What are your best Fournier trade proposals?

[ezzzp]

By that token, a .359 to .379 improvement from 16-17 to 17-18 should represent a big step up and be reflected in better numbers across the rest of his game - but it didn't.

You have to add context. Fournier was red hot up until he got injured in December. He was putting up 19.3 ppg on killer .619 TS% / .497 FG% / 42% from 3PT and 88% from the charity stripe. He was flirting with 50/40/90 up until his injury. But as we all know he never got healthy and his numbers dropped off after he came back from injury and eventually was shut down for season in early March.

Also, despite post injury drop, you CAN see that improvement reflected in his numbers in relation to 3PT shooting:

• It opened up his midrange game: from 16'-3P range he went from .378 FG% to a killer .511

• His off the bounce game took a big jump, FGA with 3-6 Dribbles he went from 48.5 eFG% to 56.3 eFG%...this was most visible in how effective he got at attacking close outs...related to that - at the rim he went from .591 to .667 FG%.

[zaymon]

But doesn't Fournier have the benefit of playing alongside a top 15 player who is also a spacing C like Lopez? As well as a much superior shooter and floor spacer in DJ over Bledsoe? Gordon isn't far off having a Middleton-like impact.

Antetokuonmpo is an MVP caliber player. Any team with that instantly makes ever shot way easier for everyone else, I'm sure you know that. But I'm glad to hear you admit that Vucevic was a top 15 player this season.

DJ creates space, but he doesn't have the same gravity that Bledsoe does. He is excellent at attacking the paint which bends the defense and creates easy looks for role players like Brogdon.

While we can dream that he'll be someday, Gordon isn't really that close to Middelton. KM is an All-Star who shot 38% from 3PT range at very high volume (9.8 per game) and is an excellent creator for others (20.8 AST%). Middleton can also shoot the very important pull-up shot (vital for players that are top 1-3 scoring options). He's at .504 eFG%, meanwhile AG is still a long way from being effective at that shot: .419 eFG%.

Fournier doesn't play in lineups with 3-4 below average shooters. Vuc + DJ are above average for their positions. Gordon is average. Isaac is below average. However, Giannis and Bledsoe are both below average shooters.

I was talking about (16-17 to 18-19) as those were the years you pointed to earlier...

• 16-17 Six players Fournier played most minutes with: Payton, Gordon, Ibaka, Vucevic, Augustin, and Biyombo

• 17-18 Six players Fournier played most minutes with: Payton, Gordon, Simmons, Biyombo, Augustin, and Vucevic

• 18-19

18-19 League Average 3P% = .362
18-19 League Average FG% from 16 'to 3PT = .400
18-19 League Average TS% = .556

Top 6 players Fournier played most minutes with in 18-19:

Augustin - (3PT).421 (16'-3P) .512 (TS%) .616
Gordon - (3PT) .349 (16'-3P) .340 (TS%) .538
Isaac - (3PT) .323 (16'-3P) .367 (TS%)
Vucevic - (3PT) .364 (16'-3P) .427 (TS%) .573
Ross - (3PT) .383 (16'-3P) .439 (TS%) .561
Iwundu - (3PT) .367 (16'-3P) .325 (TS%) .531

Meanwhile, Brogdon is making the most of his opportunities. On drives he scores more and gets to the FT line more than Fournier.

Both players have solid drive numbers:

Brogdon: 649 Drives / 343 FGA at .533 FG% / 7.4 AST% / 48 AST / 66 FTA
Fournier: 706 Drives / 311 FGA at .476 FG% / 11.9 AST% / 84 AST / 64 FTA

...the key difference is that Brogdon is playing off the gravity's of an MVP, an All-Star and a very good PG + very good spacing C.

You can see the difference with shooting defense: 3.7% of Brogdon's shots outside of 10' were defended (player less than 4' away), meanwhile 15% of Fournier's were.

Only TWO of Brogdon's 3PA's the entire season were defended...TWO. 52 of Fournier were defended...of note, on undefended 3PA's Fournier shot 41%.

Great analysis. People who want to trade Fournier and sign Brogdon for more are delusional. I can see those threads year from now after Brogdon is injured and after worst year in his carrier: " we were better with Evan", " How much we must sacrifice to get rid of his contract" etc

[Bensational]

I wonder what it would take to get Saric from Minnesota? Not for us, but to flip him to Denver for Morris.

MIN: Fournier
DEN: Saric
ORL: Monte + Dieng

Dieng is wasted cap space, but Morris seems primed to take off as a starter. Maybe we could flip Dieng for an expiring?

[pepe1991]

Again, why isn't Fournier credited with the benefit of Vuc's gravity, the gravity of one of the league's best shooting PGs, and Gordon keeping defenses honest?

I'm seeing a lot of work going into downplaying Brogdon's performance, but I'm still not seeing anything that presents Fournier as a significant player. Not when the team is starved for next level playmaking. Maybe Brogdon isn't the player to make that case for, in that regard. Unfortunately, there aren't many other options, and running back with Fournier feels like stagnation considering that he's plateaued for that past 3 seasons.

Vučević, Gordon, Isaac and Dj combined for 422 threes this year on 1155 attemps. (37%) = 4 players, 422 threes.
Bledsoe, Middleton and Lopez combined for 490 threes this on 1332 attemps . ( 37%) = 3 players, 490 threes.

That's your 4 starters, making 68 threes less per game, on same percentages as 3 Bucks players. And do you know who is 5th Bucks starter? That 28 ppg player , this year's probable league's MVP.


Off bench is more of the same story, where Magic outside Ross have :
Iwundu ( 29 threes)
Grant ( 40)
Bamba ( 20)
Martin ( 20 )
Simmons (19)

Bucks have :
Snell (81)
Connagthon (66)
Ilyasova (58)
Brown (53)
Mirotić ( 31 in 27 games)

It's laughable to talk about floor spacing between this teams.

but I'm still not seeing anything that presents Fournier as a significant player.

And that's the point ,Evan isn't and should not be long term solution, but Brogdon, who will get A LOT of money, is just latheral improvment , if even that.
Age is identical ( 13 days).
Production is similar,given situation.
Upside does not exist ( both 27 years old )
Both are not and should not be your main ballhandlers.

Now can you play them together ? Maybe ? One has to play SF , and team would still need PG

[pepe1991]

I wonder what it would take to get Saric from Minnesota? Not for us, but to flip him to Denver for Morris.

MIN: Fournier
DEN: Saric
ORL: Monte + Dieng

Dieng is wasted cap space, but Morris seems primed to take off as a starter. Maybe we could flip Dieng for an expiring?

Insider info, he hates Minny

Minny is strange team, as long as Wiggins has his max contract,they can't do anything.

[SOUL]

It's clear to me how to approach Fournier watching him the last three years (which have been a rollercoaster) without trying to make mental gymnastics or find the exact stats that make him look better than he is, it seems pretty easy to form an opinion. He's a slightly better than average starting SG that is capable of having a big game and is a reliable shooter in the clutch.. and I mean strictly as a shooter. The decision making/shots that lead up to that is what bothers the hell out of me because it's so Jekyll & Hyde. He needs either a change of role or we need to find an Afflalo for Fournier type deal but with Fournier acting as Afflalo this time. It wasn't that popular of a move at first since nobody really knew who Fournier was, but it's clear that we got the better end of that trade seeing how Afflalo aged terribly.

So, yeah.. he is what he is. Some people are fine with that, I for one want an upgrade or eventual upgrade. Monte Morris is interesting because he has clear talent and had some really good months this year, but Denver is stacked with guards and he isn't seeing much time in the playoffs. I'm sure there's some other young players buried on teams that won't see much playing time next season, so hopefully we can hunt for that archetype. The contract is a bit of an issue though. I can only see teams taking that deal if they think that Fournier is going to take them over the top.

[ezzzp]

Vuc may have had a top 15 season by the numbers, but that wasn't reflected in him being defended like a top 15 player, other than in the playoffs. If he were, it would have opened up better looks for others, the way the actual top 15 players in the league would. That would result in Fournier taking less defended shots, unless he's making poor shot selections.

Are you saying Vucevic wasn't double teamed during the regular season?

I'm not going to make a case that Gordon and DJ are as good as Middleton or Bledsoe. Overall, they're not. But ultimately, they're not that bad that Fournier is seeing double teams, or an intensely higher level of defense than Brogdon. Milwaukee just work to get Brogdon better looks, and he makes better selections with his shots.

The big difference is that Fournier is way higher on opposing team's defensive game plan than Brogdon is. Teams go into Milwaukee focused on how they're going to stop Giannis, Middelton and Bledsoe...teams go into Amway game planned to stop Vucevic, Fournier and Gordon with starters and Ross with 2nd unit.

Ahhh, right. Gotcha. Nevertheless, shouldn't his uptick in 3pt % from 16-17 to 17-18 have impacted his performance more, considering his downtick from 17-18 to 18-19 did?

You have to add context. Fournier was red hot up until he got injured in December. He was putting up 19.3 ppg on killer .619 TS% / .497 FG% / 42% from 3PT and 88% from the charity stripe. He was flirting with 50/40/90 up until his injury. But as we all know he never got healthy and his numbers dropped off after he came back from injury and eventually was shut down for season in early March.

Also, despite post injury drop, you CAN see that improvement reflected in his numbers in relation to 3PT shooting:

• It opened up his midrange game: from 16'-3P range he went from .378 FG% to a killer .511

• His off the bounce game took a big jump, FGA with 3-6 Dribbles he went from 48.5 eFG% to 56.3 eFG%...this was most visible in how effective he got at attacking close outs...related to that - at the rim he went from .591 to .667 FG%.

I think the use of totals instead of per game numbers warps the numbers in Fournier's favour, considering Brogdon played almost 20 games less than Fournier. 10.1 drives per game vs 8.9. 6.5ppg vs 4.5ppg. 1fta vs 0.8fta. 0.8ast vs 1.1ast.

No it doesn't. Total is the most accurate way to look at it as it gives the actual volume of reps for season, %'s are the same.

Again, why isn't Fournier credited with the benefit of Vuc's gravity, the gravity of one of the league's best shooting PGs, and Gordon keeping defenses honest?

Wait, so at the beginning of this comment you are saying that Vucevic doesn't get defended, but now its convenient to say he has gravity? DJ spaces floor and teams defend him tight out there but he doesn't really bend defenses or attack the rim all that often, otherwise he'd be a much more impactful player and been a career starter instead of back up mostly. Gordon? AG gets left alone on perimeter and when he tries to drive defenders usually sag and coax him to shoot fade away mid ranger.

I'm seeing a lot of work going into downplaying Brogdon's performance, but I'm still not seeing anything that presents Fournier as a significant player. Not when the team is starved for next level playmaking. Maybe Brogdon isn't the player to make that case for, in that regard. Unfortunately, there aren't many other options, and running back with Fournier feels like stagnation considering that he's plateaued for that past 3 seasons.

I'm seeing a lot of pretending like Brogdon is not getting benefit of MVP, All-Star and high caliber PG. I'm not seeing anything that presents Brogdon as a significant player. Good player, nothing special...same as Fournier. Also Brogdon is same tier playmaker as Fournier, decent but not great. Fournier is better than you give him credit for, he's not an all-star but he's also not scrub like you want to paint picture that he is.

Fournier has NOT plateaued in past 3 years. He's improved every year, adding mid range efficiency, drive and drive creation, and this year defense. Just because he has bad 3pt shooting year doesn't equal "plateau" ...that's ridiculous.

[Bensational]

Well with a top 15 player and one of the best SGs in the league, I'm surprised we only won 42 games this season and needed Ross to bail us out with hot shooting every other night. 1 good season out of 5, but I suppose we should double down on that formula since it's all we know, and hope Fultz carries us to the promised land.

Offseason over everyone!

[pepe1991]

Well with a top 15 player and one of the best SGs in the league, I'm surprised we only won 42 games this season and needed Ross to bail us out with hot shooting every other night. 1 good season out of 5, but I suppose we should double down on that formula since it's all we know, and hope Fultz carries us to the promised land.

Offseason over everyone!

No need to act like jerk when somebody puts up evidence against your claim.
We can argue is Vučević top 15 or 25 player and is Brogdon significant improvment over Evan , but let's flip argument for second.

Magic for 2018-19 had $30M of dead cap space in Fultz ,Bamba and Mozgov . Bamba played 40 games and only contributed in negative way, other 2 did not suit up whole season.
Can you pin point one nba team that made made playoffs with 1/3 salary tied into dead salary cap?

John Wall and Wizards? Well not really, he was payed $19M for this season, and they did not make playoffs.

[NotACat]

I wonder what it would take to get Saric from Minnesota? Not for us, but to flip him to Denver for Morris.

MIN: Fournier
DEN: Saric
ORL: Monte + Dieng

Dieng is wasted cap space, but Morris seems primed to take off as a starter. Maybe we could flip Dieng for an expiring?

You want to move Fournier for a backup PG and a worse contract at a position we're stacked at? And get no FRP in return?

[zaymon]

I wonder what it would take to get Saric from Minnesota? Not for us, but to flip him to Denver for Morris.

MIN: Fournier
DEN: Saric
ORL: Monte + Dieng

Dieng is wasted cap space, but Morris seems primed to take off as a starter. Maybe we could flip Dieng for an expiring?

You want to move Fournier for a backup PG and a worse contract at a position we're stacked at? And get no FRP in return?

It seems more and more that Ben mindset is not how we can improve our team short and long term but rather, how to get rid of players he dont like

[VFX]

Well with a top 15 player and one of the best SGs in the league, I'm surprised we only won 42 games this season and needed Ross to bail us out with hot shooting every other night. 1 good season out of 5, but I suppose we should double down on that formula since it's all we know, and hope Fultz carries us to the promised land.

Offseason over everyone!

[ezzzp]

Well with a top 15 player and one of the best SGs in the league, I'm surprised we only won 42 games this season and needed Ross to bail us out with hot shooting every other night. 1 good season out of 5, but I suppose we should double down on that formula since it's all we know, and hope Fultz carries us to the promised land.

Offseason over everyone!

Vucevic was 19pt/11reb and 18pt/9reb player and in All-Star conversation before Frank Vogel arrived and set everyone back.

Vucevic has adapted to modern NBA by adding 3PT shot and developing his passing. In 17-18 he began to shoot 3's at low volume (204) and poor efficiency (.314) and in one season he has elevated the efficiency to (.364 at similar volume -231). Vucevic stated that key for his offseason development strategy was to improve his 3PT shooting as Clifford gave him target should be to take +6 threes per game next season.

You don't think that's going to come in handy for playing next to Fultz, Gordon, and Isaac?

Also, Ross had to bail out the 2nd unit, he was not bailing out the starters. The Bamba/Grant/Simmons trio were losing leads every night and cratering team into holes that were too much for starters to dig out of.

For the season, two starting units:

• DJ/Fournier/Gordon/Isaac/Vucevic = NET RTG +9.5/ OFF RTG 104.7 / DEF RTG 95.2

• DJ/Fournier/Iwundu/Isaac/Vucevic = NET RTG +16.6 / OFF RTG 110.8 / DEF RTG 94.1

For period before Bamba injury 10/17 to 1/9:

• DJ/Fournier/Gordon/Isaac/Vucevic = NET RTG +3.1 / OFF RTG 105.0 / DEF RTG 102.0

• DJ/Fournier/Iwundu/Isaac/Vucevic = NET RTG +6.8 / OFF RTG 113.6 / DEF RTG 106.8

That's with Fournier having anomaly worst 3pt shooting season of his career.

[SOUL]

I wonder what it would take to get Saric from Minnesota? Not for us, but to flip him to Denver for Morris.

MIN: Fournier
DEN: Saric
ORL: Monte + Dieng

Dieng is wasted cap space, but Morris seems primed to take off as a starter. Maybe we could flip Dieng for an expiring?

You want to move Fournier for a backup PG and a worse contract at a position we're stacked at? And get no FRP in return?

It seems more and more that Ben mindset is not how we can improve our team short and long term but rather, how to get rid of players he dont like

That's not fair to say. You can copy paste these mindsets to Afflalo and Fournier trade and you'd be wrong back then. Young Fournier would be the "backup SG" that we'd be trading for in Morris (who has slightly better stats than Fournier at that time), and current Fournier would be Afflalo (who also has better stats than Fournier now with 18 ppg 45/42/81 shooting).

It can't be Fournier for Monte straight up because Denver just isn't going to take 17 million straight and probably has no room. Dieng's contract sucks and we'd have to let go of Birch but again, it's because Monte's contract is a steal for what he produced this year and will be on a $1 million dollar contract the next 2 years as well.

[zaymon]

You want to move Fournier for a backup PG and a worse contract at a position we're stacked at? And get no FRP in return?

It seems more and more that Ben mindset is not how we can improve our team short and long term but rather, how to get rid of players he dont like

That's not fair to say. You can copy paste these mindsets to Afflalo and Fournier trade and you'd be wrong back then. Young Fournier would be the "backup SG" that we'd be trading for in Morris (who has slightly better stats than Fournier at that time), and current Fournier would be Afflalo (who also has better stats than Fournier now with 18 ppg 45/42/81 shooting).

It can't be Fournier for Monte straight up because Denver just isn't going to take 17 million straight and probably has no room. Dieng's contract sucks and we'd have to let go of Birch but again, it's because Monte's contract is a steal for what he produced this year and will be on a $1 million dollar contract the next 2 years as well.

You have your points i must say but you give 6'7 versatile defender who plays position of your biggest need to aquire 6'3 guard where you have Fultz and Dj. Morris is only two and a half year younger than Fournier, Afflalo was 7 years older. In my mind Fournier for Morris would be up for a debate but Dieng sitting on your bench for 15 M is a deal breaker. People dont want Vucevic for 20-24 M and are ok with Dieng for 17 in 2021 ?

[SOUL]

You have your points i must say but you give 6'7 versatile defender who plays position of your biggest need to aquire 6'3 guard where you have Fultz and Dj. Morris is only two and a half year younger than Fournier, Afflalo was 7 years older. In my mind Fournier for Morris would be up for a debate but Dieng sitting on your bench for 15 M is a deal breaker. People dont want Vucevic for 20-24 M and are ok with Dieng for 17 in 2021 ?

I can definitely see the reasons for not doing it, just don't think it's a move Ben is doing "just to get rid of Fournier". I wouldn't hate the deal depending on how Morris turns out, I'm quite high on him and not at all convinced that Fultz is our answer until we see him actually string some good games together. But it would have to depend if we kept Ross or not and some other factors for me to want to do this specific trade.

[Bensational]

I wonder what it would take to get Saric from Minnesota? Not for us, but to flip him to Denver for Morris.

MIN: Fournier
DEN: Saric
ORL: Monte + Dieng

Dieng is wasted cap space, but Morris seems primed to take off as a starter. Maybe we could flip Dieng for an expiring?

You want to move Fournier for a backup PG and a worse contract at a position we're stacked at? And get no FRP in return?

It seems more and more that Ben mindset is not how we can improve our team short and long term but rather, how to get rid of players he dont like

It seems some people don't want to confront the need to make trades to improve this team. I've said it before, even if you trade Gordon, or Isaac, or Bamba, the player you're likely bringing back in return will be a backcourt player. That makes Fournier and DJ redundant. Fournier can't play SF in a Clifford defense, because he will get abused by size and on the boards. Considering WeHam have stated that Bamba, Isaac and Fultz are the core, Vuc and Ross are FAs, it leaves us with a small pool of players that we could actually trade. Gordon, Fournier or DJ. Again, trade Gordon, and unless you get back a playmaking SF, you're bringing in someone that will make Fournier expendable.

Just because Monte Morris plays backup PG for now, doesn't mean he's not capable of a larger role. Do your homework, the kid is a stud.

[Bensational]

It seems more and more that Ben mindset is not how we can improve our team short and long term but rather, how to get rid of players he dont like

That's not fair to say. You can copy paste these mindsets to Afflalo and Fournier trade and you'd be wrong back then. Young Fournier would be the "backup SG" that we'd be trading for in Morris (who has slightly better stats than Fournier at that time), and current Fournier would be Afflalo (who also has better stats than Fournier now with 18 ppg 45/42/81 shooting).

It can't be Fournier for Monte straight up because Denver just isn't going to take 17 million straight and probably has no room. Dieng's contract sucks and we'd have to let go of Birch but again, it's because Monte's contract is a steal for what he produced this year and will be on a $1 million dollar contract the next 2 years as well.

You have your points i must say but you give 6'7 versatile defender who plays position of your biggest need to aquire 6'3 guard where you have Fultz and Dj. Morris is only two and a half year younger than Fournier, Afflalo was 7 years older. In my mind Fournier for Morris would be up for a debate but Dieng sitting on your bench for 15 M is a deal breaker. People dont want Vucevic for 20-24 M and are ok with Dieng for 17 in 2021 ?

Fournier plays our position of biggest need, yet... it's still our position of biggest need. I think that should answer your own question right there.

Fultz is unreliable, but if he returns to promise, he has enough height to handle running a dual PG backcourt like Dame and CJ.

DJ shouldn't even be a factor for anyone. He's old, expiring, and really only worthy of being a backup PG at this point.

Dieng is the piece that makes the deal work, because I'm not even sure the Nuggets would want Fournier, and I don't think the Wolves give up Saric + Teague for Fournier + DJ. If they were, then do it. If the Nugs were happy to do Barton + Morris for Fournier, sign me up! Or even Plumlee + Morris for Fournier, even better!

[ezzzp]

I think the question should be WHEN will there be the best Fournier trade options.

In my opinion the best use of Fournier as a trade asset will involve combining him with Aaron Gordon in 20-21 at the trade deadline.

There is a reason why Aaron Gordon's contract was structured the way it was. Is it a coincidence that in 20-21 Fournier and Gordon's contracts combine for $35m ($18m + $17m)...the trade salary match for a max player? I think this FO laid the groundwork for a pivotal trade deadline in 20-21.

That year Fournier is an expiring contract and Gordon is a season away from hitting unrestricted free agency. That point will more than likely be the peak trade value for both players and possibly the best chance for a consolidation trade upgrade.

It is very rare that a player stays with his drafting team for 3 contracts. When it happens its nearly always players who are franchise caliber, or close to it, looking to get the biggest contract possible. I find it unlikely that AG will be at that level and thus very unlikely that Gordon re-signs with Magic to spend his peak prime years in Orlando. He'll for the first time be able to choose where he lives and plays. Its going to take contender potential to keep him in Orlando. How likely is that to be realistic outlook in 1.5 years?

To me, that 20-21 trade deadline is when the Magic should be targeting and stockpiling a variety of assets to be ready strike.

[Bensational]

Well with a top 15 player and one of the best SGs in the league, I'm surprised we only won 42 games this season and needed Ross to bail us out with hot shooting every other night. 1 good season out of 5, but I suppose we should double down on that formula since it's all we know, and hope Fultz carries us to the promised land.

Offseason over everyone!

Vucevic was 19pt/11reb and 18pt/9reb player and in All-Star conversation before Frank Vogel arrived and set everyone back.

Vucevic has adapted to modern NBA by adding 3PT shot and developing his passing. In 17-18 he began to shoot 3's at low volume (204) and poor efficiency (.314) and in one season he has elevated the efficiency to (.364 at similar volume -231). Vucevic stated that key for his offseason development strategy was to improve his 3PT shooting as Clifford gave him target should be to take +6 threes per game next season.

You don't think that's going to come in handy for playing next to Fultz, Gordon, and Isaac?

Also, Ross had to bail out the 2nd unit, he was not bailing out the starters. The Bamba/Grant/Simmons trio were losing leads every night and cratering team into holes that were too much for starters to dig out of.

For the season, two starting units:

• DJ/Fournier/Gordon/Isaac/Vucevic = NET RTG +9.5/ OFF RTG 104.7 / DEF RTG 95.2

• DJ/Fournier/Iwundu/Isaac/Vucevic = NET RTG +16.6 / OFF RTG 110.8 / DEF RTG 94.1

For period before Bamba injury 10/17 to 1/9:

• DJ/Fournier/Gordon/Isaac/Vucevic = NET RTG +3.1 / OFF RTG 105.0 / DEF RTG 102.0

• DJ/Fournier/Iwundu/Isaac/Vucevic = NET RTG +6.8 / OFF RTG 113.6 / DEF RTG 106.8

That's with Fournier having anomaly worst 3pt shooting season of his career.

So then the solution is to run the same SL back, but replace the impact of Ross (who had the highest differential of any player on our team between W's and L's), and fill out the bench, and we're golden? Sure, I'd be happy with another playoff appearance, if we make it. I'd be apprehensive of Clifford's track record of his teams regressing after their first season with him, but hopefully we'd have more talent and better balance of that talent.

But even if we do run back the same squad and make the playoffs, the future then hinges on Fultz regaining star college form, or Isaac or Bamba showing unpredictable growth as on ball playmakers. It doesn't fill me with hope or excite me. I think there's a happy medium of preserving room for growth, whilst keeping Vuc for his impact and veteran experience, whilst being more aggressive at finding some backcourt playmakers. Resting on our laurels now feels like wasted time.