Official 2019 Brooklyn Nets Offseason Thread

[TheNetsFan]

Can we have an official Nets "financial" statement pinned on 1st post of every Off season thread?

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Prok and TheNetsFan are pretty much the capologists on here, they'll need to post the numbers?

I’m traveling and it’s tough on the phone. My baseline is essentially $28.7mil in space if we renounce everybody but DLo, and pick up the options on Napier and Graham. The options look less certain than they used to.

[MrDollarBills]

Can we have an official Nets "financial" statement pinned on 1st post of every Off season thread?

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Prok and TheNetsFan are pretty much the capologists on here, they'll need to post the numbers?

I’m traveling and it’s tough on the phone. My baseline is essentially $28.7mil in space if we renounce everybody but DLo, and pick up the options on Napier and Graham. The options look less certain than they used to.

Crabbe has to be either stretched or traded. That's not enough money to improve the team.

[TheNetsFan]

Prok and TheNetsFan are pretty much the capologists on here, they'll need to post the numbers?

I’m traveling and it’s tough on the phone. My baseline is essentially $28.7mil in space if we renounce everybody but DLo, and pick up the options on Napier and Graham. The options look less certain than they used to.

Crabbe has to be either stretched or traded. That's not enough money to improve the team.

I'm not sure that we'd pay to dump Crabbe. We don't need more than that unless we land a max guy. If we do land a max guy, there is always the option of moving Dinwiddie or Harris (unlikely) for a pick & max space. Waiving Napier & Graham gets us to $30.4mil in cap space. Getting to two max slots is virtually impossible. Paying to dump Crabbe in order to get to $40-45ish mil won't get us much more than $30mil will.

[Prokorov]

Prok and TheNetsFan are pretty much the capologists on here, they'll need to post the numbers?

I’m traveling and it’s tough on the phone. My baseline is essentially $28.7mil in space if we renounce everybody but DLo, and pick up the options on Napier and Graham. The options look less certain than they used to.

Crabbe has to be either stretched or traded. That's not enough money to improve the team.

you dont think signing tobias harris or KAwhi would improve the team? 28.7 is enough to max either.

I think we should hold on to crabbe, he would provide flexibility to match salary should an opportunity to trade for a high salary player come into play during the season

[MrDollarBills]

I’m traveling and it’s tough on the phone. My baseline is essentially $28.7mil in space if we renounce everybody but DLo, and pick up the options on Napier and Graham. The options look less certain than they used to.

Crabbe has to be either stretched or traded. That's not enough money to improve the team.

you dont think signing tobias harris or KAwhi would improve the team? 28.7 is enough to max either.

I think we should hold on to crabbe, he would provide flexibility to match salary should an opportunity to trade for a high salary player come into play during the season

yeah I would love to sign either player. but, I'm not sure how this works tbh, so we have enough for one max slot. how will we resign Ed Davis? with an exception?

I really would like the Nets to add one max slot player, another big at either C/PF along with retaining Davis.

I suppose we can use the draft to supplement areas of need.

[MrDollarBills]

I’m traveling and it’s tough on the phone. My baseline is essentially $28.7mil in space if we renounce everybody but DLo, and pick up the options on Napier and Graham. The options look less certain than they used to.

Crabbe has to be either stretched or traded. That's not enough money to improve the team.

I'm not sure that we'd pay to dump Crabbe. We don't need more than that unless we land a max guy. If we do land a max guy, there is always the option of moving Dinwiddie or Harris (unlikely) for a pick & max space. Waiving Napier & Graham gets us to $30.4mil in cap space. Getting to two max slots is virtually impossible. Paying to dump Crabbe in order to get to $40-45ish mil won't get us much more than $30mil will.

Will we have caproom by holding on to Crabbe's expiring in 2020?

[Prokorov]

Crabbe has to be either stretched or traded. That's not enough money to improve the team.

you dont think signing tobias harris or KAwhi would improve the team? 28.7 is enough to max either.

I think we should hold on to crabbe, he would provide flexibility to match salary should an opportunity to trade for a high salary player come into play during the season

yeah I would love to sign either player. but, I'm not sure how this works tbh, so we have enough for one max slot. how will we resign Ed Davis? with an exception?

I really would like the Nets to add one max slot player, another big at either C/PF along with retaining Davis.

I suppose we can use the draft to supplement areas of need.

Here is what we have to spend:

-28-31 million in cap (assumes Carroll, RHJ, Davis, Dudley and one or both of Graham/Napier are renounced)

once that cap is spent, either on 1 max guy or 2-3 players we can:

-sign russell to his deal for any amount

-Use the "room exception" estimated at 4.67 million for any player with i believe 8% raises. so like a 4 year/20 million deal

-sign anyone we want to the veterans minimum (1.5 - 2 million range)

So your team looks like this:

Russell, Dinwiddie, Levert, Harris, Crabbe, Kurucs, Allen
Musa, Creek, Pinson, Williams

Add in 28-31 million worth of players.

Add in #17, #27, #31

Add in one player on a 4 year, 20 million deal

Add in unlimitmed amount of guys on minimum deals

We could bring Davis back on the Room exception potentially. Napier and graham would be back if we only need 28 ish million instead of 31ish million

[Prokorov]

Also, crabbe plays a big role here too...we could do something like trade Crabbe and picks to a team with an overpaid good player.

we would draft for that team, thenexecute the trade after free agency. but for craps and giggles something like Crabbe + 17 + 31 for someone who makes like 20 million for 3 more years but is still a good player.

[NyCeEvO]

As much as I've loved Ed Davis here, we might be better off signing someone like Dewayne Dedmon. He's a legit 7'0 center who can rebound well, play defense, and can stretch the floor.

I’ve been thinking about that for awhile now. It’s kind of hard to keep two non shooting bigs in a rotation. Especially, without a real stretch four.

Someone like Kanter, Favors, Len, Robin Lopez could work too. A big that could pick and pop from mid range and score with the back to the basket wouldn’t be a bad idea either.

I really hope Allen works on his 3pt shot. Coming into this season, it seemed like he would start taking 3s but for some reason that seemed to go away as the season progressed.

If Allen were able to hit 3s like Dedmon is capable of doing, it would've forced Embiid to come out of the paint which in turn would've opened more driving lanes or angles for back door cuts. I really hope Jarrett works on 3pt shooting this offseason. It was really evident during the Sixers series how much of a non-factor on offense he was outside of lobs. Whenever Jarrett would receive a pass at the top of the key, he wouldn't even look at the basket to score, and as a result, Embiid just camped back in the post because he knew he didn't have to worry about Allen being a threat away from the rim. If Allen forces Embiid to come out, I think that really changes how this series unfolds.

[NyCeEvO]

Yeah it's tough. And this is why I have said a few times, we're not a lock to repeat this success next season.

Carroll, Davis, and Dudley were major contributors. If I put a number on it, these three players were at least contributed to 10 wins this season.

Our young guys will need to make another jump along with retaining/replacing these veteran leaderships if we want to keep building.


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if those guys are gone its because we signed a max player... who should be worth at least those 10 wins. we would also probably bring 1 of the 3 back on the room exeption

I'm not sure that is necessary true. I think 1 of them comes back for sure...whether it's Demarre or Ed.

If we strike out on a max guy this off season, I think they protect 2020 cap just in case.

I skimmed a list of potential 2020 free agents and unless I had a bad document, 2019 blows 2020 out of the water. I think chasing RFAs like we had done in previous years will prove to be futile yet again. IMO, if we have to overpay a good player who we believe by a few million extra dollars per season, it will be worth it, since it's not like we'll have a chance to nab players comparable to this year's class next year.

[NyCeEvO]

I’m traveling and it’s tough on the phone. My baseline is essentially $28.7mil in space if we renounce everybody but DLo, and pick up the options on Napier and Graham. The options look less certain than they used to.

Crabbe has to be either stretched or traded. That's not enough money to improve the team.

you dont think signing tobias harris or KAwhi would improve the team? 28.7 is enough to max either.

I think we should hold on to crabbe, he would provide flexibility to match salary should an opportunity to trade for a high salary player come into play during the season

I assume you must have certain high salary players in mind. Who would they be?

[NyCeEvO]

Also, crabbe plays a big role here too...we could do something like trade Crabbe and picks to a team with an overpaid good player.

we would draft for that team, thenexecute the trade after free agency. but for craps and giggles something like Crabbe + 17 + 31 for someone who makes like 20 million for 3 more years but is still a good player.

Here is the list of everyone who made over $18.5mil last offseason:

2018-2019 Player Salaries
RK NAME TEAM SALARY
1 Stephen Curry, PG Golden State Warriors $37,457,154
2 Russell Westbrook, PG Oklahoma City Thunder $35,654,150
3 Chris Paul, PG Houston Rockets $35,654,150
4 Blake Griffin, PF Detroit Pistons $32,088,932
5 Gordon Hayward, SF Boston Celtics $31,214,295
6 Kyle Lowry, PG Toronto Raptors $31,200,000
7 Paul George, SF Oklahoma City Thunder $30,560,700
8 Mike Conley, PG Memphis Grizzlies $30,521,115
9 James Harden, PG Houston Rockets $30,421,854
10 Kevin Durant, SF Golden State Warriors $30,000,000
11 Paul Millsap, PF Denver Nuggets $29,230,769
12 Al Horford, C Boston Celtics $28,928,709
13 Damian Lillard, PG Portland Trail Blazers $27,977,689
14 DeMar DeRozan, SG San Antonio Spurs $27,739,975
15 Otto Porter Jr., SF Washington Wizards $26,011,913
16 Jrue Holiday, PG New Orleans Pelicans $25,976,111
17 CJ McCollum, SG Portland Trail Blazers $25,759,766
18 Joel Embiid, C Philadelphia 76ers $25,467,250
19 Andrew Wiggins, SF Minnesota Timberwolves $25,467,250
20 Bradley Beal, SG Washington Wizards $25,434,263
21 Anthony Davis, PF New Orleans Pelicans $25,434,263
22 Hassan Whiteside, C Miami Heat $25,434,262
23 Nikola Jokic, C Denver Nuggets $24,605,181
24 Steven Adams, C Oklahoma City Thunder $24,157,303
25 Giannis Antetokounmpo, PF Milwaukee Bucks $24,157,303
26 Marc Gasol, C Memphis Grizzlies $24,119,025
27 Kevin Love, PF Cleveland Cavaliers $24,119,025
28 Chandler Parsons, SF Memphis Grizzlies $24,107,258
29 Harrison Barnes, SF Sacramento Kings $24,107,258
30 Nicolas Batum, SF Charlotte Hornets $24,000,000
31 Rudy Gobert, C Utah Jazz $23,241,573
32 Kawhi Leonard, SF Toronto Raptors $23,114,067
33 DeAndre Jordan, C New York Knicks $22,897,200
34 LaMarcus Aldridge, C San Antonio Spurs $22,347,015
35 Serge Ibaka, C Toronto Raptors $21,666,667
36 Aaron Gordon, PF Orlando Magic $21,590,909
37 Danilo Gallinari, SF LA Clippers $21,587,579
38 Victor Oladipo, SG Indiana Pacers $21,000,000
39 Jimmy Butler, SG Philadelphia 76ers $20,445,779
40 Ryan Anderson, PF Phoenix Suns $20,421,546
41 Kyrie Irving, PG Boston Celtics $20,099,189
42 Jabari Parker, PF Washington Wizards $20,000,000
43 Zach LaVine, PG Chicago Bulls $19,500,000
44 Tyler Johnson, SG Phoenix Suns $19,356,932
45 Tim Hardaway Jr., G New York Knicks $19,200,127
46 John Wall, PG Washington Wizards $19,169,800
47 Jeff Teague, PG Minnesota Timberwolves $19,000,000
48 George Hill, PG Milwaukee Bucks $19,000,000
49 Klay Thompson, SG Golden State Warriors $18,988,725
50 Allen Crabbe, SG Brooklyn Nets $18,500,000

I've highlighted the players who I think fit our timeline and fill a position of need (or we can move one of our existing players into that spot and have the new player take player's former spot).

Out of the list, I've highlighted Blake Griffin, Paul George, CJ McCollum, Bradley Beal, Aaron Gordon, Otto Porter, and Kevin Love (doubt the Nets would target him though).

Given the Nets system, unless the player we're getting is a better ballhandler, decision maker, and scorer than either DLo or Levert, I don't see the Nets targeting another ball dominant player. Having two elite ball handling/playmaking/scoring players on the court seems to be the foundational element to winning in today's league, but having three starting players of this type is too much as someone's ballhandling and playmaking talent will always go to waste and we would benefit more from having an elite 3&D player than a 3rd ball handling playmaker who starts.

This would eliminate Blake from contention.

CJ McCollum would only be available if POR decides to go in a different direction at the wing. I can't see this happening since I don't think POR will ever be bad enough to tank for an elite wing replacement or have enough cap space to be a player for a big time wing.

I'd love to have Bradley Beal on the Nets. I wanted him when he was a RFA but Washington re-signed him. In this case, I would move Levert to the 3 and have him focus on improving his 3pt shot to optimize his potential from the 3 spot. With that said, WAS has said that they have no intentions of trading Beal despite WAS seemingly treadmilling for at least the next year due to Wall's injury. I'd love to Beal but I doubt WAS makes him available, even though they probably should tank next season.

Otto Porter is certainly doable but I don't know how much CHI wants to keep him or what their plan is for the next few seasons.

Aaron Gordon would fill a position of need, since he's an athletic 3/4 hybrid. He is capable of bringing the ball up in transition and is a surprisingly good passer. Essentially, he would play a Draymond role for us, but with much better offense and considerably worse defense. But all of this begs the question of why ORL would want to get rid of him in the first place. I'd be shocked if they sought to trade him since they shouldn't run into any cap issues in the near future.

Considering OKC's cap situation, I could foresee them seeking to offload Paul George but only after giving this OKC core one more chance. I'd be shocked if they traded him before next season is out.

Out of these players, it seems like the Nets would have the best chance of acquiring OPJ. Bradley, PG, and Gordon would be nice but I don't think their teams would look to trade them during next season.

[Prokorov]

taking batum for crabbe might not be the worst idea after we use all our cap.

[Kaiser30]

Here is what we have to spend:

-28-31 million in cap (assumes Carroll, RHJ, Davis, Dudley and one or both of Graham/Napier are renounced)

once that cap is spent, either on 1 max guy or 2-3 players we can:

-sign russell to his deal for any amount

-Use the "room exception" estimated at 4.67 million for any player with i believe 8% raises. so like a 4 year/20 million deal

-sign anyone we want to the veterans minimum (1.5 - 2 million range)

So your team looks like this:

Russell, Dinwiddie, Levert, Harris, Crabbe, Kurucs, Allen
Musa, Creek, Pinson, Williams

Add in 28-31 million worth of players.

Add in #17, #27, #31

Add in one player on a 4 year, 20 million deal

Add in unlimitmed amount of guys on minimum deals

We could bring Davis back on the Room exception potentially. Napier and graham would be back if we only need 28 ish million instead of 31ish million

Some additional notes:

- Crabbe has to opt into his final contract year by 29 June at the latest. That means if he doesn't opt-in earlier, technically, he can only be traded in a draft day deal via a handshake agreement with the expectation that he will eventually opt-in and a formal execution a few days later. Kind of tricky, but considering that he will definitely take the money under any circumstances and independent of the team where he may be traded to, a trade agreement on draft day prior to opting in should be feasible. However, I still think it makes more sense to hold onto him and wait how free agency plays out.

- Napier and Graham have unguaranteed deals with a full guarantee deadline on July 10. That means, Nets could make decisions on both later in free agency. I think it will also come down to roster spots which may be pretty scarce. Considering that Napier fell out of the rotation entirely, I think Marks may do him a favor and cut him earlier so that he can actively pursue a team where he might get more minutes.

- I think Marks will not even tender a qualifying offer to RHJ which would be necessary in order to make him a restricted free agent. Otherwise, there is a risk that he may take the offer during the recruitment process of other FA additions and in this case, the potential additional cap space by rescinding the cap hold for the qualifying offer would simply be gone.

I skimmed a list of potential 2020 free agents and unless I had a bad document, 2019 blows 2020 out of the water. I think chasing RFAs like we had done in previous years will prove to be futile yet again. IMO, if we have to overpay a good player who we believe by a few million extra dollars per season, it will be worth it, since it's not like we'll have a chance to nab players comparable to this year's class next year.

Agreed.
To me, it is boom or bust in this years free agency because outside of Anthony Davis who will get traded during next season, there really aren't other players available that could be a great fit in Brooklyn.

If no big addition at the forward spots will sign via free agency this summer, the Nets should not focus on cap space in 2020 but rather sign solid players on deals providing good value, then explore the trade market and negotiate a team friendly extension with LeVert.

[halfHAVOC]

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[Paradise]

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[Prokorov]

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I still dont see it... other then Dolan being awful, the Nets have no advantage.

Knicks can put a better team around durant with a second full max plus using their top 3 pick (maybe #1 overall) to trade for a third star... potentially Anthony Davis.

His legend and status as an all-time great would grow 100 times more winning with the Knicks then with us.

His endorsements and fame would be higher with the knicks.

i cant see any of the other 29 teams being as close to as a great a fit for him as the knicks. he has his rings, he has his mvps, he has his all-time scoring stats. He needs to win in NY, with a team that is his. If/when he does that he will be in the lebron/jordan/Kareem conversation for GOAT. and will be the biggest star in NY since jeter

[MrDollarBills]

yeah the Knicks have us dead to rights with their cap flexibility and the potential to offer Zion Williamson or Ja Morant to the Pelicans for AD.

the only edge that we have is that we don't have the "what if" scenario that NY can pitch to him that is based on hypothetical stuff. Brooklyn can say we've got a ready made young team on the rise right now, a great culture of player development that is 3-4 years ahead of schedule in terms of winning games, one of the NBA's best young back court rotations, an excellent coach/front office, and an offensive system tailor made for his complete skillset.

I mean I know it doesn't sound as sexy but the Nets offer some legitimate stability right now. Unless he has some preplanned deal with Irving to go to NY together there's still a lot of uncertainty surrounding the Knicks.

[MrDollarBills]

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[Paradise]

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I still dont see it... other then Dolan being awful, the Nets have no advantage.

Knicks can put a better team around durant with a second full max plus using their top 3 pick (maybe #1 overall) to trade for a third star... potentially Anthony Davis.

His legend and status as an all-time great would grow 100 times more winning with the Knicks then with us.

His endorsements and fame would be higher with the knicks.

i cant see any of the other 29 teams being as close to as a great a fit for him as the knicks. he has his rings, he has his mvps, he has his all-time scoring stats. He needs to win in NY, with a team that is his. If/when he does that he will be in the lebron/jordan/Kareem conversation for GOAT. and will be the biggest star in NY since jeter

The only advantage the Knicks have is brand, building and flexibility. That’s it.

The Nets offer virtually the same endorsement opportunity. D’Angelo is currently getting endorsements left and right from this season and he’s now the face of Kimo Tires NBA commercials. Durant’s status here as a star will shine itself. The man is under Roc Nation and with two Yormork CEOs pushing his marketing (hypothetically speaking). He’s going to be the biggest star since Jeter here or with the Knicks.

The NBA is pushing for the Nets to get Tsai in for us to be the China’s hub for endorsement and rating opportunities hence why they booked Lakers vs Nets for NBA China Tour in October.

The winning a title with the Knicks talk is debatable when Brooklyn hasn’t won a professional sports title since the Dodgers and Nets haven’t since Julius Erving.

The Nets right now are the talk of New York. Durant or another star plus our natural stable culture would increase that and create a model (which is already happening) of how to rebuild. Fans will bandwagon regardless. Everyone for the most part wanted us to knock off Philly so our culture and team is likable. The Knicks are not. Only in New York.

Sean Marks will be EOY, KD can easily win multiple MVPs here and quite frankly joins a 42 win team and easily moves them into contention. Adding a second or third star becomes a no brainer for Marks. Did Morey hesitate to move Beverley, Harrell, Williams, despite how much of a steal both of them were in Houston for a chance at a complimentary star? Absolutely not.

The circumstance is a little different. It’s not that far fetched and it’s about as equal in opportunity in winning as going to the Knicks.


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