Igor fired - New Coaching Search Discussion

[bwgood77]

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If he had decided on Lakers already, why take a 2nd interview??

No one has given him an offer. They interviewed him twice.

[bwgood77]

Budenholzer situation all over again.

Coach Bud used us as a leverage to get out of Atlanta.
Monty will use us to get more money from LA.

Except this time we have the more attractive roster.

That's hard to argue based on results. And they do have one of the NBA's best players of all time.

[bwgood77]

Except this time we have the more attractive roster.

Lebron Ball Kuzma Ingram and cap space is a good start.


Just different expectations for each market

But remember coach like Monty is ideally looking at staying for at least 5-10 years. LA could be really bad in 1-2 years as Lebron ages, while we are on the upside.

Well in that case, we will have a hard time convincing him. Sarver has never had a coach lasting more than 4 years. Even D'Antoni averaging 58 wins was let go, though this was in part because of Kerr wanting him to hire a defensive guy or change his philosophy..but may have had something to do with money too. And Gentry lasted less than 4 years. Hornacek lasted less than 3 and the other 5 lasted on average less than a year. 74.2 games on average.

[Crives]

Lebron Ball Kuzma Ingram and cap space is a good start.


Just different expectations for each market

But remember coach like Monty is ideally looking at staying for at least 5-10 years. LA could be really bad in 1-2 years as Lebron ages, while we are on the upside.

Well in that case, we will have a hard time convincing him. Sarver has never had a coach lasting more than 4 years. Even D'Antoni averaging 58 wins was let go, though this was in part because of Kerr wanting him to hire a defensive guy or change his philosophy..but may have had something to do with money too. And Gentry lasted less than 4 years. Hornacek lasted less than 3 and the other 5 lasted on average less than a year. 74.2 games on average.

Definitely.
That’s why Jones needs to convince Monty we are changing the culture, hopefully Sarver is there to tell Monty he has made mistakes in the past and is officially stepping back and letting Jones/Bower make the decisions.

[Damkac]

Sham-shot: Suns will interview Monty Williams again this week with Sarver as part of the process.

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With $arver?
He will run away and agree to coach Lakers for free.

[BobbieL]

But remember coach like Monty is ideally looking at staying for at least 5-10 years. LA could be really bad in 1-2 years as Lebron ages, while we are on the upside.

Well in that case, we will have a hard time convincing him. Sarver has never had a coach lasting more than 4 years. Even D'Antoni averaging 58 wins was let go, though this was in part because of Kerr wanting him to hire a defensive guy or change his philosophy..but may have had something to do with money too. And Gentry lasted less than 4 years. Hornacek lasted less than 3 and the other 5 lasted on average less than a year. 74.2 games on average.

Definitely.
That’s why Jones needs to convince Monty we are changing the culture, hopefully Sarver is there to tell Monty he has made mistakes in the past and is officially stepping back and letting Jones/Bower make the decisions.

I think the Lakers have the better roster, cap space and LeBron. That being said, if Monty wants to feel like he can build something and gets assurances that SArver will not be around telling him how to design a pick and pop for Ayton and Booker or Sarver tells Jones/Bower one week "spend the money" and two weeks later "wait, don't spend it" - maybe Monty takes the job

culture change is the big thing. Can Jones Bower convince Monty of that with the Suns.

Hence, I am fine letting Nelson go to the New Orleans. Plus , maybe Nelson wanted a new challenge. Let him try or expand his career. 26 years with Phoenix.

[Kerrsed]

Except this time we have the more attractive roster.

Lebron Ball Kuzma Ingram and cap space is a good start.


Just different expectations for each market

But remember coach like Monty is ideally looking at staying for at least 5-10 years. LA could be really bad in 1-2 years as Lebron ages, while we are on the upside.

.......and we also have a history of burning through 8 coaches in 10 years.

[Crives]

Well in that case, we will have a hard time convincing him. Sarver has never had a coach lasting more than 4 years. Even D'Antoni averaging 58 wins was let go, though this was in part because of Kerr wanting him to hire a defensive guy or change his philosophy..but may have had something to do with money too. And Gentry lasted less than 4 years. Hornacek lasted less than 3 and the other 5 lasted on average less than a year. 74.2 games on average.

Definitely.
That’s why Jones needs to convince Monty we are changing the culture, hopefully Sarver is there to tell Monty he has made mistakes in the past and is officially stepping back and letting Jones/Bower make the decisions.

I think the Lakers have the better roster, cap space and LeBron. That being said, if Monty wants to feel like he can build something and gets assurances that SArver will not be around telling him how to design a pick and pop for Ayton and Booker or Sarver tells Jones/Bower one week "spend the money" and two weeks later "wait, don't spend it" - maybe Monty takes the job

culture change is the big thing. Can Jones Bower convince Monty of that with the Suns.

Hence, I am fine letting Nelson go to the New Orleans. Plus , maybe Nelson wanted a new challenge. Let him try or expand his career. 26 years with Phoenix.

Let’s hope Sarver is changing.

[BobbieL]

Definitely.
That’s why Jones needs to convince Monty we are changing the culture, hopefully Sarver is there to tell Monty he has made mistakes in the past and is officially stepping back and letting Jones/Bower make the decisions.

I think the Lakers have the better roster, cap space and LeBron. That being said, if Monty wants to feel like he can build something and gets assurances that SArver will not be around telling him how to design a pick and pop for Ayton and Booker or Sarver tells Jones/Bower one week "spend the money" and two weeks later "wait, don't spend it" - maybe Monty takes the job

culture change is the big thing. Can Jones Bower convince Monty of that with the Suns.

Hence, I am fine letting Nelson go to the New Orleans. Plus , maybe Nelson wanted a new challenge. Let him try or expand his career. 26 years with Phoenix.

Let’s hope Sarver is changing.

Dudley said Monty would be a good fit for the Suns. So thats another plus to me for Monty. I do wish SArver would stay out of things and just let his people do their job. I actually have moved my own person odds of Monty to the Suns based on a second interview from like 20% to around 35%.

[Phystic]

Jeebus.... you guys are gettin really muddy now.

Is there a chance that this is a good thing ? Aside from the long felt animosity towards Sarver (that I shared in the pre-enlightenment age) I contend the Front Office is better now that McDisparagingComments is gone, that Jones is in charge, that Bower (an experienced hire) is with us....AND that a new coaching search is on. (Heck even fan fav Zwicker is working for us) The roster was miraculously trimmed of dead weight while adding two legit contributors mid season that actually semi-turned-the-corner for us. A small ray of sunshine, but one that was/is severely under rated. But no credit to Bob.

I look at this a long process of weeding out what has plagued us for the past 5 yrs. Both the prospective coaches , Williams and Vanterpool, are extremely well thought of league wide AND will aid in attracting players here. Im not sure you can say that with Igor, the attracting players part. Like it or not, we are going to need a player wanting to come here to get him. Also, Isn't it possible the 'team' may have been part of this decision?

No boys, go ahead pissnmoan and dump on Sarver all you want, but this was a JONES / BOWER decision that was made with BobbyS knowing full well he'd take the heat and look the crazy villain owner. BTW, any of these outcasted former coaches gone on to anything significant ? You can say a few front office boys are still involved (Kerr, Griffin, etc) but all in all, this is perhaps the best fresh start we've had in quite a while...

We have the talent, another offseason where practically anything can happen as we have picks, some tradable players, and remarkably cap space if we need it to get a few more pieces (a coach too) to this fan-jaded puzzle. So be it. Clean slate for Jones and Bower and(?) to operate and build 'their' team. Igor was not their guy.

As you likely have figured, I think we have a sound FO in charge and with the hiring of a new coach, will be surrounding this so called scourge-ish owner with highly respected members of the NBA community. So much more to look forward to than the demise of Robert Sarver. Hate to see you guys disappointed. In fact, Im buying a hat today in support of my solidarity. Im on this bandwagon and gladly taking seat assignments. 'come on everybody...we're going streaking through the quad!!!'


You dark clouders are not going to rainout my parade.

Bolded part specifically, you honestly believe this was Jones working with full autonomy? There's no way Sarver wasn't involved. Zero chance.

As for our cast-off's have done, obviously Dantoni has moved around and ended up well in Houston. Few others have gotten coaching jobs, but if their lack of quality resume building is evidence that it was the correct call terminating them then shouldn't it also bring into question the decision to hire them in the first place?

[Kerrsed]

I do want to speak on the Hiring of Riccardo Fois tidbit. I think that Stein has it a bit twisted. As others have pointed out, why would the FO hire someone to fill a role that usually is done by the head coach? Simple answer is that we arnt. Most likely we are hiring him to do the same job he is currently doing in Gonzaga, which is being the "Coordinator of Basketball Analytics and Video Operations". Makes sense, specially when you remember that we just fired the guys last week who were currently holding that title for us, and is something usually a FO hires for.

[MathiasPW]

I do want to speak on the Hiring of Riccardo Fois tidbit. I think that Stein has it a bit twisted. As others have pointed out, why would the FO hire someone to fill a role that usually is done by the head coach? Simple answer is that we arnt. Most likely we are hiring him to do the same job he is currently doing in Gonzaga, which is being the "Coordinator of Basketball Analytics and Video Operations". Makes sense, specially when you remember that we just fired the guys last week who were currently holding that title for us, and is something usually a FO hires for.

Good catch.

But his job title and the job description provided by Stein are not related, at all.

[Kerrsed]

I do want to speak on the Hiring of Riccardo Fois tidbit. I think that Stein has it a bit twisted. As others have pointed out, why would the FO hire someone to fill a role that usually is done by the head coach? Simple answer is that we arnt. Most likely we are hiring him to do the same job he is currently doing in Gonzaga, which is being the "Coordinator of Basketball Analytics and Video Operations". Makes sense, specially when you remember that we just fired the guys last week who were currently holding that title for us, and is something usually a FO hires for.

Good catch.

But his job title and the job description provided by Stein are not related, at all.

Exactly. Why would we hire a guy for "Developmental" that has no history of it, but instead has a history of being a basketball analytic? Dosent make sense to me, but does make sense that we are looking to hire him to do the job he currently does, and a job he does fantastically for Gonzaga. Add in that we just fired our "Analytic team" and it makes even more sense.

So like i said, i think Stein has it twisted a bit. Right guy, but for the wrong job.

[kennydorglas]

And Sarver will join the 2nd interview? Well done, Rob Pellinka.

[Crives]

Jeebus.... you guys are gettin really muddy now.

Is there a chance that this is a good thing ? Aside from the long felt animosity towards Sarver (that I shared in the pre-enlightenment age) I contend the Front Office is better now that McDisparagingComments is gone, that Jones is in charge, that Bower (an experienced hire) is with us....AND that a new coaching search is on. (Heck even fan fav Zwicker is working for us) The roster was miraculously trimmed of dead weight while adding two legit contributors mid season that actually semi-turned-the-corner for us. A small ray of sunshine, but one that was/is severely under rated. But no credit to Bob.

I look at this a long process of weeding out what has plagued us for the past 5 yrs. Both the prospective coaches , Williams and Vanterpool, are extremely well thought of league wide AND will aid in attracting players here. Im not sure you can say that with Igor, the attracting players part. Like it or not, we are going to need a player wanting to come here to get him. Also, Isn't it possible the 'team' may have been part of this decision?

No boys, go ahead pissnmoan and dump on Sarver all you want, but this was a JONES / BOWER decision that was made with BobbyS knowing full well he'd take the heat and look the crazy villain owner. BTW, any of these outcasted former coaches gone on to anything significant ? You can say a few front office boys are still involved (Kerr, Griffin, etc) but all in all, this is perhaps the best fresh start we've had in quite a while...

We have the talent, another offseason where practically anything can happen as we have picks, some tradable players, and remarkably cap space if we need it to get a few more pieces (a coach too) to this fan-jaded puzzle. So be it. Clean slate for Jones and Bower and(?) to operate and build 'their' team. Igor was not their guy.

As you likely have figured, I think we have a sound FO in charge and with the hiring of a new coach, will be surrounding this so called scourge-ish owner with highly respected members of the NBA community. So much more to look forward to than the demise of Robert Sarver. Hate to see you guys disappointed. In fact, Im buying a hat today in support of my solidarity. Im on this bandwagon and gladly taking seat assignments. 'come on everybody...we're going streaking through the quad!!!'


You dark clouders are not going to rainout my parade.

Bolded part specifically, you honestly believe this was Jones working with full autonomy? There's no way Sarver wasn't involved. Zero chance.

As for our cast-off's have done, obviously Dantoni has moved around and ended up well in Houston. Few others have gotten coaching jobs, but if their lack of quality resume building is evidence that it was the correct call terminating them then shouldn't it also bring into question the decision to hire them in the first place?

I can totally believe the final decision came from jones and bower. Just because we have gone through **** the last 10 years doesn’t mean things could not really be changing.

Honest question, has there been any confirmed decisions made by Sarver since Sarver fired Mcd?(not including hiring Bower/Jones which should not count)

To me, all of the moves so far feel like they were made by Jones or Trevor
1. Bringing in Jamal (good move)
2. Cutting Canaan (good move)
3. Cutting Chandler (good move)
4. Trading Ryan for Tyler (good move)
5. Not overpaying stopgap pg like 1st for terry (good move)
6. Koko firing (possibly good move based on inside FO info)

[kennydorglas]

Tyler Johnson played well here?
Always liked him in Miami.

[BobbieL]

And Sarver will join the 2nd interview? Well done, Rob Pellinka.

Who knows - maybe Monty dealing with that s**t show in LA with Jeanie, Pelinka, Rambis's now is like - "hell SArver isn't that bad"

[Phystic]

Jeebus.... you guys are gettin really muddy now.

Is there a chance that this is a good thing ? Aside from the long felt animosity towards Sarver (that I shared in the pre-enlightenment age) I contend the Front Office is better now that McDisparagingComments is gone, that Jones is in charge, that Bower (an experienced hire) is with us....AND that a new coaching search is on. (Heck even fan fav Zwicker is working for us) The roster was miraculously trimmed of dead weight while adding two legit contributors mid season that actually semi-turned-the-corner for us. A small ray of sunshine, but one that was/is severely under rated. But no credit to Bob.

I look at this a long process of weeding out what has plagued us for the past 5 yrs. Both the prospective coaches , Williams and Vanterpool, are extremely well thought of league wide AND will aid in attracting players here. Im not sure you can say that with Igor, the attracting players part. Like it or not, we are going to need a player wanting to come here to get him. Also, Isn't it possible the 'team' may have been part of this decision?

No boys, go ahead pissnmoan and dump on Sarver all you want, but this was a JONES / BOWER decision that was made with BobbyS knowing full well he'd take the heat and look the crazy villain owner. BTW, any of these outcasted former coaches gone on to anything significant ? You can say a few front office boys are still involved (Kerr, Griffin, etc) but all in all, this is perhaps the best fresh start we've had in quite a while...

We have the talent, another offseason where practically anything can happen as we have picks, some tradable players, and remarkably cap space if we need it to get a few more pieces (a coach too) to this fan-jaded puzzle. So be it. Clean slate for Jones and Bower and(?) to operate and build 'their' team. Igor was not their guy.

As you likely have figured, I think we have a sound FO in charge and with the hiring of a new coach, will be surrounding this so called scourge-ish owner with highly respected members of the NBA community. So much more to look forward to than the demise of Robert Sarver. Hate to see you guys disappointed. In fact, Im buying a hat today in support of my solidarity. Im on this bandwagon and gladly taking seat assignments. 'come on everybody...we're going streaking through the quad!!!'


You dark clouders are not going to rainout my parade.

Bolded part specifically, you honestly believe this was Jones working with full autonomy? There's no way Sarver wasn't involved. Zero chance.

As for our cast-off's have done, obviously Dantoni has moved around and ended up well in Houston. Few others have gotten coaching jobs, but if their lack of quality resume building is evidence that it was the correct call terminating them then shouldn't it also bring into question the decision to hire them in the first place?

I can totally believe the final decision came from jones and bower. Just because we have gone through **** the last 10 years doesn’t mean things could not really be changing.

Honest question, has there been any confirmed decisions made by Sarver since Sarver fired Mcd?(not including hiring Bower/Jones which should not count)

To me, all of the moves so far feel like they were made by Jones or Trevor
1. Bringing in Jamal (good move)
2. Cutting Canaan (good move)
3. Cutting Chandler (good move)
4. Trading Ryan for Tyler (good move)
5. Not overpaying stopgap pg like 1st for terry (good move)
6. Koko firing (possibly good move based on inside FO info)

Sarvwr doesn't deal with trades in my opinion. He meddles with front office and contract negotiations. Though I think the latter isn't as common as it once was.

I've never been one to blame Sarver. I don't think he's necessarily responsible for the product on the court. However he is responsible for the people that are responsible for the product on the court. And he's also responsible for the absolute dog**** image our franchise now has. Coaches, front office personnel and players do not WANT to come here.

[MathiasPW]

Sarvwr doesn't deal with trades in my opinion. He meddles with front office and contract negotiations. Though I think the latter isn't as common as it once was.

I've never been one to blame Sarver. I don't think he's necessarily responsible for the product on the court. However he is responsible for the people that are responsible for the product on the court. And he's also responsible for the absolute dog**** image our franchise now has. Coaches, front office personnel and players do not WANT to come here.

There are reports of Sarver overruling draft picks. Just from recent years, Mikal Bridges is one, and Chriss + Bender another (McD wanted one, traded for the other to satisfy Sarver).

There are reports of Sarver storming in the locker room and head coach office to tell how the team was supposed to be playing (these are older reports, I give you that).

There are reports of Sarver making a deal with Dragic literally while the FO was discussing a contract with another PG in the office.

Did you take these reports into account when forming your opinion? If so, why do you believe Sarver does not deal with trades and player signings? Any evidence to why he might have changed?

[Phystic]

Sarvwr doesn't deal with trades in my opinion. He meddles with front office and contract negotiations. Though I think the latter isn't as common as it once was.

I've never been one to blame Sarver. I don't think he's necessarily responsible for the product on the court. However he is responsible for the people that are responsible for the product on the court. And he's also responsible for the absolute dog**** image our franchise now has. Coaches, front office personnel and players do not WANT to come here.

There are reports of Sarver overruling draft picks. Just from recent years, Mikal Bridges is one, and Chriss + Bender another (McD wanted one, traded for the other to satisfy Sarver).

There are reports of Sarver storming in the locker room and head coach office to tell how the team was supposed to be playing (these are older reports, I give you that).

There are reports of Sarver making a deal with Dragic literally while the FO was discussing a contract with another PG in the office.

Did you take these reports into account when forming your opinion? If so, why do you believe Sarver does not deal with trades and player signings? Any evidence to why he might have changed?

I never read anything about any of this situations to be honest. I do remember reading about him storming into the locker room a few times but that was indeed older.