The Kyrie thread - he probably doesnt bleed green

[StojkoVrankovic]

lol besides Ainge literally saying so himself, he also didn't even entertain trading Kyrie at the deadline. If he had any doubt that Kyrie would leave he would have shipped him. Ainge never lets guys walk for free that have value

why on earth would you hang your hat on this? means nothing

the entire history of Ainge as a gm. It's stronger evidence than ANY suggesting Kyrie is leaving. In fact I challenge you to find any credible evidence at all

or it means he overplayed his hand once again?

[ajones9219]

You are really stanning. You remind me of me when Al Horford was a FA. I was like, no chance in hell he would leave. We will pay him. He is our franchise. We are building and we have Bud. My man took less money to go to a better fit and if KD would have stayed, he would have went to OKC.

I'm not arguing loyalty. I'm arguing Boston is still the best fit if you make a few moves

I don't think Boston is the best fit honestly for KI. Kyrie stinks in this system when it matters. I don't think AD is the best fit for him either unless it's AD, him and KD. I think him and KD in Fizdale's Miami styled offensive system is the best fit for Kyrie. Where he and Durant can ball stop but it's okay because they will just run the 4 out set with little movement anyway. Most of their actions will come via out of bound plays. Just a better fit for Kyrie's game. I actually think Boston/Stevens is a good fit for AD but man, you don't want to only have him as the superstar and you have no great young players due to the trade and you got Miami/LAL and other teams chopping at the bit to land AD. Everyone will have cap space in 2020. That includes Golden State. I wouldn't risk it honestly. Too many teams will space.

You gotta make trades like Toronto did where they didn't give up much for Leonard but it's unlikely Boston will be able to do that with AD since LA will be offering the world for him and they will just use them to leverage Boston into more value.

Boston has a lot of positive assets and in a great place but in order to hit a home run, it heavily depends on Kyrie.

I guess we can agree to disagree on fit. I think AD/Kyrie/Horford would be outrageously lethal in PnR/PnP scenarios. I have complete belief that Ainge gets it done. IMO they are bidding against themselves as I think Lonzo and Ingrams value has cratered since the deadline, especially Ingram

[ajones9219]

why on earth would you hang your hat on this? means nothing

the entire history of Ainge as a gm. It's stronger evidence than ANY suggesting Kyrie is leaving. In fact I challenge you to find any credible evidence at all

or it means he overplayed his hand once again?

Once again including?

[BeanTownBrawler]

How the f do you any of you guys want this guy on the celtics? Is it not the obvious he is pure cancer? Ugh

[StojkoVrankovic]

the entire history of Ainge as a gm. It's stronger evidence than ANY suggesting Kyrie is leaving. In fact I challenge you to find any credible evidence at all

or it means he overplayed his hand once again?

Once again including?

Kawhi/Butler

[OldCeltics]

Nah, AInge is certain he can get Kyrie back. I expect him to make a big time gamble

You are certain, but Ainge likely isn't. I get it, you focused this entire offseason on Kyrie/AD but that was always a dream to be honest until Kyrie decides he wants to lock in.

lol besides Ainge literally saying so himself, he also didn't even entertain trading Kyrie at the deadline. If he had any doubt that Kyrie would leave he would have shipped him. Ainge never lets guys walk for free that have value

There is a strong chance he's just gambling that he can convince Irving. Irving has not committed.

Not many GMs want to trade with, or even talk with Ainge any more because he fleeces teams. An after the IT trade, it rubbed many players the wrong way. Maybe he couldn't find a suitable trade.

Ainge (Get well soon please) with all respect will say anything to anyone, half the time he's lying. Not because he wants to but because that is what the job demands.

[ajones9219]

or it means he overplayed his hand once again?

Once again including?

Kawhi/Butler

He barely made any offers for either player according to sources, so it seems clear to me that he didn't want them. I don't see that as overplaying your hand

[ajones9219]

You are certain, but Ainge likely isn't. I get it, you focused this entire offseason on Kyrie/AD but that was always a dream to be honest until Kyrie decides he wants to lock in.

lol besides Ainge literally saying so himself, he also didn't even entertain trading Kyrie at the deadline. If he had any doubt that Kyrie would leave he would have shipped him. Ainge never lets guys walk for free that have value

There is a strong chance he's just gambling that he can convince Irving. Irving has not committed.

Not many GMs want to trade with, or even talk with Ainge any more because he fleeces teams. An after the IT trade, it rubbed many players the wrong way. Moving Irving would be career suicide. No player agents, or GMs would talk to Ainge going forward.

Ainge (Get well soon please, we all love you) with all respect will say anything to anyone, half the time he's lying. Not because he wants to but because that is what the job demands.

It's not the fact that he didn't move him its the fact that he seemingly didn't even entertain offers. That tells me a lot more than anything so far. Even if you think you will catch flak if you suspect your main guy is going to walk, you at least listen to offers

[OldCeltics]

How the f do you any of you guys want this guy on the celtics? Is it not the obvious he is pure cancer? Ugh

Agree and disagree.

Irving remains a bad leader, and poor decision maker, and should never be your #1 option.

However he is an all-star talent. If paired with another star like KD or Davis it could work. At the very least its worth trying.

If however, we decided to go a different route, or he walks in free agency, I would not be disappointed.

[King Ken]

why on earth would you hang your hat on this? means nothing

the entire history of Ainge as a gm. It's stronger evidence than ANY suggesting Kyrie is leaving. In fact I challenge you to find any credible evidence at all

or it means he overplayed his hand once again?

Assuming he overplayed his hand, what will he do if Kyrie leaves and he trades Hayward. That gives 30,680,956 with Rozier's cap hold. Would you consider signing Kemba Walker and removing Rozier's cap hold?

Kemba
Tatum
Brown
???
Horford

You keep most of your 1st round picks. Hayward contract is gone. Kemba fits Stevens system a lot better than Ky does. I would consider it if I am Boston. After doing the trade math, it's unlikely Boston will come out with more than 20 million releasing all cap holds. That said, much better financial situation. Especially in 2020.

[ajones9219]

Ironically I think Kyrie is more likely to stay with him playing poorly than him scoring 40 a night and us losing anyway. I think theres no way he wants to go play with a guy like KD/LeBron and the narrative be that he couldn't get it done so he had to ride someone coattail. At least if Boston gets AD he gets a pass because he is already here

[King Ken]

Ironically I think Kyrie is more likely to stay with him playing poorly than him scoring 40 a night and us losing anyway. I think theres no way he wants to go play with a guy like KD/LeBron and the narrative be that he couldn't get it done so he had to ride someone coattail. At least if Boston gets AD he gets a pass because he is already here

If he goes to NY, the media will just hype it up. At the end of the day, the NBA needs the NY media and the ratings. He isn't Bron or someone that important. He doesn't have that media pull where he is the difference maker. He is what he is, an elite #2 option.

[ajones9219]

Ironically I think Kyrie is more likely to stay with him playing poorly than him scoring 40 a night and us losing anyway. I think theres no way he wants to go play with a guy like KD/LeBron and the narrative be that he couldn't get it done so he had to ride someone coattail. At least if Boston gets AD he gets a pass because he is already here

If he goes to NY, the media will just hype it up. At the end of the day, the NBA needs the NY media and the ratings. He isn't Bron or someone that important. He doesn't have that media pull where he is the difference maker. He is what he is, an elite #2 option.

I really don't buy the NY thing. If Kyrie elected to leave I would be shocked if it's NY imo

[StojkoVrankovic]

the entire history of Ainge as a gm. It's stronger evidence than ANY suggesting Kyrie is leaving. In fact I challenge you to find any credible evidence at all

or it means he overplayed his hand once again?

Assuming he overplayed his hand, what will he do if Kyrie leaves and he trades Hayward. That gives 30,680,956 with Rozier's cap hold. Would you consider signing Kemba Walker and removing Rozier's cap hold?

Kemba
Tatum
Brown
???
Horford

You keep most of your 1st round picks. Hayward contract is gone. Kemba fits Stevens system a lot better than Ky does. I would consider it if I am Boston.

SO many things to think about

We can't dump Hayward and keep our assets. his contract is horrendous.

Torn on Kemba, a forever UConn fan and not sure I would want to pay him a max contract. Also, not sold on having him play next to Brown/Tatum. Seems like a treadmill team. Go young and see what we have in Brown/Tatum or Kyrie/AD. No desire on anything in between

I have never been right about anything, so it will probably Rozier's team next season

[King Ken]

or it means he overplayed his hand once again?

Assuming he overplayed his hand, what will he do if Kyrie leaves and he trades Hayward. That gives 30,680,956 with Rozier's cap hold. Would you consider signing Kemba Walker and removing Rozier's cap hold?

Kemba
Tatum
Brown
???
Horford

You keep most of your 1st round picks. Hayward contract is gone. Kemba fits Stevens system a lot better than Ky does. I would consider it if I am Boston.

SO many things to think about

We can't dump Hayward and keep our assets. his contract is horrendous.

Torn on Kemba, a forever UConn fan and not sure I would want to pay him a max contract. Also, not sold on having him play next to Brown/Tatum. Seems like a treadmill team. Go young and see what we have in Brown/Tatum or Kyrie/AD. No desire on anything in between

He has to trade Hayward, that contract is booty.

I agree.

[Froob]

Tempted to say **** Kyrie and bring home Rondo. Hope Tatum stops being passive, and run with the young guys.

Rondo
Hayward
JB
Tatum
Horford

Not terrible, I still believe Hayward comes around.

[ajones9219]

Assuming he overplayed his hand, what will he do if Kyrie leaves and he trades Hayward. That gives 30,680,956 with Rozier's cap hold. Would you consider signing Kemba Walker and removing Rozier's cap hold?

Kemba
Tatum
Brown
???
Horford

You keep most of your 1st round picks. Hayward contract is gone. Kemba fits Stevens system a lot better than Ky does. I would consider it if I am Boston.

SO many things to think about

We can't dump Hayward and keep our assets. his contract is horrendous.

Torn on Kemba, a forever UConn fan and not sure I would want to pay him a max contract. Also, not sold on having him play next to Brown/Tatum. Seems like a treadmill team. Go young and see what we have in Brown/Tatum or Kyrie/AD. No desire on anything in between

He has to trade Hayward, that contract is booty.

I think Hayward comes back full Utah next year but no chance will anyone take his contract before that happens

[King Ken]

Ironically I think Kyrie is more likely to stay with him playing poorly than him scoring 40 a night and us losing anyway. I think theres no way he wants to go play with a guy like KD/LeBron and the narrative be that he couldn't get it done so he had to ride someone coattail. At least if Boston gets AD he gets a pass because he is already here

If he goes to NY, the media will just hype it up. At the end of the day, the NBA needs the NY media and the ratings. He isn't Bron or someone that important. He doesn't have that media pull where he is the difference maker. He is what he is, an elite #2 option.

I really don't buy the NY thing. If Kyrie elected to leave I would be shocked if it's NY imo

I wouldn't want this guy in BS system. I mean...

Read on Twitter

[ajones9219]

If he goes to NY, the media will just hype it up. At the end of the day, the NBA needs the NY media and the ratings. He isn't Bron or someone that important. He doesn't have that media pull where he is the difference maker. He is what he is, an elite #2 option.

I really don't buy the NY thing. If Kyrie elected to leave I would be shocked if it's NY imo

I wouldn't want this guy in BS system. I mean...

Read on Twitter

lol i mean 90% of the time he isn't wrong. You're also comparing Ty Lue to BS which is hilarious. I really don't see him as a fit issue. He's averaged double digit assists in the playoffs

[StojkoVrankovic]

If he goes to NY, the media will just hype it up. At the end of the day, the NBA needs the NY media and the ratings. He isn't Bron or someone that important. He doesn't have that media pull where he is the difference maker. He is what he is, an elite #2 option.

I really don't buy the NY thing. If Kyrie elected to leave I would be shocked if it's NY imo

I wouldn't want this guy in BS system. I mean...

Read on Twitter

is that good? please tell me that is good, please?