MagicMatic wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
Dude, you can tank for 15 years and still never win first round pick, and that's whole purpose of lottery change. To stop teams to hi reset button every 2 yeras.
This draft is 2 and half players deep, everybody who drafts outside top 3 will gain another prospect who might pan out, but probably will be another Stanley Johnson /Thon Maker type prospect.
But that's nothing new. In lottery you have 14 players, even in best draft class in history (2003) only Lebron and Wade were superstars . In most drafts there is not a single superstar level player, just bunch of situational role players - occasional, situational allstars like Paul MIllsap, Horford type players and we still talk about BEST case scenarios.
Draft is something invented to give worst team boost to upgrade roster faster. Not tool that will build you superteam.
Not really sure where this line of thinking comes from. The draft is the easiest, cheapest, and least risky way of acquiring better talent for an organization like Orlando. This coming from an organization that has only been relevant
because of the draft.
Is it a complete luck of the draw? Kinda. You’re kind of discrediting the efforts that go into scouting and development by saying it’s fruitless. Nobody is saying to tank for years and years and to be like Philadelphia during “The Process”. I think there is just a faction of people that would rather go in a different direction in terms of talent acquisition. There simply aren’t many avenues.
People could argue standing pat is a good idea, but this team hasn’t been truly relevant in almost a decade. The run this year was a nice change of pace, but we simply lack talent and the questions surrounding this roster construction are valid.
For example, the difference between being Phoenix or Detroit is pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. To be honest, there are many people that would rather have Zion or Morant than whatever the hell is going on in Detroit next season. That’s not to say Phoenix will be “better” or even “good”, but they will arguably have better assets to move should they acquire them.
So if draft is asiest ,cheapeast and least risky way of building team how you explain so many teams failing to build thrugh draft despite being in lottery all the time?
Minessota spent 13 of last 14 yeras in lottery.
Kings last 13 years in lottery.
Suns 9 years in lottery.
Magic 6 yeras prior this one
Lakers last 6 years
Knicks 6 yers
That's 6 teams ,with total of 53 LOTTERY picks in last 14 years. How many players turned into allstars among them? 4 or 5 ?
For example, the difference between being Phoenix or Detroit is pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
LOL
Suns ?
I assume you don't pay close attention . Because if you do, you would know that active players already telling Booker and Ayton to GTFO from there. Dudley,active nba player, and Barnes retired player, in last 10 DAYS pretty much said that as long as Sarver is there , team can't expect anything. It's the worst runned team in basketball, probably in sports in general. They changed 6 coaches in 6 years and 3 GMs.
I love how you still pretend that Suns are lock to win top 2 pick. Where ,in reality they much better chance to draft 4th and 5th . Matter of fact they have 14% to draft 1# and 26% to draft 6th, with even 7% chance t odraft 7th.
But heeey, as long as it fits your and Skin's rebuild through draft agenda, deflecting facts is fine...
Is it a complete luck of the draw? Kinda. You’re kind of discrediting the efforts that go into scouting and development by saying it’s fruitless. Nobody is saying to tank for years and years and to be like Philadelphia during “The Process”
Actually you do, because if you have to sell all valuable players for scrubs in order to tank. So when you fail at draft, you still have bunch of scrubs so you have no other choice but to try again later.
Philadelphia had 7 lottery picks in their rebuild, lucky enough to have top 3 pick 4 times.
2 of 4 ended up being Fultz and Jah Okafor.
Simmons was alaready shopped this year.
Embiid can't stay healthy.
They are one bad Embiid injury away from another rebuild. And expecting Embiid to get hurt is more realistic outcom than expecting him to last next 5 years for 70 games a year. Guy has been hurt in every single playoffs so far.
And are they actually compeating for title? No
Are they cheap, like you said ? No
Was their rebuild best cost and time effective rebuild? No
So why you wanna go in lottery again so badly? To draft another Elfrid Payton and Hezonja? Because players like them are most common things in lottery. Fing Biyombo was 7th pick ....
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