2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread

Catchall · Post #61 » by **Catchall** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:41 am

When DL talks about players in the draft who look redundant, I hope he's talking about Kabengele being comparable to Favors, Nickeil Alexander-Walker for Exum, PJ Washington for Crowder, and Keldon Johnson, Tyler Herro and Jordan Nwora for Royce and Grayson.

I really like Louis King too, but he'll need a year or two to develop his body and refine his skills at the NBA level.

Catchall · Post #62 » by **Catchall** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:47 am

Gordon Chiesa in his interview this week thought it was unlikely that the Jazz bring Rubio back. Rubio is 29 and looking for a big 3 - 4-year contract. Chiesa said he doesn't think the Jazz would make that offer to a guard who can't make open shots.

Catchall · Post #63 » by **Catchall** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:55 am

KqWIN wrote:I keep looking at Rodney Hood's profile and it makes me think, "damn, we could really use this guy". In his last (half) season with us, he average 22 pts/36 with 27% USG, 56% TS, and 9.6% TOV.

He's streaky, and a gunner, but we could really use someone who can fill it up. It was a sour ending, Hood didn't like Mitchell taking his spot. But Hood hasn't gotten the shots or opportunity he had in UTA sense. If the locker room is on board, I'm on board.

Hood is a poor man's Terrance Ross, imo.

SoCalJazzFan · Post #64 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:25 am

Catchall wrote:I like the idea of pursuing Lamb/Satoransky/Ross to give us a versatile scoring wing. We've lost Hood, Burks and may lose Korver to retirement.

I'm not hanging myself out there as a Satoransky expert, but my impression is that he is a taller Ricky Rubio who can shoot better (relatively small sample size), but is as reluctant to shoot as Ricky. I view him as a somewhat passive, pass first PG. I wouldn't view him as a wing. Lamb and/or Ross could be decent scoring wings, but it seems to me that Royce is growing into that role. Never hurts to have guys that can score on the wing, though, particularly if they aren't a liability on the other end of the floor.

AingesBurner · Post #65 » by **AingesBurner** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:50 am

Tobias Harris and PBev would be a successful off season.

PharmD · Post #66 » by **PharmD** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:48 am

GobertReport wrote:Tobias Harris and PBev would be a successful off season.

Also an impossible one tho. A max to Harris means Beverly has to sign for the 4.2M room exception which he obviously would never do.

Brogdon seems like a great fit as the Jazz equal-opportunity system has the PG playing off the ball a ton and that's what Brogdon is good at. But man it would take balls of brass to go after him. First they'd have to renounce Ricky to make him an offer. Then they'd have to make an offer so huge that there's a chance Milwaukee might not match. Then they'd have to sit and wait for 3 days while all the other guys on the market found teams.

PharmD · Post #67 » by **PharmD** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:22 am

It seems like Korver's 'considering retirement' is putting the Jazz in a really tough spot and it's exactly what i'd tell him to do if i was his agent. If he doesn't let the Jazz know by July 6th, and maybe July 1st, the Jazz will have to stretch him. There's no way the Jazz can afford to have the extra 6.3M clogging up their cap space on someone who might retire unless the plan is "bring everyone back and use the MLE".

If he lets the Jazz stretch him then retires he gets an extra 3.4M for his retirement
If he lets the Jazz stretch him he then becomes a UFA. If he signs elsewhere for a vet min contract he only loses 600k. I think he'd have his choice of team for a vet min.

wco81 · Post #68 » by **wco81** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:49 am

Lot of interesting ideas though most of them, other than pursuing Tobias Harris, seem to focus on RFAs like Brogdon, Portis.

Has ownership indicated that they're looking for certain types of players in free agency or that they're interested in making a splash in free agency?

Seems like for most of its history, the Jazz have concentrated on homegrown players. While Mitchell was a great value pick last year, recent drafts haven't turned out that well.

Really hurts for instance that Exum and Lyles didn't pan out. Hood had some moments but they ultimately let him go as well. Of course Hayward leaving was a big blow.

But what are the expectations in the fan base at large? They had a successful season after a poor start but they underperformed in their first round series and got eliminated.

Do the fans demand that the Jazz get to the WCF at least or are they content with seeing players drafted and progressing and being competitive, even if they don't get past the second round with this coach and this core group?

If the owners and front office say that as a smaller market club, they can't justify raising payroll that much, without raising ticket prices, does that fly with most of the Jazz fans?

As the only professional franchise in the city and the whole state, maybe they get more slack?

Post #69 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:32 pm

wco81 wrote:Really hurts for instance that Exum and Lyles didn't pan out.

Lyles not panning out mostly hurts the Nuggets 8-)

babyjax13 · Post #70 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 6:57 pm

wco81 wrote:Lot of interesting ideas though most of them, other than pursuing Tobias Harris, seem to focus on RFAs like Brogdon, Portis.

Has ownership indicated that they're looking for certain types of players in free agency or that they're interested in making a splash in free agency?

Seems like for most of its history, the Jazz have concentrated on homegrown players. While Mitchell was a great value pick last year, recent drafts haven't turned out that well.

Really hurts for instance that Exum and Lyles didn't pan out. Hood had some moments but they ultimately let him go as well. Of course Hayward leaving was a big blow.

But what are the expectations in the fan base at large? They had a successful season after a poor start but they underperformed in their first round series and got eliminated.

Do the fans demand that the Jazz get to the WCF at least or are they content with seeing players drafted and progressing and being competitive, even if they don't get past the second round with this coach and this core group?

If the owners and front office say that as a smaller market club, they can't justify raising payroll that much, without raising ticket prices, does that fly with most of the Jazz fans?

As the only professional franchise in the city and the whole state, maybe they get more slack?

From what I understand, Gordon Hayward delaying his announcement that he wasn't coming back cost us signing Gallinari, and that we had made an offer to Kyle Lowry and that he almost accepted it (and would have had he known DeRozan was leaving). So, we go for star players, we just don't have luck (yet) in signing them. I think we all hope this changes, and in Utah, fan expectations are high. Most people grew up with Stockton and Malone being perennial title contenders, even if they didn't make it, or the 'one-piece-away' team that was the Deron Williams Jazz (and honestly I think we underrate that team quite a bit, it had four all-stars in the starting lineup and really just had a massive hole at shooting guard). So, we expect Western Conference finals and people are going to start getting frustrated if that doesn't happen next year.

Per this year, it was clear that the FO was still unclear about what we had. Last season we had unexpected success, so I don't blame them for rerunning it and seeing if a few other guys could grow into larger roles. Exum continues to get hurt, and that's been the biggest frustration, because at times he's looked like he is about to blossom into a starting-caliber player. Royce O'neale, though, has been a revelation. Now it's time to make some personnel changes, and it looks like that starts with Rubio.

babyjax13 · Post #71 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:05 pm

Stretching Korver gets us an additional $6.4 million in cap space. I assume if he retires we do that just because it looks good from an agent's perspective and probably inspires some additional good will. I also assume he'd be joining the coaching staff afterward. Not guarenteeing Niang and Neto opens up another $3.76 million in cap space. My hope is that if we are keeping Favors we don't guarentee his contract and instead give him a multi-year deal that nets us a bit of a discount this year, maybe $14 million a year? So that opens up $14.06 million in salaries, plus the $16.8 million we'd already have, minus minimum roster charges ... so even while keeping Favors we could have $24.6-$27.5 million in cap space accounting for those roster charges.

I don't know if it's possible, but under that scenario a sign and trade of Crowder+whoever we draft+??? for Jimmy Butler would be pretty appealing, IMO. If we could also dump Exum, we could - in this absolute dream scenario, end up with Butler and Beverley.

Beverley/Mitchell/Butler/Favors/Gobert

With Ingles and O'neale as our sixth men (and Mitchell taking a lot of backup minutes at point guard) would be so scary.

Catchall · Post #72 » by **Catchall** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:49 pm

Part of me would like to see Hezonja play in Quin's system. He's the kind of guy who would benefit from some structure that lets him get into a rhythm. He's only been on crappy and chaotic teams like NY and Orl so far. He's got the tools to be a reclamation project.

Another guy who could fit our system is Kelly Oubre. I feel like he was a victim of Washington's financial problems. I always thought Oubre would be better than Hood eventually.

I wouldn't mind taking on a buy-low opportunity with some upside.

babyjax13 · Post #73 » by **babyjax13** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:54 pm

Catchall wrote:Part of me would like to see Hezonja play in Quin's system. He's the kind of guy who would benefit from some structure that lets him get into a rhythm. He's only been on crappy and chaotic teams like NY and Orl so far. He's got the tools to be a reclamation project.

Another guy who could fit our system is Kelly Oubre. I feel like he was a victim of Washington's financial problems. I always thought Oubre would be better than Hood eventually.

I wouldn't mind taking on a buy-low opportunity with some upside.

Noah Vonleh and Dragen Bender are two that appeal to me. Vonleh is only 23 and seems to be putting it together.

Crunch 99 · Post #74 » by **Crunch 99** » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:21 pm

KqWIN wrote:I keep looking at Rodney Hood's profile and it makes me think, "damn, we could really use this guy". In his last (half) season with us, he average 22 pts/36 with 27% USG, 56% TS, and 9.6% TOV.

He's streaky, and a gunner, but we could really use someone who can fill it up. It was a sour ending, Hood didn't like Mitchell taking his spot. But Hood hasn't gotten the shots or opportunity he had in UTA sense. If the locker room is on board, I'm on board.

His shooting percentages at Portland prior to the playoffs look decent as well, but I think he is just too soft, too inconsistent and misses too many games. At this point, despite Hood being able to fill it up from time to time, I would rather see Royce O'Neale get more reserve minutes.

sipclip · Post #75 » by **sipclip** » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:57 pm

Catchall wrote:Part of me would like to see Hezonja play in Quin's system. He's the kind of guy who would benefit from some structure that lets him get into a rhythm. He's only been on crappy and chaotic teams like NY and Orl so far. He's got the tools to be a reclamation project.

Another guy who could fit our system is Kelly Oubre. I feel like he was a victim of Washington's financial problems. I always thought Oubre would be better than Hood eventually.

I wouldn't mind taking on a buy-low opportunity with some upside.

I think the suns love Oubre and will match any offer if it comes to that. I do like him for our team though.

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sipclip · Post #76 » by **sipclip** » Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:59 pm

Crunch 99 wrote:
KqWIN wrote:I keep looking at Rodney Hood's profile and it makes me think, "damn, we could really use this guy". In his last (half) season with us, he average 22 pts/36 with 27% USG, 56% TS, and 9.6% TOV.

He's streaky, and a gunner, but we could really use someone who can fill it up. It was a sour ending, Hood didn't like Mitchell taking his spot. But Hood hasn't gotten the shots or opportunity he had in UTA sense. If the locker room is on board, I'm on board.

His shooting percentages at Portland prior to the playoffs look decent as well, but I think he is just too soft, too inconsistent and misses too many games. At this point, despite Hood being able to fill it up from time to time, I would rather see Royce O'Neale get more reserve minutes.

I don't feel like it has to be one or the other and at this point I doubt Hood gets any significant offer in free agency. His agent really screwed him over when he reportedly turned down our 4yr 60mil range offer. Getting back to basketball I think Hood and Royce are a nice fit together as the backup sg and sf.

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Crunch 99 · Post #77 » by **Crunch 99** » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:08 pm

sipclip wrote:
Crunch 99 wrote:
KqWIN wrote:I keep looking at Rodney Hood's profile and it makes me think, "damn, we could really use this guy". In his last (half) season with us, he average 22 pts/36 with 27% USG, 56% TS, and 9.6% TOV.

He's streaky, and a gunner, but we could really use someone who can fill it up. It was a sour ending, Hood didn't like Mitchell taking his spot. But Hood hasn't gotten the shots or opportunity he had in UTA sense. If the locker room is on board, I'm on board.

His shooting percentages at Portland prior to the playoffs look decent as well, but I think he is just too soft, too inconsistent and misses too many games. At this point, despite Hood being able to fill it up from time to time, I would rather see Royce O'Neale get more reserve minutes.

I don't feel like it has to be one or the other and at this point I doubt Hood gets any significant offer in free agency. His agent really screwed him over when he reportedly turned down our 4yr 60mil range offer. Getting back to basketball I think Hood and Royce are a nice fit together as the backup sg and sf.

Good points.

babyjax13 · Post #78 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:50 pm

Let's say that we don't get a max free agent (likely) and we don't deal with Memphis (also seems likely to me, Lindsey was LIVID). What does a successful offseason look like, then?

KqWIN · Post #79 » by **KqWIN** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:56 pm

sipclip wrote:
Catchall wrote:Part of me would like to see Hezonja play in Quin's system. He's the kind of guy who would benefit from some structure that lets him get into a rhythm. He's only been on crappy and chaotic teams like NY and Orl so far. He's got the tools to be a reclamation project.

Another guy who could fit our system is Kelly Oubre. I feel like he was a victim of Washington's financial problems. I always thought Oubre would be better than Hood eventually.

I wouldn't mind taking on a buy-low opportunity with some upside.
I think the suns love Oubre and will match any offer if it comes to that. I do like him for our team though.

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If they commit a large amount of money to Oubre, might open the path to move on from Warren. Warren is very interesting to me. He's a funky player...but if his jumper is real he could be a real asset on a team friendly deal. I want to see him away from that cancerous franchise.

Gotta worry about his health though.

babyjax13 · Post #80 » by **babyjax13** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:58 pm

KqWIN wrote:
sipclip wrote:
Catchall wrote:Part of me would like to see Hezonja play in Quin's system. He's the kind of guy who would benefit from some structure that lets him get into a rhythm. He's only been on crappy and chaotic teams like NY and Orl so far. He's got the tools to be a reclamation project.

Another guy who could fit our system is Kelly Oubre. I feel like he was a victim of Washington's financial problems. I always thought Oubre would be better than Hood eventually.

I wouldn't mind taking on a buy-low opportunity with some upside.
I think the suns love Oubre and will match any offer if it comes to that. I do like him for our team though.

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If they commit a large amount of money to Oubre, might open the path to move on from Warren. Warren is very interesting to me. He's a funky player...but if his jumper is real he could be a real asset on a team friendly deal. I want to see him away from that cancerous franchise.

I'd prefer Warren, too, and I think he might be the odd-man out there.

23 for Warren
2 2nds for Olynyk?

It'd be kind of a deflating offseason if the expectation was a star player, but I think if we had some additional spacing and another scorer we would have had a nice chance against Houston.