Pascal Siakam Megathread - All Siakam-centric topics will be merged into this one

[seanbig]

I’m surprised he showed up like the anti Lowry or anti demar in the playoffs

So efficient and that length

[LBJKB24MJ23]

And dude is a playoff performer.

That's the most important thing.

At the beginning of this year - Siakam's 3 point shooting was suspect. Everyone said his spin move was counterable.

Siakam is a one of kind player. There is no one like him and he plays the PF spot which makes him even more special.

Guards 1-5 and is an improving shooter from all ranges. Brings the ball up and initiates the offense. He's a special player. Witness something special in the making.


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[Novocaine]

Always rated Siakam, always knew he was gonna be a player since his prep school days. He's even better than I predicted and I was predicting him to be good - always thought he was going to be an elite defender, and a high-level offensive roleplayer, but his shot-creation and playmaking have become very solid. He's at least 25 years old, so I don't expect the same degree of improvement moving forward, but I can see him being an occasional All-Star and a regular All-D team.

That said, RPM is an awful stat (like all catch-all stats) and anyone even comparing it to TS% as if they're even remotely similar simply has no clue about statistics. I'm not even sure what makes a stat "objective", but TS% is just as objective as eFG% or FG% - actually a bit less because of the FT adjustment weight?

Get that garbage outta here dude.

Huh? What exactly do you disagree with? Dont' waste our time with comments like that.

[Jaqua92]

Some people acting like he's a future star.

Think that's premature. Maybe an Andre Iquadala like player in terms of overall career. A few all star performances. A few seasons as a top 20 all star player

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[picc]

There are not 30 players better than him in the league.

[jamesd]

Some people acting like he's a future star.

Think that's premature. Maybe an Andre Iquadala like player in terms of overall career. A few all star performances. A few seasons as a top 20 all star player

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Top 20 and several All-Star appearances is a star. So, good point?

[Jakay]

It's hard to say where Siakim goes from here. No one really saw him being this good already, so it's hard to say he won't get better again. Honestly the first year, when he was starting for most of the season he seemed like a nice piece in time, but nothing more than stop gap solution at PF.

Not complaining, but there's a certain non-Moreyball aspect missing to his game still. He's just great around the basket, and he doesn't have many holes now, and obviously his outside shot isn't a fluke, but he has no midrange game really, and not much creativity from 10-20 feet. Hard to say if that's really important, but I feel like operating out of the high post is a something he should be naturally excellent at, yet rarely does. Maybe I just haven't seen it, haven't seen a lot of games this year.

[SF_Warriors]

the moment i saw gallinari, i knew this was a troll post

Gallo was definitely one of the top 30 players in the league this past season, anyone saying otherwise wasn’t paying attention.

You picked the wrong guy out of that list to make your smart ass comment about.

Gallinari was amazing this season (this season might just be better than his 2016-17 season in Denver) but I'd rather have Siakam over him. Especially considering that Siakam scored a ton of points efficiently in the playoffs against the one team he was supposed to struggle mightily against (Orlando Magic), while Gallinari hasn't been good at all in the postseason.

Gallinari helped lead his team to the playoffs, 20ppg with a 63% TS...someone saying he doesnt belong in the discussion for top 30 this season is definitely not paying attention.

Would personally want siakam over him. Having such a better season than I would have thought he could have had this year.

[tdotrep2]

It's hard to say where Siakim goes from here. No one really saw him being this good already, so it's hard to say he won't get better again. Honestly the first year, when he was starting for most of the season he seemed like a nice piece in time, but nothing more than stop gap solution at PF.

Not complaining, but there's a certain non-Moreyball aspect missing to his game still. He's just great around the basket, and he doesn't have many holes now, and obviously his outside shot isn't a fluke, but he has no midrange game really, and not much creativity from 10-20 feet. Hard to say if that's really important, but I feel like operating out of the high post is a something he should be naturally excellent at, yet rarely does. Maybe I just haven't seen it, haven't seen a lot of games this year.

thats his next step, he's shown some flashes at creating from midrange and he works on it hes just not confident yet because he knows he can get a better look going to the basket so he opts for that. I think next season we will see him instead of always backing down his man try to create space for the shot. Once he gets this down i don't think you can guard this kid.

[J_Magic]

I think he plays like a young Kawhi Leonard...just very efficient style.

[Jiminy Glick]

With him playing well the Raptors can beat the Warriors in the finals because they have a much deeper team. Him defending Durant would be interesting.

[GordanFreeman]

Always rated Siakam, always knew he was gonna be a player since his prep school days. He's even better than I predicted and I was predicting him to be good - always thought he was going to be an elite defender, and a high-level offensive roleplayer, but his shot-creation and playmaking have become very solid. He's at least 25 years old, so I don't expect the same degree of improvement moving forward, but I can see him being an occasional All-Star and a regular All-D team.

That said, RPM is an awful stat (like all catch-all stats) and anyone even comparing it to TS% as if they're even remotely similar simply has no clue about statistics. I'm not even sure what makes a stat "objective", but TS% is just as objective as eFG% or FG% - actually a bit less because of the FT adjustment weight?

Get that garbage outta here dude.

Huh? What exactly do you disagree with? Dont' waste our time with comments like that.

The bolded part. What are you insinuating?

[Uncle Dennis]

So far this post season, he's shooting 42% from 3 on 4.3 attempts per game. Just incredible improvement in pretty much all aspects of his game, but his ability to contribute from 3 is huge. Last year Siakam only had 1 game of 20+ points, and this year I've lost count of how many he's had.

[everdiso]

Some people acting like he's a future star.

Not a future star.

A current star.

[RaptorsLife]

Some people acting like he's a future star.

Think that's premature. Maybe an Andre Iquadala like player in terms of overall career. A few all star performances. A few seasons as a top 20 all star player

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He’s already star. Nothing future about it

[RaptorsLife]

I think he plays like a young Kawhi Leonard...just very efficient style.

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[mcmurphy]

Some people acting like he's a future star.

Think that's premature. Maybe an Andre Iquadala like player in terms of overall career. A few all star performances. A few seasons as a top 20 all star player

His 3rd season is the mirror of 4th season of Kawhi, with if possible a better post-season

maybe is premature but...

[Novocaine]

Get that garbage outta here dude.

Huh? What exactly do you disagree with? Dont' waste our time with comments like that.

The bolded part. What are you insinuating?

Ugh, if I even dreamed it was that sentence I wouldn't have bothered to look up on the web version.

The point is that one's level of confidence on Siakam's stated aged must be tempered. Age fabrication is endemic in African sports camps/teams/schools/etc. There's plenty of hard data in that - just look at FIFA tests on U-17 teams; besides an abundance of testimony and circumstantial evidence. I've known Siakam for a long time. Actually, just read these comments:
viewtopic.php?p=74439205#p74439205

As you can imagine, I'm pretty comfortable with my views on Siakam, especially compared with those of any Raptors fans.

If you're one of those emotional people who struggles with coping with more unpleasant information, I don't know, just find a way of dealing with it. I don't care about any of that. I'll just keep saying whatever I believe it's relevant to say, regardless of how you feel about it.

[everdiso]

Huh? What exactly do you disagree with? Dont' waste our time with comments like that.

The bolded part. What are you insinuating?

Ugh, if I even dreamed it was that sentence I wouldn't have bothered to look up on the web version.

The point is that one's level of confidence on Siakam's stated aged must be tempered. Age fabrication is endemic in African sports camps/teams/schools/etc. There's plenty of hard data in that - just look at FIFA tests on U-17 teams; besides an abundance of testimony and circumstantial evidence. I've known Siakam for a long time. Actually, just read these comments:
viewtopic.php?p=74439205#p74439205

As you can imagine, I'm pretty comfortable with my views on Siakam, especially compared with those of any Raptors fans.

If you're one of those emotional people who struggles with coping with more unpleasant information, I don't know, just find a way of dealing with it. I don't care about any of that. I'll just keep saying whatever I believe it's relevant to say, regardless of how you feel about it.

weird to resort to racist cliches when Siakam's growth curve seems age defying even for his 24yrs, let alone an even older player.

[Novocaine]

The bolded part. What are you insinuating?

Ugh, if I even dreamed it was that sentence I wouldn't have bothered to look up on the web version.

The point is that one's level of confidence on Siakam's stated aged must be tempered. Age fabrication is endemic in African sports camps/teams/schools/etc. There's plenty of hard data in that - just look at FIFA tests on U-17 teams; besides an abundance of testimony and circumstantial evidence. I've known Siakam for a long time. Actually, just read these comments:
viewtopic.php?p=74439205#p74439205

As you can imagine, I'm pretty comfortable with my views on Siakam, especially compared with those of any Raptors fans.

If you're one of those emotional people who struggles with coping with more unpleasant information, I don't know, just find a way of dealing with it. I don't care about any of that. I'll just keep saying whatever I believe it's relevant to say, regardless of how you feel about it.

weird to resort to racist cliches when Siakam's growth curve seems age defying even for his 24yrs, let alone an even older player.

Yeah, I'm the guy who has known Siakam since he's been in the US and followed him in prep school but you're the guy who's going to teach me anything about his "growth curve". How about this: we compare our takes on Siakam from the past and see who was closer to correct?

As for the idea that well established (unfortunate) facts are "racist clichés", I don't have time for craziness. I'll let know the people who are actually putting work to sort out that issue that there's some teen in America who thinks it's just "racist clichés" and their lives are a waste.