wasn't shooting well.


Don't think anyone said he was having a great year. Looks like u are exaggerating in order to make a point. Everyone was worried about his shooting but some thought it would improve over the year.

Personally I thought he was playing better defense (numbers showed this as well, but it didn't last) and mostly he took a step down in order for PG13 to shine. But PG13 started to play worse because of his shoulder and Russ bad old habits came back...
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Post#149 » by RalphSampsonJr » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:38 am

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RalphSampsonJr wrote:
RunOKC wrote:Not really. If Russ was shooting 38% from 3 he'd be unstoppable


Unstoppable?! Jesus..


65% at the rim and 38% from 3 is pretty unstoppable. Would the extra 2% for 40 make it better for you?


Nah him defending at a consistant level would tho
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Post#150 » by RalphSampsonJr » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:42 am

SecondTake wrote:
RalphSampsonJr wrote:
RunOKC wrote:Not really. If Russ was shooting 38% from 3 he'd be unstoppable


Unstoppable?! Jesus..


65% at the rim and 38% from 3 is pretty unstoppable. Would the extra 2% for 40 make it better for you?


People are forgetting he is owed 47 mil in his last year. If he is already on the downhill slide now.. that is why it the 2nd worst. Him CP3 and Wall have taken advantage of a terrible decision made by the NBA to create these type of contracts
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Re: Thunder Offseason Thread 

Post#151 » by slick_watts » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:43 am

Dadouv47 wrote:
slick_watts wrote:
ThunderBolt wrote:Russ is going to come out and hit 14 threes on opening night and mean mug everyone to prove Lowe wrong.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/253500/Zach-Lowe-Russell-Westbrook-Has-NBAs-2nd-Worst-Contract


hard to disagree with the general assessment. this has happened fast.

it's hard to believe we were in late december, early january and peeps around here were still insisting westbrook was having a great year just wasn't shooting well.


Don't think anyone said he was having a great year. Looks like u are exaggerating in order to make a point. Everyone was worried about his shooting but some thought it would improve over the year.

Personally I thought he was playing better defense (numbers showed this as well, but it didn't last) and mostly he took a step down in order for PG13 to shine. But PG13 started to play worse because of his shoulder and Russ bad old habits came back...


bruh i was part of the arguments. he's doing everything people wanted him to do. etc. etc.
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Post#152 » by Dadouv47 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:51 am

RalphSampsonJr wrote:
SecondTake wrote:
RalphSampsonJr wrote:
Unstoppable?! Jesus..


65% at the rim and 38% from 3 is pretty unstoppable. Would the extra 2% for 40 make it better for you?


People are forgetting he is owed 47 mil in his last year. If he is already on the downhill slide now.. that is why it the 2nd worst. Him CP3 and Wall have taken advantage of a terrible decision made by the NBA to create these type of contracts


Blake Griffin has a worse contract and it's not close. Russ has probably one of the 3-4 worst contracts when it comes to star players, but some bad players are getting even worse contracts (Wiggins, Batum etc)

Well to be fair it will depend on which version of Russ we will see the next years. If he plays like last year, it would be ''ok''. If it's like this year then yeah that's beyond terrible.
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Post#153 » by bondom34 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:54 am

Did someone forget Wiggins is alive? There's no way that's a bottom 2 contract. It's not good, but no supermaxes are.
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Post#154 » by RalphSampsonJr » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:04 am

bondom34 wrote:Did someone forget Wiggins is alive? There's no way that's a bottom 2 contract. It's not good, but no supermaxes are.


To be fair i did forget ol mate wiggins.

Its just that 47 mil when it seems Russ is already on the decline.. thats gonna hurt.

Not saying it shouldnt have been done though. okc had to give him that stupid super max. Owell heres hoping the cap starts spiking the next couple years!
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Post#155 » by bondom34 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:11 am

RalphSampsonJr wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Did someone forget Wiggins is alive? There's no way that's a bottom 2 contract. It's not good, but no supermaxes are.


To be fair i did forget ol mate wiggins.

Its just that 47 mil when it seems Russ is already on the decline.. thats gonna hurt.

Not saying it shouldnt have been done though. okc had to give him that stupid super max. Owell heres hoping the cap starts spiking the next couple years!

It won't, but it's in a group of guys that are similar. Wiggins is worse, Wall, Batum, heck Evan Turner, Biyombo, Dieng. Useless guys getting a ton of money.

It's similar to Love/Griffin/CP3. Portland is going to likely be paying Lillard a supermax that will end when he's 35 and getting $54.5M. You pay for stars, then when they decline you just eat it. It's better than paying for non-stars who aren't good ever.
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Post#156 » by 1bigfan13 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:57 am

I skimmed over draft prospects on a few websites and the name that kind of intrigues me and figures to be a realistic option for OKC at pick 21 is Kentucky SG Tyler Herro. He's an elite FT shooter and solid 3 PT shooter.

His Kentucky teammate, Keldon Johnson, would be a solid prospect as well. He's another guy with a decent frame and a solid jump shot.
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Post#157 » by 1bigfan13 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:22 am

Also, I think adding a skilled big man could be in play at 21. Someone who could legitimately push Adams for playing time. Give me a guy who is comfortable operating out on the perimeter. I'm tired of watching this archaic style of play that OKC is clinging onto.
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Post#158 » by Osirus89 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:54 am

1bigfan13 wrote:I skimmed over draft prospects on a few websites and the name that kind of intrigues me and figures to be a realistic option for OKC at pick 21 is Kentucky SG Tyler Hero. He's an elite FT shooter solid 3 PT shooter.

His Kentucky teammate, Keldon Johnson, would be a solid prospect as well. He's another guy with a decent frame and a solid jump shot.


Herro is my guy going into the draft. I want to see his combine measurements and drill numbers, but he looks like the guy. His floor is what Alex Abrines was, his ceiling is a taller, more skilled JJ Reddick.

I love Zach Lowe, but Russ's contract isn't the second worst in the league. It's not great, but its not even close to the second worst. It's not even in the top 5 worst in the league.

Blake (He is already shot judging by this years playoffs)
Wiggins (Nuff said)
Christiano Felicio
Batum (Look it up... its bad)
Kevin Love's is not great
Ian Mahinmi
Hassan Whiteside
Tim Hardaway
Mozgov (It's still got two years left at 16 mill per)
Drummond
Chris Paul's contract won't age gracefully

and John Wall has perhaps the worst contract of all time thanks to his achilles injury.

Russ would probably fall somewhere after that, but to say that it's the second worst contract in the league is just stupid. I mean objectively stupid when you factor in revenue and TV broadcast coverage. It's not even the worst contract on this team.

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Who was this executive? Was it Morey?
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Post#159 » by bondom34 » Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:03 am

Osirus89 wrote:
1bigfan13 wrote:I skimmed over draft prospects on a few websites and the name that kind of intrigues me and figures to be a realistic option for OKC at pick 21 is Kentucky SG Tyler Hero. He's an elite FT shooter solid 3 PT shooter.

His Kentucky teammate, Keldon Johnson, would be a solid prospect as well. He's another guy with a decent frame and a solid jump shot.


Herro is my guy going into the draft. I want to see his combine measurements and drill numbers, but he looks like the guy. His floor is what Alex Abrines was, his ceiling is a taller, more skilled JJ Reddick.

I love Zach Lowe, but Russ's contract isn't the second worst in the league. It's not great, but its not even close to the second worst. It's not even in the top 5 worst in the league.

Blake (He is already shot judging by this years playoffs)
Wiggins (Nuff said)
Christiano Felicio
Batum (Look it up... its bad)
Kevin Love's is not great
Ian Mahinmi
Hassan Whiteside
Tim Hardaway
Mozgov (It's still got two years left at 16 mill per)
Drummond
Chris Paul's contract won't age gracefully

and John Wall has perhaps the worst contract of all time thanks to his achilles injury.

Russ would probably fall somewhere after that, but to say that it's the second worst contract in the league is just stupid. I mean objectively stupid when you factor in revenue and TV broadcast coverage. It's not even the worst contract on this team.

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Who was this executive? Was it Morey?

FWIW, it was an anonymous exec who said it apparently, the headline was quoting Lowe telling a story from an interaction. That exec is wrong.
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Post#160 » by jambalaya » Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:36 am

Here is a first draft rotation for next season if they don't change much:

RW AR PG Grantham or draftee or free agent SA 24 minutes
Hall Diallo or better PG Grantham or other Grant 12
RW Ferg or better AR Grant SA 12

You reduce the minutes of the top paid when playing well or poorly with the youth. You trade Schroder for SG or PF. If not named you are gone or riding bench. Hervey might get chance.

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