The Kyrie thread - he probably doesnt bleed green

[King Ken]

I really don't buy the NY thing. If Kyrie elected to leave I would be shocked if it's NY imo

I wouldn't want this guy in BS system. I mean...

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lol i mean 90% of the time he isn't wrong. You're also comparing Ty Lue to BS which is hilarious. I really don't see him as a fit issue. He's averaged double digit assists in the playoffs

We see the proof in this series. Indy without Dipo isn't a real playoff team. Bill Simmons is saying it best. We are seeing the triple crown of bad Basketball in this series from Boston. Bad shot, Awful D, and poorly run offense and do you know who is conducting the train this year that wasn't last year in the playoffs?

Just going back to your point on the fit with Stevens. To be honest, I like Lue a lot as a coach just like I like Stevens. Two different styles and both are effective.

[ajones9219]

I wouldn't want this guy in BS system. I mean...

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lol i mean 90% of the time he isn't wrong. You're also comparing Ty Lue to BS which is hilarious. I really don't see him as a fit issue. He's averaged double digit assists in the playoffs

We see the proof in this series. Indy without Dipo isn't a real playoff team. Bill Simmons is saying it best. We are seeing the triple crown of bad Basketball in this series from Boston. Bad shot, Awful D, and poorly run offense and do you know who is conducting the train this year that wasn't last year in the playoffs?

Just going back to your point on the fit with Stevens. To be honest, I like Lue a lot as a coach just like I like Stevens. Two different styles and both are effective.

I wish we never won a playoff game last year honestly. It was fools gold that destroyed team chemistry. I dont put the bulk of that on Kyrie. That's on guys like Brown/Tatum/Rozier that bought into their own hype

[King Ken]

lol i mean 90% of the time he isn't wrong. You're also comparing Ty Lue to BS which is hilarious. I really don't see him as a fit issue. He's averaged double digit assists in the playoffs

We see the proof in this series. Indy without Dipo isn't a real playoff team. Bill Simmons is saying it best. We are seeing the triple crown of bad Basketball in this series from Boston. Bad shot, Awful D, and poorly run offense and do you know who is conducting the train this year that wasn't last year in the playoffs?

Just going back to your point on the fit with Stevens. To be honest, I like Lue a lot as a coach just like I like Stevens. Two different styles and both are effective.

I wish we never won a playoff game last year honestly. It was fools gold that destroyed team chemistry. I dont put the bulk of that on Kyrie. That's on guys like Brown/Tatum/Rozier that bought into their own hype

That wasn't fool's gold. Those guys played well together. The success they had might have been over the top but they played well and earned it.

[Jaqua92]

We see the proof in this series. Indy without Dipo isn't a real playoff team. Bill Simmons is saying it best. We are seeing the triple crown of bad Basketball in this series from Boston. Bad shot, Awful D, and poorly run offense and do you know who is conducting the train this year that wasn't last year in the playoffs?

Just going back to your point on the fit with Stevens. To be honest, I like Lue a lot as a coach just like I like Stevens. Two different styles and both are effective.

I wish we never won a playoff game last year honestly. It was fools gold that destroyed team chemistry. I dont put the bulk of that on Kyrie. That's on guys like Brown/Tatum/Rozier that bought into their own hype

That wasn't fool's gold. Those guys played well together.

It was fool's gold because that team doesn't get out of first round this year.

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[King Ken]

I wish we never won a playoff game last year honestly. It was fools gold that destroyed team chemistry. I dont put the bulk of that on Kyrie. That's on guys like Brown/Tatum/Rozier that bought into their own hype

That wasn't fool's gold. Those guys played well together.

It was fool's gold because that team doesn't get out of first round this year.

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The east is MUCH better this year. That's not no one's fault. Everyone made massive improvements they wouldn't have made if Bron was still here.

[ajones9219]

That wasn't fool's gold. Those guys played well together.

It was fool's gold because that team doesn't get out of first round this year.

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The east is MUCH better this year. That's not no one's fault. Everyone made massive improvements they wouldn't have made if Bron was still here.

I dont think that team makes it out of the second round last year most times, possibly not even the first. With Kyrie last year they were competing for best record in the league. He isn't the problem. I'd buy that if this was his first year in green

[ajones9219]

https://www.celticsblog.com/2019/2/4/18211632/boston-celtics-confident-re-signing-kyrie-irving-and-willing-to-make-major-offer-for-anthony-davis
I remember this article/woj bomb tweet from right before the deadline. Pretty much what ive been saying my feeling is. Ainge is extremely confident they will re-sign Kyrie and will make a big push for Davis no matter what. I think Ainge has known what the ceiling is for this team and has been pushing hard behind the scenes to line everything up

[oldshoolballer]

How the f do you any of you guys want this guy on the celtics? Is it not the obvious he is pure cancer? Ugh

Agree and disagree.

Irving remains a bad leader, and poor decision maker, and should never be your #1 option.

However he is an all-star talent. If paired with another star like KD or Davis it could work. At the very least its worth trying.

If however, we decided to go a different route, or he walks in free agency, I would not be disappointed.

Kyrie can't lead a team as a #1 option he's a very good second option at best.You also have to factor in he's not good defensively

[Floody100]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a so-called “superstar” talk so much & deliver so little like this before.

[wco81]

Kyrie said he won’t shoot 8-22 again. Game 4 he was 7-22.

[Cyclical]

Hoping for a game 5 win to just leave this s#itshow with an ounce of dignity but, let's face it, this team never had chemistry with Kyrie as our best player. Never. Most wins weren't that enjoyable and all losses were frustratingly predictable.

Maybe things will change with him and AD together but honestly, the way I'm feeling now is I'd rather start fresh with AD without Kyrie. A small handful of "wow" plays every game don't mean s#it. You have to be a leader; You have to communicate out there, and inspire. Kyrie doesn't do any of these things. Kyrie does Kyrie.

[cloverleaf]

It's hard to read this and argue that Kyrie is anything but a jerk:

https://www.clnsmedia.com/souza-kyrie-irving-leaves-lasting-impression-walk-off-celtics-loss/

[FlatearthZorro]

Bring back Rondo

He was balling when healthy this season... Brad is gonna have to put his hands up a few times, tho...

[FlatearthZorro]

We see the proof in this series. Indy without Dipo isn't a real playoff team. Bill Simmons is saying it best. We are seeing the triple crown of bad Basketball in this series from Boston. Bad shot, Awful D, and poorly run offense and do you know who is conducting the train this year that wasn't last year in the playoffs?

Just going back to your point on the fit with Stevens. To be honest, I like Lue a lot as a coach just like I like Stevens. Two different styles and both are effective.

I wish we never won a playoff game last year honestly. It was fools gold that destroyed team chemistry. I dont put the bulk of that on Kyrie. That's on guys like Brown/Tatum/Rozier that bought into their own hype

That wasn't fool's gold. Those guys played well together. The success they had might have been over the top but they played well and earned it.

I think as I said, you add a guy like for the sake of the argument a fully healthy Darren Collison and replace Irving, this team and the young guys might be better. And I'm not even joking.

[Gooner]

Hoping for a game 5 win to just leave this s#itshow with an ounce of dignity but, let's face it, this team never had chemistry with Kyrie as our best player. Never. Most wins weren't that enjoyable and all losses were frustratingly predictable.

Maybe things will change with him and AD together but honestly, the way I'm feeling now is I'd rather start fresh with AD without Kyrie. A small handful of "wow" plays every game don't mean s#it. You have to be a leader; You have to communicate out there, and inspire. Kyrie doesn't do any of these things. Kyrie does Kyrie.

They had chemistry last season with Kyrie. They had that unexpected 16 game win streak, and they just played good basketball. But this year, the trust has been broken, and it was never repaired. Circumstances were difficult, too many players who think they are better than the really are, Hayward coming back, trade rumors, Brad struglling with all of that...But there is no excuse for Kyrie this season. He just talked too much, and isolated himself from his teammates. It all came out in this series, and it was ugly.

[phraoh]

[quote="CSL_1904"]If LeBron had Lillard instead of Kyrie he'd probably have won 2 or 3 rings in Cleveland. LeBron gave Kyrie a legacy, that's how it is. Otherwise the Kyrie lead Cavs wouldn't have made the playoffs even once.

Terrible leader, terrible communicator, terrible defender, can't run an offense, seems way less explosive than a few years ago, Kobe-wannabe trying terrible shot after terrible shot. Oh, and injury prone as well. Why are we going to give him a max contract, really?[/quote]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Kyrie is a great offensive player, but just a good (not great) player overall, and his personality makes him a terrible leader. Its too bad he can't accept being the 2nd or 3rd best player on a championship team, but that is what he is. To me the Celtics are better off without him, as he will never physically be a durable player and they will regret giving him a max contract. Celtics problem, and part of that was due to unfortunate injury, is having Hayward eat up such a large chunk of cap space.

[greenroom31]

Some of this piling on is unfair and excessive (making a huge deal about his post-game comments, etc.), but it's fair to criticize Kyrie's performance more generally in the playoffs. This is when stars are supposed to step up -- contrast him with Jokic, Giannis, Harden, KD, Kawhi, Embiid, or the other bonafide stars he puts himself in the same class with and the performance doesn't meet expectations so far.

With the exception of Game 2 against Indiana (37/6/7) he's had a pretty pedestrian playoffs. Through 8 games he's averaging 22/5/8 and 3 TOs with 40% shooting (33% from 3pt). By contrast, Steph who isn't even playing that well overall is averaging 23/6/5 on 45% shooting (38% from 3pt). Durant is 35/5/5 on 52% shooting (43% from 3pt). Hell, Jamal Murray is averaging 22/4/4 on 45% shooting (35% from 3pt). Murray is probably the better comp for Kyrie this playoffs.

If you want to stake your claim as a top player in the league the playoffs is the place to do it and so far it's been a C+ type performance from Kyrie. All of his quirky behavior and comments are cute and endearing if he's playing at an A level, but when he plays the way he has been, people want to run him out of town. That's how it goes I guess.

[fallguy]

Some of this piling on is unfair and excessive (making a huge deal about his post-game comments, etc.), but it's fair to criticize Kyrie's performance more generally in the playoffs. This is when stars are supposed to step up -- contrast him with Jokic, Giannis, Harden, KD, Kawhi, Embiid, or the other bonafide stars he puts himself in the same class with and the performance doesn't meet expectations so far.

With the exception of Game 2 against Indiana (37/6/7) he's had a pretty pedestrian playoffs. Through 8 games he's averaging 22/5/8 and 3 TOs with 40% shooting (33% from 3pt). By contrast, Steph who isn't even playing that well overall is averaging 23/6/5 on 45% shooting (38% from 3pt). Durant is 35/5/5 on 52% shooting (43% from 3pt). Hell, Jamal Murray is averaging 22/4/4 on 45% shooting (35% from 3pt). Murray is probably the better comp for Kyrie this playoffs.

If you want to stake your claim as a top player in the league the playoffs is the place to do it and so far it's been a C+ type performance from Kyrie. All of his quirky behavior and comments are cute and endearing if he's playing at an A level, but when he plays the way he has been, people want to run him out of town. That's how it goes I guess.

The comments are not cute and endearing in any context. He's a toxic locker room force no matter how he plays on the court.

[Curmudgeon]

Kyrie is a complete fraud. Our big star has been uttter crap when it mattered. He told us all year how good he was. He told Brown, Tatum and Rozier that they didn't know how to win, and then he made that grandstand phone call to LeBron. Finally he told us, wait for the playoffs, I'll show you how good I am. Well, we've seen. What's he shooting, 25% in the last three games? Meanwhile, he plays ZERO defense and undermines Brad's authority.

Of course he has company: two friggin points from Gordon Hayward, our 30M man.

Kyrie, you've teased us all year about leaving in free agency, now leave, for God's sakes. You were born to be a New York Knick. If Ainge offers Kyrie nickel, Ainge ought to be fired (unless it's a sign and trade). Let James Dolan pay this jerk.

[amory87]

I think it's actually pretty hilarious, even as a die hard Celtics fan, that after all his big talk about the playoffs he crashed and burned in such spectacular fashion. He frankly deserves every bit of what he's getting.

Kyrie's mouth exceeds his talent by a country mile, and that's saying something because he's an incredibly talented player. He's the highest level star without being a superstar. But he's not a superstar.