The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

[Bum Adebayo]

Yeah he was decent overall, but still he is not worth the max if he can't carry a scoring load, offense trumps defense any day of the week. So while he was solid, the problem is, it is not enough if we are to max him and have a remote chance to win, right now he is playing like a high end role player with low usage.

[51X3RF4N]

I'd rather Ben work with Kobe over the summer, instead of Magic. Or AI, or Jimmy Butler, or Tobias Harris, or Drew Hanlon, or literally any professional shooting coach.

Why emphasize working with someone who did the same types of things you're already capable of doing, rather than someone who can help you truly evolve your game??

[eyeatoma]

I'd rather Ben work with Kobe over the summer, instead of Magic. Or AI, or Jimmy Butler, or Tobias Harris, or Drew Hanlon, or literally any professional shooting coach.

Why emphasize working with someone who did the same types of things you're already capable of doing, rather than someone who can help you truly evolve your game??

Ben refuses to open himself to criticism. It would be great for him to work with Kobe, but I can't see it. Kobe would rip apart his game, and Ben wouldn't be able to handle it.

[Tomjas]

I'd rather Ben work with Kobe over the summer, instead of Magic. Or AI, or Jimmy Butler, or Tobias Harris, or Drew Hanlon, or literally any professional shooting coach.

Why emphasize working with someone who did the same types of things you're already capable of doing, rather than someone who can help you truly evolve your game??

Ben refuses to open himself to criticism. It would be great for him to work with Kobe, but I can't see it. Kobe would rip apart his game, and Ben wouldn't be able to handle it.

lol

Best way to get a response from him is to criticise

Fans boo

Career best game

Dudley

Series MVP

[nurseryc]

if you want Simmons to develop his offensive game then why bring in players that stunt his offensive development. How can he grow offensively and one day be ‘the guy’ when the current construction of the team doesn’t allow for it. Yes players like Butler and Tobias might help us short term and fill a current need, long term and they restrict Simmons becoming the player he could potentially be. The bucks did it right with developing Giannis, the Sixers to date have failed, plain and simple.

[kio80]

if you want Simmons to develop his offensive game then why bring in players that stunt his offensive development. How can he grow offensively and one day be ‘the guy’ when the current construction of the team doesn’t allow for it. Yes players like Butler and Tobias might help us short term and fill a current need, long term and they restrict Simmons becoming the player he could potentially be. The bucks did it right with developing Giannis, the Sixers to date have failed, plain and simple.

I agree 100%.
I called that butler trade a bad one, simply too shortsighted on the management’s part.
They won’t be able to get past 2 nd round, let alone being a contender, they shoulda kept their role players and draft picks and develop ben.


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[PhillyPhilly]

if you want Simmons to develop his offensive game then why bring in players that stunt his offensive development. How can he grow offensively and one day be ‘the guy’ when the current construction of the team doesn’t allow for it. Yes players like Butler and Tobias might help us short term and fill a current need, long term and they restrict Simmons becoming the player he could potentially be. The bucks did it right with developing Giannis, the Sixers to date have failed, plain and simple.

Er Ben won roy in his first year and is an all-star in his second year. Two things Giannis didn't get close to in his first two years in the league. Also what is Ben being "restricted" from? You could put Ben alongside four scrubs if you like, it might make Ben look better in your eyes but if he still can't shoot then what difference would it make? Ben's future is in his own hands. By developing a jumper it would not only take his game to the next level but the whole team too.

[kio80]

Ben’s usage rate is 12% in the first game in Toronto, Tobias doesn’t even want to pass the ball bringing it up court, Jimmy demands the ball a lot of the time when he wants in half court situations. Embiid gets pissed off when Ben fights for rebounds with extreme tunnel vision low post, he’s missed Ben’s open cuts more than 3 times in the last game, compare to what other players such as Mitchell and even Sexton/ SGA, he’s not getting the touches he’s suppose to most of the time.
And you are right, he’s ROTY and an all star, but he’s not getting his usage like he’s supposed to most of the time.



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[AirP.]

Ben’s usage rate is 12% in the first game in Toronto, Tobias doesn’t even want to pass the ball bringing it up court, Jimmy demands the ball a lot of the time when he wants in half court situations. Embiid gets pissed off when Ben fights for rebounds with extreme tunnel vision low post, he’s missed Ben’s open cuts more than 3 times in the last game, compare to what other players such as Mitchell and even Sexton/ SGA, he’s not getting the touches he’s suppose to most of the time.
And you are right, he’s ROTY and an all star, but he’s not getting his usage like he’s supposed to most of the time.

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In game 1 against Toronto, the touches went this way
1. Simmons 82
1. Harris 82
3. Embiid 78
4. Butler 59
5. Redick 41

Harris' touches including bringing down the ball(instead of Simmons or Butler) and initiating the offense was way up for a guy who missed 11 of 17 shots and had 5 TOs. I'm really confused why T.Harris(who is supposed to help to space) is handling the ball so much, even bringing it up as much as he did. Redick's touches went up greatly also and Butler, Butler gets his roleplayer touches.

1st round average touches
1. Simmons 76.6
2. Embiid 63.5
3. Harris 57.8
4. Butler 48
5. M.Scott 32.2
6. Redick 27

[shlo]

if you want Simmons to develop his offensive game then why bring in players that stunt his offensive development. How can he grow offensively and one day be ‘the guy’ when the current construction of the team doesn’t allow for it. Yes players like Butler and Tobias might help us short term and fill a current need, long term and they restrict Simmons becoming the player he could potentially be. The bucks did it right with developing Giannis, the Sixers to date have failed, plain and simple.

I agree 100%.
I called that butler trade a bad one, simply too shortsighted on the management’s part.
They won’t be able to get past 2 nd round, let alone being a contender, they shoulda kept their role players and draft picks and develop ben.


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If the Sixers want to win now, they need Butler and Harris. Ben Simmons is close to useless in a tight, half court game. He had all season long to work on developing the weaknesses in his game (outside shooting, free throw shooting, poor touch when driving to the basket, and fear of getting fouled on drives to the basket that force him to throw up weird shots to avoid contact). The 2nd round of the playoffs is not the time for Simmons to be working on this. Regular season and offseason. He can work on it then. I'm still not convinced he's ever going to get a shot and am curious to see how he can develop into a better player without it.

[SixthStreet]

But I also think Simmons is on the wrong track if he’s using Magic as his template to stardom. Defensively is where he will make his mark. I’d be more comfortable if he looked to the template of Scottie Pippen as his goal. Suffocating perimeter defensive menace first combined with point forward playmaking and secondary ballhandler and scorer.

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Atta boy, Ben! You play like current era Pippen like you did in Game 2 every game and I won't ever criticize your lack of shooting and scoring.

[Bum Adebayo]

Again, a player like Simmons in his current role is very, very useful, Butler is having the ball in his hands more. One just needs to understand if it is enough to give him max money, because his offense is very disappoiting. Are you giving the max to a player whose main value is playing good or great defense against other superstars? because all I've been hearing here lately is that defense has much less importance than offense, and that a star needs to carry dat scoring load.

[brannigan73]

This guy should officially be on the clock with the Sixers. He has to improve his offensive game this off-season. Its non negotiable. Embiid is a ticking time bomb healthwise. He does not synergise well with Embiid or playoff basketball at all with his current offensive game if he is going to be a point guard. They will be kicking themselves if they let this series slip away. He would also bring a lot back in a trade. Not saying trade him now I wouldnt even seriously consider it until this time next year if he hasnt improved and they are still not getting further in the playoffs but it shouldnt be a crazy idea to ponder. The goal is to win Championships while Embiid still upright.

[Xonn11]

It looks like Jamal Murray should have been the first pick in the draft instead of Ben Simmons, he's a great player.

[Daytonflores]

It looks like Jamal Murray should have been the first pick in the draft instead of Ben Simmons, he's a great player.

Big fan of Jamal

But lol

[wentz]

does SImmons actually work on his jump shot ??

there is literally no improvement in last few years

[76ciology]

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[76ciology]

It looks like Jamal Murray should have been the first pick in the draft instead of Ben Simmons, he's a great player.

BC’s fault

[WestGOAT]

I don't see a reason to be optimistic about Simmons magically improving his jumpshot this off-season. The guy grew up in a professional basketball environment, his dad was a pro and it's not like he learned to play basketball on the streets. It's bizarre that he is shooting with the wrong hand.

It's such a shame though. Because he's probably the most gifted young player talent wise in the league.

[76ciology]

..i’d rather work on Embiid developing his shooting. That is more realistic and would be better for Embiid’s development. You just watch how unstoppable he looked in G3.