What are your best Fournier trade proposals?

[VFX]

i don't think Brogdon is bad player, but price tag of $17-20M is not realistic salary for somebody who will not solve Magic ballhandling issues and who needs system around him to get best of him.

He is also much older than most people assume ( turning 27 on start of next season ) . People forget that he spent 4 years at college.

I guess my line of thinking is just that Fournier isn’t a plus defender and struggled to contribute much offensively this year at 17m. That and Orlando lacks ball handlers capable of playing both sides of the floor. Even if Brogdon were to dip because of situation ( which in itself is hilarious coming from a Vuc supporter that neglects to acknowledge benefitting from his ideal situation) he at least provides some kind of value in that side. Unless Orlando finds a very competent guard in the draft I would still make an offer.

[tiderulz]

i don't think Brogdon is bad player, but price tag of $17-20M is not realistic salary for somebody who will not solve Magic ballhandling issues and who needs system around him to get best of him.

He is also much older than most people assume ( turning 27 on start of next season ) . People forget that he spent 4 years at college.

I guess my line of thinking is just that Fournier isn’t a plus defender and struggled to contribute much offensively this year at 17m. That and Orlando lacks ball handlers capable of playing both sides of the floor. Even if Brogdon were to dip because of situation ( which in itself is hilarious coming from a Vuc supporter that neglects to acknowledge benefitting from his ideal situation) he at least provides some kind of value in that side. Unless Orlando finds a very competent guard in the draft I would still make an offer.

technically, Brogdon isnt a plus defender either. offensively, they are about the same.

[pepe1991]

i don't think Brogdon is bad player, but price tag of $17-20M is not realistic salary for somebody who will not solve Magic ballhandling issues and who needs system around him to get best of him.

He is also much older than most people assume ( turning 27 on start of next season ) . People forget that he spent 4 years at college.

I guess my line of thinking is just that Fournier isn’t a plus defender and struggled to contribute much offensively this year at 17m. That and Orlando lacks ball handlers capable of playing both sides of the floor. Even if Brogdon were to dip because of situation ( which in itself is hilarious coming from a Vuc supporter that neglects to acknowledge benefitting from his ideal situation) he at least provides some kind of value in that side. Unless Orlando finds a very competent guard in the draft I would still make an offer.

You don't think Evan would look better if he has 4 players head and shoulders better than him on the floor at every moment?

which in itself is hilarious coming from a Vuc supporter that neglects to acknowledge benefitting from his ideal situation)

Because this is egg- chicken argument where you only pull for one, ignoring that Magic play through Vučević BECAUSE he is their best and most realiable player. So Vučević being in great situation for him comes down to two facts:
a) he is best player
b) it's not his fault he is best player

Getting rid of him will not provide you better system of better player. Especially if your grand plan is to fry $20M on two years younger, yet much worst role player.

[VFX]

i don't think Brogdon is bad player, but price tag of $17-20M is not realistic salary for somebody who will not solve Magic ballhandling issues and who needs system around him to get best of him.

He is also much older than most people assume ( turning 27 on start of next season ) . People forget that he spent 4 years at college.

I guess my line of thinking is just that Fournier isn’t a plus defender and struggled to contribute much offensively this year at 17m. That and Orlando lacks ball handlers capable of playing both sides of the floor. Even if Brogdon were to dip because of situation ( which in itself is hilarious coming from a Vuc supporter that neglects to acknowledge benefitting from his ideal situation) he at least provides some kind of value in that side. Unless Orlando finds a very competent guard in the draft I would still make an offer.

You don't think Evan would look better if he has 4 players head and shoulders better than him on the floor at every moment?

which in itself is hilarious coming from a Vuc supporter that neglects to acknowledge benefitting from his ideal situation)

Because this is egg- chicken argument where you only pull for one, ignoring that Magic play through Vučević BECAUSE he is their best and most realiable player. So Vučević being in great situation for him comes down to two facts:
a) he is best player
b) it's not his fault he is best player

Getting rid of him will not provide you better system of better player. Especially if your grand plan is to fry $20M on two years younger, yet much worst role player.

Title of the thread is “What are your best Fournier trade proposals?” I wouldn’t extend an offer to have another 27 year old SG on the team if Orlando didn’t move Fournier or have some kind of plan. Maybe Evan would, maybe he wouldn’t. Coincidentally Orlando overachieved this year without his “stellar” production and overpriced contract. Take that however you want to take it.

[pepe1991]

I guess my line of thinking is just that Fournier isn’t a plus defender and struggled to contribute much offensively this year at 17m. That and Orlando lacks ball handlers capable of playing both sides of the floor. Even if Brogdon were to dip because of situation ( which in itself is hilarious coming from a Vuc supporter that neglects to acknowledge benefitting from his ideal situation) he at least provides some kind of value in that side. Unless Orlando finds a very competent guard in the draft I would still make an offer.

You don't think Evan would look better if he has 4 players head and shoulders better than him on the floor at every moment?

which in itself is hilarious coming from a Vuc supporter that neglects to acknowledge benefitting from his ideal situation)

Because this is egg- chicken argument where you only pull for one, ignoring that Magic play through Vučević BECAUSE he is their best and most realiable player. So Vučević being in great situation for him comes down to two facts:
a) he is best player
b) it's not his fault he is best player

Getting rid of him will not provide you better system of better player. Especially if your grand plan is to fry $20M on two years younger, yet much worst role player.

Title of the thread is “What are your best Fournier trade proposals?” I wouldn’t extend an offer to have another 27 year old SG on the team if Orlando didn’t move Fournier or have some kind of plan. Maybe Evan would, maybe he wouldn’t. Coincidentally Orlando overachieved this year without his “stellar” production and overpriced contract. Take that however you want to take it.

With $30M of dead cap space tied in Mozgov, Fultz and Bamba who didn't contribute in any way ,shape or form.
So maybe team built around Ross ;Vuc ;Evan , Gordon isn't THAT bad, just lacks star and actual depth and bodies, given that most of cap space was wasted on 3 players that could not suit up for them?

[VFX]

You don't think Evan would look better if he has 4 players head and shoulders better than him on the floor at every moment?



Because this is egg- chicken argument where you only pull for one, ignoring that Magic play through Vučević BECAUSE he is their best and most realiable player. So Vučević being in great situation for him comes down to two facts:
a) he is best player
b) it's not his fault he is best player

Getting rid of him will not provide you better system of better player. Especially if your grand plan is to fry $20M on two years younger, yet much worst role player.

Title of the thread is “What are your best Fournier trade proposals?” I wouldn’t extend an offer to have another 27 year old SG on the team if Orlando didn’t move Fournier or have some kind of plan. Maybe Evan would, maybe he wouldn’t. Coincidentally Orlando overachieved this year without his “stellar” production and overpriced contract. Take that however you want to take it.

With $30M of dead cap space tied in Mozgov, Fultz and Bamba who didn't contribute in any way ,shape or form.
So maybe team built around Ross ;Vuc ;Evan , Gordon isn't THAT bad, just lacks star and actual depth and bodies, given that most of cap space was wasted on 3 players that could not suit up for them?

Orlando needs a back court in the worst way. Fultz May or may not be the solution. Throw out some other possible trade targets for Fournier or free agents that will improve the team for the future and not just the next 2 seasons.

[pepe1991]

Title of the thread is “What are your best Fournier trade proposals?” I wouldn’t extend an offer to have another 27 year old SG on the team if Orlando didn’t move Fournier or have some kind of plan. Maybe Evan would, maybe he wouldn’t. Coincidentally Orlando overachieved this year without his “stellar” production and overpriced contract. Take that however you want to take it.

With $30M of dead cap space tied in Mozgov, Fultz and Bamba who didn't contribute in any way ,shape or form.
So maybe team built around Ross ;Vuc ;Evan , Gordon isn't THAT bad, just lacks star and actual depth and bodies, given that most of cap space was wasted on 3 players that could not suit up for them?

Orlando needs a back court in the worst way. Fultz May or may not be the solution. Throw out some other possible trade targets for Fournier or free agents that will improve the team for the future and not just the next 2 seasons.

But Magic need specific backcourt player- ballhandler/shooter/scorer. Basically star player.
That type of FA ( Irving, Kemba) isn't realistic option for Magic and i highly doubt that type of player will be aveliable in FA.
It's not easy to upgrade roster with trades, you have to give something away. Magic objective assets are Fultz, Bamba, 16 pick, Gordon and Isaac. Maybe some team will be interested in Mozgov for salary hold, or DJ for backup PG . But younger guys and combination of Evan/Mozgov/DJ + them in trade scenarios are most objective, realistic way how to get clear guard upgrade.


There are some trade options with Nuggets where Magic could take Millsap's fat money for 1 year, to free up salary cap next year, and they have some good guards that need more PT ( Beasley and Morris). hell, they even have Michael Porter Jr on roster.
Now would Magic dump Evan and Gordon for them and Millsap? Maybe? Hard to tell.

[VFX]

With $30M of dead cap space tied in Mozgov, Fultz and Bamba who didn't contribute in any way ,shape or form.
So maybe team built around Ross ;Vuc ;Evan , Gordon isn't THAT bad, just lacks star and actual depth and bodies, given that most of cap space was wasted on 3 players that could not suit up for them?

Orlando needs a back court in the worst way. Fultz May or may not be the solution. Throw out some other possible trade targets for Fournier or free agents that will improve the team for the future and not just the next 2 seasons.

But Magic need specific backcourt player- ballhandler/shooter/scorer. Basically star player.
That type of FA ( Irving, Kemba) isn't realistic option for Magic and i highly doubt that type of player will be aveliable in FA.
It's not easy to upgrade roster with trades, you have to give something away. Magic objective assets are Fultz, Bamba, 16 pick, Gordon and Isaac. Maybe some team will be interested in Mozgov for salary hold, or DJ for backup PG . But younger guys and combination of Evan/Mozgov/DJ + them in trade scenarios are most objective, realistic way how to get clear guard upgrade.


There are some trade options with Nuggets where Magic could take Millsap's fat money for 1 year, to free up salary cap next year, and they have some good guards that need more PT ( Beasley and Morris). hell, they even have Michael Porter Jr on roster.
Now would Magic dump Evan and Gordon for them and Millsap? Maybe? Hard to tell.

Agree with the trade scenarios. It would have to be AG or Isaac for anything substantial. Free agency isn’t really an option, so it’s either make a big splashy trade or hope #16 or Fultz pans out.

[Bensational]

I see a lot of people saying Fournier had a 'down year', and that he could bounce back. But for the past 3 seasons he's been fluctuating between very similar numbers:

16-17
32.9mpg
17.2ppg
6.0/13.7fgas (.439 fg%)
1.9/5.3 3fgas (.356 3fg%)
4.1ftas
3.1rpg
3.0apg

17-18
32.2mpg
17.8ppg
6.5/14.1fgas (.459 fg%)
2.2/5.9 3fgas (.379 3fg%)
3.0ftas
3.2rpg
2.9apg

18-19
31.5mpg
15.1ppg
5.8/13.2fgas (.438 fg%)
1.9/5.6 3fgas (.340 3fg%)
2.1ftas
3.2rpg
3.6apg

The Fournier we saw this season is more or less the Fournier we've seen for the past 3 seasons. Whilst his 3pt shooting dipped, there isn't much else for him to 'bounce back' up to. There's no real case of trading Fournier at his lowest, because he more or less is what he is. Could he improve? Of course. I'm not sure how that manifests, other than him working harder to get open, like JJ, or suddenly getting more calls from the refs on his drives.

[Bensational]

Brogdon is significantly better than Fournier at what Fournier currently gives us. He may not have the ceiling to transcend to a star, but he could give us a more efficient system player than Fournier who can hit his open shots, make the right pass, attack the rim on high efficiency, and defend well.

If they were both on the same contract, it's no competition that Brogdon is the better player. But to pull Brogdon away from Milwaukee, I suspect you need to pay him more than that. Then you have to weigh up if he will perform well enough to justify $20M per season, and maintain trade value in the event we need/want to flip him in the future.

[ezzzp]

Brogdon is significantly better than Fournier at what Fournier currently gives us. He may not have the ceiling to transcend to a star, but he could give us a more efficient system player than Fournier who can hit his open shots, make the right pass, attack the rim on high efficiency, and defend well.

If they were both on the same contract, it's no competition that Brogdon is the better player. But to pull Brogdon away from Milwaukee, I suspect you need to pay him more than that. Then you have to weigh up if he will perform well enough to justify $20M per season, and maintain trade value in the event we need/want to flip him in the future.

It’s a big question as to what Brogdon is minus 7’ MVP forward + Bledsoe + Middleton and spacing demanded by Lopez 3pt.

I like Brogdon, but playing off of that group is a totally different situation than Fournier having to play secondary playmaker / 2-3d option with spacing from lineups with 3-4 below average shooters and raw young players

[ezzzp]

I see a lot of people saying Fournier had a 'down year', and that he could bounce back. But for the past 3 seasons he's been fluctuating between very similar numbers:

16-17
32.9mpg
17.2ppg
6.0/13.7fgas (.439 fg%)
1.9/5.3 3fgas (.356 3fg%)
4.1ftas
3.1rpg
3.0apg

17-18
32.2mpg
17.8ppg
6.5/14.1fgas (.459 fg%)
2.2/5.9 3fgas (.379 3fg%)
3.0ftas
3.2rpg
2.9apg

18-19
31.5mpg
15.1ppg
5.8/13.2fgas (.438 fg%)
1.9/5.6 3fgas (.340 3fg%)
2.1ftas
3.2rpg
3.6apg

The Fournier we saw this season is more or less the Fournier we've seen for the past 3 seasons. Whilst his 3pt shooting dipped, there isn't much else for him to 'bounce back' up to. There's no real case of trading Fournier at his lowest, because he more or less is what he is. Could he improve? Of course. I'm not sure how that manifests, other than him working harder to get open, like JJ, or suddenly getting more calls from the refs on his drives.

yea but his 3pt shooting is major part of his offense - makes other aspects of his offensive game easier... .378 to.340 is a big drop - impacted everything

[Bensational]

Brogdon is significantly better than Fournier at what Fournier currently gives us. He may not have the ceiling to transcend to a star, but he could give us a more efficient system player than Fournier who can hit his open shots, make the right pass, attack the rim on high efficiency, and defend well.

If they were both on the same contract, it's no competition that Brogdon is the better player. But to pull Brogdon away from Milwaukee, I suspect you need to pay him more than that. Then you have to weigh up if he will perform well enough to justify $20M per season, and maintain trade value in the event we need/want to flip him in the future.

It’s a big question as to what Brogdon is minus 7’ MVP forward + Bledsoe + Middleton and spacing demanded by Lopez 3pt.

I like Brogdon, but playing off of that group is a totally different situation than Fournier having to play secondary playmaker / 2-3d option with spacing from lineups with 3-4 below average shooters and raw young players

But doesn't Fournier have the benefit of playing alongside a top 15 player who is also a spacing C like Lopez? As well as a much superior shooter and floor spacer in DJ over Bledsoe? Gordon isn't far off having a Middleton-like impact.

Fournier doesn't play in lineups with 3-4 below average shooters. Vuc + DJ are above average for their positions. Gordon is average. Isaac is below average. However, Giannis and Bledsoe are both below average shooters.

Meanwhile, Brogdon is making the most of his opportunities. On drives he scores more and gets to the FT line more than Fournier.

[Bensational]

I see a lot of people saying Fournier had a 'down year', and that he could bounce back. But for the past 3 seasons he's been fluctuating between very similar numbers:

Spoiler:

16-17
32.9mpg
17.2ppg
6.0/13.7fgas (.439 fg%)
1.9/5.3 3fgas (.356 3fg%)
4.1ftas
3.1rpg
3.0apg

17-18
32.2mpg
17.8ppg
6.5/14.1fgas (.459 fg%)
2.2/5.9 3fgas (.379 3fg%)
3.0ftas
3.2rpg
2.9apg

18-19
31.5mpg
15.1ppg
5.8/13.2fgas (.438 fg%)
1.9/5.6 3fgas (.340 3fg%)
2.1ftas
3.2rpg
3.6apg

The Fournier we saw this season is more or less the Fournier we've seen for the past 3 seasons. Whilst his 3pt shooting dipped, there isn't much else for him to 'bounce back' up to. There's no real case of trading Fournier at his lowest, because he more or less is what he is. Could he improve? Of course. I'm not sure how that manifests, other than him working harder to get open, like JJ, or suddenly getting more calls from the refs on his drives.

yea but his 3pt shooting is major part of his offense - makes other aspects of his offensive game easier... .378 to.340 is a big drop - impacted everything

By that token, a .359 to .379 improvement from 16-17 to 17-18 should represent a big step up and be reflected in better numbers across the rest of his game - but it didn't.

[KillMonger]

either traded of moved to the bench is the ONLY options i will accept for fournier......i just don't understand how some people give Vuc the business and yet fournier gets a pass? Shot selection, tunnel vision and those COT DAMN FLOATERS had me going insane this season....i'd would've rather switch him and t-ross in the lineup because at least ross will make the right pass every now and then.

[Xatticus]

Brogdon is significantly better than Fournier at what Fournier currently gives us. He may not have the ceiling to transcend to a star, but he could give us a more efficient system player than Fournier who can hit his open shots, make the right pass, attack the rim on high efficiency, and defend well.

If they were both on the same contract, it's no competition that Brogdon is the better player. But to pull Brogdon away from Milwaukee, I suspect you need to pay him more than that. Then you have to weigh up if he will perform well enough to justify $20M per season, and maintain trade value in the event we need/want to flip him in the future.

This.

I can't believe this conversation is happening. Brogdon is rather obviously the superior player at both ends.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50–40–90_club

The entire list:
Larry Bird with the Boston Celtics
Malcolm Brogdon with the Milwaukee Bucks
Stephen Curry with the Golden State Warriors
Kevin Durant with the Oklahoma City Thunder
Reggie Miller with the Indiana Pacers
Steve Nash with the Phoenix Suns
Dirk Nowitzki with the Dallas Mavericks
Mark Price with the Cleveland Cavaliers

That said, I wouldn't target Brogdon this summer because I think it's a long shot and I do think he has benefited from his present situation. I just don't expect that he will be a bargain. If we could extricate the Fournier contract, I might be inclined to change my mind. Brogdon would be a nice complementary piece for our developing talents.

[shadrock]

I think we just need to redefine his role. Fournier is now a bench guy, he gets 22 mins a game, he doesnt get to call the shots on the biggest possessions in the game. As a bench guy, hes valuable, as a starter who is outmatched and relied upon too much, hes not value for money.

If we pay Ross, then Ross is our starter moving forward.

[pepe1991]

Brogdon is good shooter, but conservative one, who picks up his spots, and only shoots when he is wide open . Is that really a problem ? Not really. Perfect role player. But even if he is upgrade over Evan,that's latheral improvment , changing "old Evan" , for 13 days younger Malcolm

Funny how nobody pointed that last 2 years he simply can't stay healthy.
last year he was limited on 48 games, this year he is missing whole playoffs and only played 64 games in regular season.

Quadriceps tear in left foot last year , mild plantar fascia tear in his right foot this year. Missed 4 months of basketball through 2 years ( and still counting ).

[ezzzp]

But doesn't Fournier have the benefit of playing alongside a top 15 player who is also a spacing C like Lopez? As well as a much superior shooter and floor spacer in DJ over Bledsoe? Gordon isn't far off having a Middleton-like impact.

Antetokuonmpo is an MVP caliber player. Any team with that instantly makes ever shot way easier for everyone else, I'm sure you know that. But I'm glad to hear you admit that Vucevic was a top 15 player this season.

DJ creates space, but he doesn't have the same gravity that Bledsoe does. He is excellent at attacking the paint which bends the defense and creates easy looks for role players like Brogdon.

While we can dream that he'll be someday, Gordon isn't really that close to Middelton. KM is an All-Star who shot 38% from 3PT range at very high volume (9.8 per game) and is an excellent creator for others (20.8 AST%). Middleton can also shoot the very important pull-up shot (vital for players that are top 1-3 scoring options). He's at .504 eFG%, meanwhile AG is still a long way from being effective at that shot: .419 eFG%.

Fournier doesn't play in lineups with 3-4 below average shooters. Vuc + DJ are above average for their positions. Gordon is average. Isaac is below average. However, Giannis and Bledsoe are both below average shooters.

I was talking about (16-17 to 18-19) as those were the years you pointed to earlier...

• 16-17 Six players Fournier played most minutes with: Payton, Gordon, Ibaka, Vucevic, Augustin, and Biyombo

• 17-18 Six players Fournier played most minutes with: Payton, Gordon, Simmons, Biyombo, Augustin, and Vucevic

• 18-19

18-19 League Average 3P% = .362
18-19 League Average FG% from 16 'to 3PT = .400
18-19 League Average TS% = .556

Top 6 players Fournier played most minutes with in 18-19:

Augustin - (3PT).421 (16'-3P) .512 (TS%) .616
Gordon - (3PT) .349 (16'-3P) .340 (TS%) .538
Isaac - (3PT) .323 (16'-3P) .367 (TS%) .537
Vucevic - (3PT) .364 (16'-3P) .427 (TS%) .573
Ross - (3PT) .383 (16'-3P) .439 (TS%) .561
Iwundu - (3PT) .367 (16'-3P) .325 (TS%) .531

Meanwhile, Brogdon is making the most of his opportunities. On drives he scores more and gets to the FT line more than Fournier.

Both players have solid drive numbers:

Brogdon: 649 Drives / 343 FGA at .533 FG% / 7.4 AST% / 48 AST / 66 FTA
Fournier: 706 Drives / 311 FGA at .476 FG% / 11.9 AST% / 84 AST / 64 FTA

...the key difference is that Brogdon is playing off the gravity's of an MVP, an All-Star and a very good PG + very good spacing C.

You can see the difference with shooting defense: 3.7% of Brogdon's shots outside of 10' were defended (player less than 4' away), meanwhile 15% of Fournier's were.

Only TWO of Brogdon's 3PA's the entire season were defended...TWO. 52 of Fournier were defended...of note, on undefended 3PA's Fournier shot 41%.

[Bensational]

But doesn't Fournier have the benefit of playing alongside a top 15 player who is also a spacing C like Lopez? As well as a much superior shooter and floor spacer in DJ over Bledsoe? Gordon isn't far off having a Middleton-like impact.

Antetokuonmpo is an MVP caliber player. Any team with that instantly makes ever shot way easier for everyone else, I'm sure you know that. But I'm glad to hear you admit that Vucevic was a top 15 player this season.

Vuc may have had a top 15 season by the numbers, but that wasn't reflected in him being defended like a top 15 player, other than in the playoffs. If he were, it would have opened up better looks for others, the way the actual top 15 players in the league would. That would result in Fournier taking less defended shots, unless he's making poor shot selections.

DJ creates space, but he doesn't have the same gravity that Bledsoe does. He is excellent at attacking the paint which bends the defense and creates easy looks for role players like Brogdon.

While we can dream that he'll be someday, Gordon isn't really that close to Middelton. KM is an All-Star who shot 38% from 3PT range at very high volume (9.8 per game) and is an excellent creator for others (20.8 AST%). Middleton can also shoot the very important pull-up shot (vital for players that are top 1-3 scoring options). He's at .504 eFG%, meanwhile AG is still a long way from being effective at that shot: .419 eFG%.

I'm not going to make a case that Gordon and DJ are as good as Middleton or Bledsoe. Overall, they're not. But ultimately, they're not that bad that Fournier is seeing double teams, or an intensely higher level of defense than Brogdon. Milwaukee just work to get Brogdon better looks, and he makes better selections with his shots.

I was talking about (16-17 to 18-19) as those were the years you pointed to earlier...

Ahhh, right. Gotcha. Nevertheless, shouldn't his uptick in 3pt % from 16-17 to 17-18 have impacted his performance more, considering his downtick from 17-18 to 18-19 did?

Meanwhile, Brogdon is making the most of his opportunities. On drives he scores more and gets to the FT line more than Fournier.

Both players have solid drive numbers:

Brogdon: 649 Drives / 343 FGA at .533 FG% / 7.4 AST% / 48 AST / 66 FTA
Fournier: 706 Drives / 311 FGA at .476 FG% / 11.9 AST% / 84 AST / 64 FTA

...the key difference is that Brogdon is playing off the gravity's of an MVP, an All-Star and a very good PG + very good spacing C.[quote="ezzzp"]

I think the use of totals instead of per game numbers warps the numbers in Fournier's favour, considering Brogdon played almost 20 games less than Fournier. 10.1 drives per game vs 8.9. 6.5ppg vs 4.5ppg. 1fta vs 0.8fta. 0.8ast vs 1.1ast.

Again, why isn't Fournier credited with the benefit of Vuc's gravity, the gravity of one of the league's best shooting PGs, and Gordon keeping defenses honest?

I'm seeing a lot of work going into downplaying Brogdon's performance, but I'm still not seeing anything that presents Fournier as a significant player. Not when the team is starved for next level playmaking. Maybe Brogdon isn't the player to make that case for, in that regard. Unfortunately, there aren't many other options, and running back with Fournier feels like stagnation considering that he's plateaued for that past 3 seasons.