WCSF | (1) Golden State Warriors vs (4) Houston Rockets, Part Two (Series tied 2-2)

GYK · Post #2601 » by **GYK** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:25 am

Chuck just said KD is holding the Warriors backcourt back. that's why you gotta leave kiddo. they were terrible before this game you had to carry them. one good 1st quarter and its all "when the ball is moving they are better, KD stops the ball" as if the ball isn't moving and they not bricking. they keep bricking and its somehow your fault.

Wonderllama · Post #2602 » by **Wonderllama** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:25 am

Rockets should have a 3-1 lead

cpower · Post #2603 » by **cpower** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:27 am

GYK wrote:Chuck just said KD is holding the Warriors backcourt back. that's why you gotta leave kiddo. they were terrible before this game you had to carry them. one good 1st quarter and its all "when the ball is moving they are better, KD stops the ball" as if the ball isn't moving and they not bricking. they keep bricking and its somehow your fault.

well Chuck is not entirely wrong. the old warriors offense was more smooth than this year's offense. We are barely getting any decent looks. Why was that?

bargnanimvp · Post #2604 » by **bargnanimvp** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:31 am

JH5 wrote:
bargnanimvp wrote:
dynamic duo wrote:shoyld be 3-1 rockets if it weren't for the epic rig job in game 1.

could be 3-1 warriors if it weren't for 5-6 blown calls on curry in the 4th today

2-2 boys and girls.

Don’t complain about fouls, both ways.

Agree, i'm just sick of fans complaining and missing the point that bad calls go both ways all the time in this league. I'm pretty sick of the way the NBA does not hold refs accountable and the way they flip flop between one thing being a foul one day then not being a foul the next is what creates this blame the refs culture that is so toxic right now. Imagine if other big sports during their play offs/finals/important games just arbitrarily have days where they 'let them play' and don't call their sports by the actual rule book. Not talking specifically about today that much but it just annoys me in the NBA right now.

Congrats to the rockets though, if anything i think i want them to win this series this year for a change up.

GYK · Post #2605 » by **GYK** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:33 am

cpower wrote:
GYK wrote:Chuck just said KD is holding the Warriors backcourt back. that's why you gotta leave kiddo. they were terrible before this game you had to carry them. one good 1st quarter and its all "when the ball is moving they are better, KD stops the ball" as if the ball isn't moving and they not bricking. they keep bricking and its somehow your fault.

well Chuck is not entirely wrong. the old warriors offense was more smooth than this year's offense. We are barely getting any decent looks. Why was that?

because Klay and Steph have been worse? really you have two seasons of the old offense with mixed success. the most playoff success is the version pre greatest season of all time steph anyway. but still the most success the team you love ever had is with KD. he is the clear difference maker you have. your most consistent performer. even if you think the best of Curry is better for any run or series game in and out KD gives the most elite level of consistent play. the framing of one ring really skews the perception of what was accomplished because KD brought a dynasty.

igorbianch · Post #2606 » by **igorbianch** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:34 am

cpower wrote:
GYK wrote:Chuck just said KD is holding the Warriors backcourt back. that's why you gotta leave kiddo. they were terrible before this game you had to carry them. one good 1st quarter and its all "when the ball is moving they are better, KD stops the ball" as if the ball isn't moving and they not bricking. they keep bricking and its somehow your fault.

well Chuck is not entirely wrong. the old warriors offense was more smooth than this year's offense. We are barely getting any decent looks. Why was that?

Because teams adapt and learn to defend the winner better. Rockets built this team specifically to beat the Warriors.

2016 Warriors wouldn’t be able to run that smooth offense forever. The league always catch up.

Wolfgang630 · Post #2607 » by **Wolfgang630** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:34 am

Rockets have to look at Game 5 as a Game 7. This is the game you need to steal.

Post #2608 » by **ken6199** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:34 am

After game 2 everyone were piling on the Rockets. Dirty, whining, choking, they deserve to be swept all that. Some said GS would go to Houston and step a foot on their throat. The rockets balled out like soldiers, dominating the boards, husttling on every play, and "played the game the right way". (Credit to all those GS fans who stayed humble.)

I hope they offer a seat to Doc on their flight to Oakland. Or even better, a 10 day contract as special advisor to the head coach. Love you Doc.

I want game 5.

zshawn10 · Post #2609 » by **zshawn10** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:34 am

James Harden has 143 points this series.

Steph Curry and Klay Thompson have a combined 145 points.

TinmanZBoy · Post #2610 » by **TinmanZBoy** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:36 am

cpower wrote:one thing I'd like to bring up is how bad our offensive execution is...like how easier Rockets get their opens vs ours. I don't believe the rockets are that better defensively..most like how awful our offense is. Klay,KD, Curry takes turns randomly and sometimes Curry/KD barely takes a shot for 12 mins..so terrible. Kerr is still clueless about the offense. we are winning games because we have two great shot makers

Kerr makes the offense a little bit complicated, shooters need a little unconscious rhythm particularly for Steph and Klay... why not let them chuck some threes off picks, handoffs they have the quickest release, if they have a couple of dropped in early basically any team will be on their mercy... it seems Rockets are winning the shooting battle in every game, it really should not be... the warriors basically have three superior shooters than rockets... but rockets are just determined to chuck threes with any window... why? Because it opens up things inside, the Rockets has the simplest offense,

Krazykiwi · Post #2611 » by **Krazykiwi** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:36 am

Tracymcgoaty wrote:Someone please explain to me how curry is an all time great because i must be **** missing something.

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He’s not . Only the Curry fanboys think of that . The man is just an pretty decent offensive player who’s also a huge liability on defense .If he’s not hitting 3s at a high clip, he’s pretty close to useless . He had an amazing shooting regular season at 15-16, but people forgot the 73 wins team wasn’t as good as their record indicate as they fell behind OKC 1-3 and lost at the finals . They sorta sneaked up on the league with the small ball 3 point shooting. But ultimately you need to have some elite ISO one on one skills to succeed in tough playoffs . Like I said before , kD immediately joined the Warriors saved Curry from being exposed as a gimmick one and done player . Warriors would not have won the two rings without KD. And people would just viewed Curry as a top 20 player whos close to an all star level , not top 2-3 player .

Post #2612 » by **og15** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:37 am

cpower wrote:
GYK wrote:Chuck just said KD is holding the Warriors backcourt back. that's why you gotta leave kiddo. they were terrible before this game you had to carry them. one good 1st quarter and its all "when the ball is moving they are better, KD stops the ball" as if the ball isn't moving and they not bricking. they keep bricking and its somehow your fault.

well Chuck is not entirely wrong. the old warriors offense was more smooth than this year's offense. We are barely getting any decent looks. Why was that?

Those Bogut screens also helped a lot in the past, they don't have a large screener playing any minutes anymore. Rockets are also much better on defense than people recognize. I don't know specifically about open looks, but the old Warriors Ortg didn't hold up vs better defenses either.

For example, in 14-15, Warriors had a 111.6 Ortg in the regular season. vs Memphis is was 107 Ortg, vs Cleveland it was 107.3 Ortg.

In 15-16, Warriors had a 114.5 Ortg in the regular season. vs OKC, it was 107.8 Ortg, vs Cleveland it was 108.5 Ortg.

cpower · Post #2613 » by **cpower** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:38 am

GYK wrote:
cpower wrote:
GYK wrote:Chuck just said KD is holding the Warriors backcourt back. that's why you gotta leave kiddo. they were terrible before this game you had to carry them. one good 1st quarter and its all "when the ball is moving they are better, KD stops the ball" as if the ball isn't moving and they not bricking. they keep bricking and its somehow your fault.

well Chuck is not entirely wrong. the old warriors offense was more smooth than this year's offense. We are barely getting any decent looks. Why was that?

because Klay and Steph have been worse? really you have two seasons of the old offense with mixed success. the most playoff success is the version pre greatest season of all time steph anyway. but still the most success the team you love ever had is with KD. he is the clear difference maker you have. your most consistent performer. even if you think the best of Curry is better for any run or series game in and out KD gives the most elite level of consistent play. the framing of one ring really skews the perception of what was accomplished because KD brought a dynasty.

i am not saying Curry played good, he was bad this series. But when the offense went through him there was a difference and we came back to beat the rockets last year. Yes KD gives the most consistent PPG out of anyone but he has not been the playmaker and defender he ought to be. Curry is just as equally important, if not more to get the warriors to where they want to be. Do you know the record when we have KD and no Curry for the warriors for the past 3 years?

TaylorTRoom · Post #2614 » by **TaylorTRoom** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:38 am

KD has 180 minutes. 45 per game. Playing like this in OKC, his jump shot abandoned him late in series.

yoyoboy · Post #2615 » by **yoyoboy** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:39 am

cpower wrote:
GYK wrote:Chuck just said KD is holding the Warriors backcourt back. that's why you gotta leave kiddo. they were terrible before this game you had to carry them. one good 1st quarter and its all "when the ball is moving they are better, KD stops the ball" as if the ball isn't moving and they not bricking. they keep bricking and its somehow your fault.

well Chuck is not entirely wrong. the old warriors offense was more smooth than this year's offense. We are barely getting any decent looks. Why was that?

Even if it looked better, by the numbers the Warriors' postseason offense is clearly better since Durant joined though.

2014: 110.2 ORTG (+1.5 rORTG)
2015: 108.7 ORTG (+3.4 rORTG)
2016: 110.5 ORTG (+3.8 rORTG)
(Durant joins)
2017: 119.0 ORTG (+7.7 rORTG)
2018: 113.9 ORTG (+5.0 rORTG)
2019: 119.6 ORTG (+10.2 rORTG)

It's not particularly close. Beauty of the offense aside, it's clearly and unsurprisingly been more effective with a guy who's been averaging 31.1 ppg on 64% TS and 4.6 apg in the postseason for you guys since he joined. And that's one reason why I want Durant to leave. While I think the media and casual sports fans overrate how good Durant is, I don't think Warriors fans give him enough credit.

LarsV8 · Post #2616 » by **LarsV8** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:39 am

Sick of this ****, Rockets should have a 3-1 lead.

zshawn10 · Post #2617 » by **zshawn10** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:40 am

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Chanel Bomber · Post #2618 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:40 am

The Warriors have been progressively going away from their motion offense as Durant's stature grows and it has lead to a less efficient shotchart. That's why I believe the Rockets are able to hang with the Warriors despite being significantly less talented than the Warriors overall. The Warriors have never been more dangerous than when Curry was focal point of their offense. Curry's just a better player at leading a team to great heights.

jradMIT · Post #2619 » by **jradMIT** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:41 am

bargnanimvp wrote:
JH5 wrote:
bargnanimvp wrote:could be 3-1 warriors if it weren't for 5-6 blown calls on curry in the 4th today

2-2 boys and girls.

Don’t complain about fouls, both ways.

Agree, i'm just sick of fans complaining and missing the point that bad calls go both ways all the time in this league. I'm pretty sick of the way the NBA does not hold refs accountable and the way they flip flop between one thing being a foul one day then not being a foul the next is what creates this blame the refs culture that is so toxic right now. Imagine if other big sports during their play offs/finals/important games just arbitrarily have days where they 'let them play' and don't call their sports by the actual rule book. Not talking specifically about today that much but it just annoys me in the NBA right now.

Congrats to the rockets though, if anything i think i want them to win this series this year for a change up.

I completely agree on the second point. I’ve never understood why the whole concept of “let them play” is so acceptable. Why is the NBA the only sport like this? Imagine in the NFL in the playoffs DB’s could take liberties in coverage and Olinemen could get no calls on holds, or in the MLB all of a sudden the strike zone gets larger and ties stopped going to runners. It’s ridiculous but that’s the way it is, and they wonder why the officiating is getting ripped. If it’s a foul in March it’s a foul in May.

However to the first point game 1 was a horribly officiated game, like historically bad, there’s a reason why it got so much flack. its because it was that terrible. Nothing is above criticism and game 1s was well deserved.

bargnanimvp · Post #2620 » by **bargnanimvp** » Tue May 7, 2019 4:42 am

jradMIT wrote:
bargnanimvp wrote:
JH5 wrote:2-2 boys and girls.

Don’t complain about fouls, both ways.

Agree, i'm just sick of fans complaining and missing the point that bad calls go both ways all the time in this league. I'm pretty sick of the way the NBA does not hold refs accountable and the way they flip flop between one thing being a foul one day then not being a foul the next is what creates this blame the refs culture that is so toxic right now. Imagine if other big sports during their play offs/finals/important games just arbitrarily have days where they 'let them play' and don't call their sports by the actual rule book. Not talking specifically about today that much but it just annoys me in the NBA right now.

Congrats to the rockets though, if anything i think i want them to win this series this year for a change up.

I completely agree. I’ve never understood why the whole concept of “let them play” is so acceptable. Why is the NBA the only sport like this? Imagine in the NFL in the playoffs DB’s could take liberties in coverage and Olinemen could get no calls on holds, or in the MLB all of a sudden the strike zone gets larger and ties stopped going to runners. It’s ridiculous but that’s the way it is, and they wonder why the officiating is getting ripped. If it’s a foul in March it’s a foul in May.

Tennis in a grand slam and the ball is clearly out but the umpire just says "nah i'm letting you guys play it's in today"

What's your prediction?