Pistons Salaries (Actual vs Market)

Moses ShamMoses · Post #1 » by **Moses ShamMoses** » Sun Apr 28, 2019 3:33 pm

Hey guys, I thought it would be fun to make a list of Pistons on non-rookie scale contracts and put their current salary and there 'actual market value' salary next to it. The market price is what you think the player is worth in the open market. If the player makes more than their market value they may have negative value or be harder to move, on the flip side, if the player is playing beyond their salary they should be easy to move and have good value around the league. Make your lists or provide feedback in the comments.

Blake Griffin: $31.8M (salary) / $31.8M (market) --- His contract seems fine especially for teams making to add a final piece

Andre Drummond: $25.4M (salary) / $18M (market) --- I think he is overpaid a bit making him a little tougher to move

Reggie Jackson: $17M (salary) / $12M (market) --- If he can stay healthy and maintain his 2nd half production into next year, I think he can boast his market price up to his salary (fingers crossed!). I think teams are skeptical though and need to see more.

Jon Leuer: $10M (salary) / $2.3M (market) --- I was debating if he even gets a contract but I think somebody picks him up for the vet min like he should have been making ALL ALONG (Thanks SVG...)

Langston Galloway: $7M (salary) / $4M (market) ---- This was a tough one to gauge for me. I think he is overpaid but their is a market beyond vet min for shooters. Seems like the type easy to move in a bigger deal.

Ish Smith: $6M (salary) / $7M (market) --- He probably has played above his pay grade for the Pistons; I think he is due for a small raise by some team or the Pistons.

Glenn Robinson: $4M (salary) / $2M (market) --- I think the "potential" luster is gone and he is just a depth wing at this point for the min.

Wayne Ellington: $2.4M (salary) / $8M (market) --- seems like a MLE type guy who can start or come off the bench and not hurt you.

Jose Calderon / Zaza Paculia: $2.4M min deals / $0 (market) --- I think both are out of the league next year

7r5ur · Post #2 » by **7r5ur** » Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:23 pm

With other bigs like Steven Adams, DeAndre Jordan, Whiteside, Marc Gasol, Ibaka, Kevin Love, etc all in the mid-20M per year range, I don't see how Andre's market really much less than what it is.

Is he worth it? Nah, but that's not the market. Then again, I also think Blake isn't worth his deal as the 5th highest paid player given that you can't count on his body to last a full season.

Manocad · Post #3 » by **Manocad** » Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:11 pm

You've got a pretty liberal definition of fun.

Just breakin' yer balls.

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Moses ShamMoses · Post #4 » by **Moses ShamMoses** » Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:25 pm

BDM22 wrote:With other bigs like Steven Adams, DeAndre Jordan, Whiteside, Marc Gasol, Ibaka, Kevin Love, etc all in the mid-20M per year range, I don't see how Andre's market really much less than what it is.

Is he worth it? Nah, but that's not the market. Then again, I also think Blake isn't worth his deal as the 5th highest paid player given that you can't count on his body to last a full season.

The problem with Andre making 25-30M is he really doesn't give you much more than elite rebounding and solid defensive play. He is more limited offensively then all those you mentioned outside of DeAndre Jordan but he is better at playing to his strengths.

Billl · Post #5 » by **Billl** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:07 pm

I don't think there is any team that would pay reggie $12 million. He would be a 3rd guard on decent teams and none of the rebuilding teams would sign him to big-ish money. He might be able to get an MLE deal if he embraces coming off the bench.

I don't think ellington is going to get MLE money either. His current production probably deserves it, but he's going to turn 32 right after the start of the season. Someone might give him a 1 year deal at that (maybe even us), but I doubt anyone commits longer term to him (really, really hope we don't)

Ish? That's a tougher one for me. I doubt he gets an MLE offer. He's be 31 this off season too. I can't imagine many team would look at him for a 3 year deal. He's actually be a solid guy for a rebuilding team to pick up though. If you've got a handful of young guys to develop, you can toss them out there with Ish and play up tempo.

DBC10 · Post #6 » by **DBC10** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:32 pm

Yeah, no way Reggie is better than Lou Williams and he's making like 6 million and just destroyed the Warriors in 2 home court appearances. I'm not sure there really is a market that is tailored for Reggie and his injury prone knees.

Dre, however, is getting overpaid, there's no way around it. In fact, most young centers that are headlining a playoff team are. 18 a year would be extremely workable and I wish that was what he was getting.

Moses ShamMoses · Post #7 » by **Moses ShamMoses** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:24 pm

Good call on Reggie not being worth 12M...I think i was influenced by his recent play a bit too much. I'm guessing MLE like others have said at this point due to injury history and the fact their are really good point guards across the league. Still better value than Jon Leuer lol

7r5ur · Post #8 » by **7r5ur** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:14 pm

DBC10 wrote:Yeah, no way Reggie is better than Lou Williams and he's making like 6 million and just destroyed the Warriors in 2 home court appearances. I'm not sure there really is a market that is tailored for Reggie and his injury prone knees.

Dre, however, is getting overpaid, there's no way around it. In fact, most young centers that are headlining a playoff team are. 18 a year would be extremely workable and I wish that was what he was getting.

But Lou Williams is playing far above his contract. That's by far an exception to the rule. Most guys making 6 million per year are role players near the end of the rotation. Not go-to scorers.

7r5ur · Post #9 » by **7r5ur** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:25 pm

Moses ShamMoses wrote:
BDM22 wrote:With other bigs like Steven Adams, DeAndre Jordan, Whiteside, Marc Gasol, Ibaka, Kevin Love, etc all in the mid-20M per year range, I don't see how Andre's market really much less than what it is.

Is he worth it? Nah, but that's not the market. Then again, I also think Blake isn't worth his deal as the 5th highest paid player given that you can't count on his body to last a full season.

The problem with Andre making 25-30M is he really doesn't give you much more than elite rebounding and solid defensive play. He is more limited offensively then all those you mentioned outside of DeAndre Jordan but he is better at playing to his strengths.

And yet he scores more than all of them. People take his putbacks and rim-running for granted simply because he makes it look easy.

Grass is always greener. I get it. Lopez is a bad matchup for him and the Bucks could basically hone in on only him because Blake was out and then hobbled when he finally did play, so people want to forget that he dragged this G-league roster into the playoffs while Blake was injured.

DBC10 · Post #10 » by **DBC10** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:06 pm

BDM22 wrote:
DBC10 wrote:Yeah, no way Reggie is better than Lou Williams and he's making like 6 million and just destroyed the Warriors in 2 home court appearances. I'm not sure there really is a market that is tailored for Reggie and his injury prone knees.

Dre, however, is getting overpaid, there's no way around it. In fact, most young centers that are headlining a playoff team are. 18 a year would be extremely workable and I wish that was what he was getting.

But Lou Williams is playing far above his contract. That's by far an exception to the rule. Most guys making 6 million per year are role players near the end of the rotation. Not go-to scorers.

All I'm doing is agreeing with the OP. It'd be a hard market for him to even get 10 million a year if he was a free agent right now.

Invictus88 · Post #11 » by **Invictus88** » Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:55 pm

DBC10 wrote:
BDM22 wrote:
DBC10 wrote:Yeah, no way Reggie is better than Lou Williams and he's making like 6 million and just destroyed the Warriors in 2 home court appearances. I'm not sure there really is a market that is tailored for Reggie and his injury prone knees.

Dre, however, is getting overpaid, there's no way around it. In fact, most young centers that are headlining a playoff team are. 18 a year would be extremely workable and I wish that was what he was getting.

But Lou Williams is playing far above his contract. That's by far an exception to the rule. Most guys making 6 million per year are role players near the end of the rotation. Not go-to scorers.

All I'm doing is agreeing with the OP. It'd be a hard market for him to even get 10 million a year if he was a free agent right now.

Lou Williams is basically the next incarnation of Jamal Crawford. It's funny. Every time I see him I think he is so young. I can't believe he is already 32...

whitehops · Post #12 » by **whitehops** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:52 pm

Moses ShamMoses wrote:Reggie Jackson: $17M (salary) / $12M (market) --- If he can stay healthy and maintain his 2nd half production into next year, I think he can boast his market price up to his salary (fingers crossed!). I think teams are skeptical though and need to see more.

i think that's actually the perfect value for him. imo his best role is coming off the bench and using his ball-dominant pick and roll ability to lead less talented bench players. reggie isn't talented enough to effectively be a lead guard on a good team (like lillard, curry, walker, etc.).

guys like that generally get paid ~$12 million/year are guys like clarkson, waiters, etc. it'd be hard to argue that jackson deserves less than that, but at the same time i don't think jackson is worth ~$15 million like bledsoe/shroder.

Moses ShamMoses · Post #13 » by **Moses ShamMoses** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:05 pm

whitehops wrote:
Moses ShamMoses wrote:Reggie Jackson: $17M (salary) / $12M (market) --- If he can stay healthy and maintain his 2nd half production into next year, I think he can boast his market price up to his salary (fingers crossed!). I think teams are skeptical though and need to see more.

i think that's actually the perfect value for him. imo his best role is coming off the bench and using his ball-dominant pick and roll ability to lead less talented bench players. reggie isn't talented enough to effectively be a lead guard on a good team (like lillard, curry, walker, etc.).

guys like that generally get paid ~$12 million/year are guys like clarkson, waiters, etc. it'd be hard to argue that jackson deserves less than that, but at the same time i don't think jackson is worth ~$15 million like bledsoe/shroder.

If Reggie can stay relatively healthy next year and play well, I think he can get a 2 year 24M deal or something similar. I mean Avery Bradley got a 2/$25M LOL.

Post #14 » by **Snakebites** » Wed May 1, 2019 4:52 pm

BDM22 wrote:
DBC10 wrote:Yeah, no way Reggie is better than Lou Williams and he's making like 6 million and just destroyed the Warriors in 2 home court appearances. I'm not sure there really is a market that is tailored for Reggie and his injury prone knees.

Dre, however, is getting overpaid, there's no way around it. In fact, most young centers that are headlining a playoff team are. 18 a year would be extremely workable and I wish that was what he was getting.

But Lou Williams is playing far above his contract. That's by far an exception to the rule. Most guys making 6 million per year are role players near the end of the rotation. Not go-to scorers.

Lou is one of the most team friendly contracts in the league.

Reggie is still way overpaid though.