BaF Season Two: Announcement on page 80

[SOUL]

Yeah I don't think there's a diff between 2K or this really, like I said, only make the change if you feel it's easier for you, Bish.

[2010]

Couple things because I'm on my way out the door to my sons baseball game and then AAU practice...

First, not sure what the objection is to the sim? The standings were very close to the preseason power rankings that some GM's submitted. Of course there were a few teams that surprised and a few that disappointed but that happens IRL every year also. Overall, I think that the teams that most people would think were the top teams, ended up being the top teams while the teams that finished in the lottery, finished in the lottery. Also, when you look at the stats (leaderboards), the players on them, are the same ones who are on the IRL leaderboards. So if the sim gets the standings and the individual stats close enough to real life, not sure what else people would ask for? Of course it isn't perfect and I'm not a 2K guy at all so if you all want to go in another direction, then feel free.

Secondly, as far as the injuries go...I would say that the injuries are random and with them toned down this year to 70%, much more realistic. Look at total games lost due to injury and the real NBA players missed more time then the sim players IMO. I don't think that you should take injuries completely out of the game and I don't see why you would base them on real life injuries at this time. As far as the "double hit" teams get when a player gets injured, I don't see it. We only have one year to go on, but I would say it's fake news that players who suffer IRL injuries (Cousins, Wall) will suffer in the next sim season. The proof of that is just looking at the sim seasons that Porzingis and Hayward had this year. Of course, its possible that next years sim players get rated differently but at least for one season, that wasn't the case.

Next...I have an idea on how to incorporate extensions for players drafted that I think is fair. I worked on it throughout the season but didn't want to post it because, quite honestly, participation in the discussion threads were pretty dead throughout the year (other then deadline time). There were only a handful of GMs who actively participated, I wasn't sure if that was due to a lack of interest or what but I didn't want to submit anything so big until the time was right. So, my idea for extensions will be published next week right after the lottery when we will hopefully have more people on the discussion thread actively participating.

Finally, rookie contracts...first round picks are making exactly what real life rookie first rounders are making in proportion to our salary cap. I worked all the math to make sure that they are making the same exact percentage that real teams are paying their first rounders. Second rounders don't have salary slots IRL, so I used a sliding scale that decreased as the pick lowered. Since everyone feels that those picks salaries are to high, the start of that scale can be brought down a bit. I will look into that before the draft.

Yeah, Cousins tore his achilles last season and was still rated a maximum rating 5.0 for this season's SIM. Your case study on Porzingis and Hayward support the theory that IRL injuries are a non-factor in the SIM. Let's hope that trend continues!

I am very eager to hear your plan for extensions. Particularly since I have a lot of young players who have great upside that I'd like to hold onto before they have an opportunity to hit the open market of free agency.

I support lowering the start of the salary scale for 2nd rounders. I stand corrected since you stated 1st's are on an identical percentage of the cap as the NBA, then no need to look into lowering the scale for 1st rounders.

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I'm not a 2K guy at all so if you all want to go in another direction, then feel free.

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Nah b, you stuck wit us FOREVER!!!

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We not letting you off the hook that easy

[El Poochio]

Couple things because I'm on my way out the door to my sons baseball game and then AAU practice...

First, not sure what the objection is to the sim? The standings were very close to the preseason power rankings that some GM's submitted. Of course there were a few teams that surprised and a few that disappointed but that happens IRL every year also. Overall, I think that the teams that most people would think were the top teams, ended up being the top teams while the teams that finished in the lottery, finished in the lottery. Also, when you look at the stats (leaderboards), the players on them, are the same ones who are on the IRL leaderboards. So if the sim gets the standings and the individual stats close enough to real life, not sure what else people would ask for? Of course it isn't perfect and I'm not a 2K guy at all so if you all want to go in another direction, then feel free.

Secondly, as far as the injuries go...I would say that the injuries are random and with them toned down this year to 70%, much more realistic. Look at total games lost due to injury and the real NBA players missed more time then the sim players IMO. I don't think that you should take injuries completely out of the game and I don't see why you would base them on real life injuries at this time. As far as the "double hit" teams get when a player gets injured, I don't see it. We only have one year to go on, but I would say it's fake news that players who suffer IRL injuries (Cousins, Wall) will suffer in the next sim season. The proof of that is just looking at the sim seasons that Porzingis and Hayward had this year. Of course, its possible that next years sim players get rated differently but at least for one season, that wasn't the case.

Next...I have an idea on how to incorporate extensions for players drafted that I think is fair. I worked on it throughout the season but didn't want to post it because, quite honestly, participation in the discussion threads were pretty dead throughout the year (other then deadline time). There were only a handful of GMs who actively participated, I wasn't sure if that was due to a lack of interest or what but I didn't want to submit anything so big until the time was right. So, my idea for extensions will be published next week right after the lottery when we will hopefully have more people on the discussion thread actively participating.

Finally, rookie contracts...first round picks are making exactly what real life rookie first rounders are making in proportion to our salary cap. I worked all the math to make sure that they are making the same exact percentage that real teams are paying their first rounders. Second rounders don't have salary slots IRL, so I used a sliding scale that decreased as the pick lowered. Since everyone feels that those picks salaries are to high, the start of that scale can be brought down a bit. I will look into that before the draft.

Yeah, Cousins tore his achilles last season and was still rated a maximum rating 5.0 for this season's SIM. Your case study on Porzingis and Hayward support the theory that IRL injuries are a non-factor in the SIM. Let's hope that trend continues!

But why would we want that trend to continue if we want it to be as realistic as possible? Hayward is buns lol. I want it to be as realistic as possible. Scores in sim are like half the points of real life games. I think there is more chance in 2k than sim Jokic - Drummond dont work as good where things like spacing, player characteristics could kick in (I know he paired Jokic - Drummond just cuz of sim, which is exactly what I want to prevent). At worst, ratings in 2k are pretty much spot on. Basically biggest reason I am advocating for 2k over this sim is I think more money goes into 2k, more people are working on it, it gets improved on every year, and so will have a better algorithm

[El Poochio]

Just think on it, you are sitting at home watching your fantasy team going at it against someone else's fantasy team in Game 7 of Conference Semis, computer vs computer, high resolution graphics where you can smell the sweat of your players, next level shİt

[El Poochio]

Twitch streaming, sexy 3toheadmelo would even bring ads, sponsors and revenue to the league I bet

[El Poochio]

Why dont we experiment on it someone who has 2k upload rosters for playoff teams and maybe broadcast a game or something?

[El Poochio]

Need Sacto eliminate Portland so Smash would be raging on sim and go full throttle 2k proving

[3toheadmelo]

One of the biggest reasons I want 2k over the sim is because of the player ratings always being a year behind. I feel like I’m wasting a year of my players contracts just to wait for their ratings to be updated. Let’s say we start the season with 2k but in like December, we can use whatever ratings they have by then which would be much more accurate than what the sim has which is one year behind.

Injuries also aren’t as hectic in 2k than in the sim.

If the sim is much easier for bish then we should stick with it but i think 2k would better reflect this game more accurately imo.

[Smash3]

Need Sacto eliminate Portland so Smash would be raging on sim and go full throttle 2k proving

So true

[bishnykfan]

Couple things because I'm on my way out the door to my sons baseball game and then AAU practice...

First, not sure what the objection is to the sim? The standings were very close to the preseason power rankings that some GM's submitted. Of course there were a few teams that surprised and a few that disappointed but that happens IRL every year also. Overall, I think that the teams that most people would think were the top teams, ended up being the top teams while the teams that finished in the lottery, finished in the lottery. Also, when you look at the stats (leaderboards), the players on them, are the same ones who are on the IRL leaderboards. So if the sim gets the standings and the individual stats close enough to real life, not sure what else people would ask for? Of course it isn't perfect and I'm not a 2K guy at all so if you all want to go in another direction, then feel free.

Secondly, as far as the injuries go...I would say that the injuries are random and with them toned down this year to 70%, much more realistic. Look at total games lost due to injury and the real NBA players missed more time then the sim players IMO. I don't think that you should take injuries completely out of the game and I don't see why you would base them on real life injuries at this time. As far as the "double hit" teams get when a player gets injured, I don't see it. We only have one year to go on, but I would say it's fake news that players who suffer IRL injuries (Cousins, Wall) will suffer in the next sim season. The proof of that is just looking at the sim seasons that Porzingis and Hayward had this year. Of course, its possible that next years sim players get rated differently but at least for one season, that wasn't the case.

Next...I have an idea on how to incorporate extensions for players drafted that I think is fair. I worked on it throughout the season but didn't want to post it because, quite honestly, participation in the discussion threads were pretty dead throughout the year (other then deadline time). There were only a handful of GMs who actively participated, I wasn't sure if that was due to a lack of interest or what but I didn't want to submit anything so big until the time was right. So, my idea for extensions will be published next week right after the lottery when we will hopefully have more people on the discussion thread actively participating.

Finally, rookie contracts...first round picks are making exactly what real life rookie first rounders are making in proportion to our salary cap. I worked all the math to make sure that they are making the same exact percentage that real teams are paying their first rounders. Second rounders don't have salary slots IRL, so I used a sliding scale that decreased as the pick lowered. Since everyone feels that those picks salaries are to high, the start of that scale can be brought down a bit. I will look into that before the draft.

Yeah, Cousins tore his achilles last season and was still rated a maximum rating 5.0 for this season's SIM. Your case study on Porzingis and Hayward support the theory that IRL injuries are a non-factor in the SIM. Let's hope that trend continues!

But why would we want that trend to continue if we want it to be as realistic as possible? Hayward is buns lol. I want it to be as realistic as possible. Scores in sim are like half the points of real life games. I think there is more chance in 2k than sim Jokic - Drummond dont work as good where things like spacing, player characteristics could kick in (I know he paired Jokic - Drummond just cuz of sim, which is exactly what I want to prevent). At worst, ratings in 2k are pretty much spot on. Basically biggest reason I am advocating for 2k over this sim is I think more money goes into 2k, more people are working on it, it gets improved on every year, and so will have a better algorithm

We don't know how that trend will continue. I assume that the sim gave Hayward a decent rating this year based on how he had played before his injury and I will assume that next year, his rating will go down based on this years play. Scoring in the sim is basically 90% of what IRL scores are, not perfect by any means but also not half. Also, makes a bit of sense when you realize that more than a handful of teams were not out here trying to field competitive teams and/or played without adjusting offensive settings. Like I said, I have no idea how different 2K would be because I don't use it and my only knowledge of it is when my 12 year old screams while playing it...so admittedly, I have a bias against it, lol. As far as Utah goes, you maybe right, a lineup with Jokic and Drummond together is unusual. But their spacing was not awful with Barnes, Curry, Bullock, Mills and Russell on the perimeter and Jokic seems to be a player who can play off of anyone. Also, they lost 4-1 in the first round of the playoffs so maybe the sim thinks that that kind of lineup wouldn't work as well in postseason ball as during the regular season? I think the ratings in the sim are pretty good overall, they do go up/down during our sim season as well, but obviously that is based on the player in the sim, not the IRL player, which is where 2K seems to differ if I'm not mistaken?

But again, if melo or anyone can get sponsors and ads for these games, I'd be all for it considering the last two years I've worked on this for very little. I don't know enough about 2k or how any of that would work so if someone wants to take over, feel free to branch this off in that direction.

[bishnykfan]

One of the biggest reasons I want 2k over the sim is because of the player ratings always being a year behind. I feel like I’m wasting a year of my players contracts just to wait for their ratings to be updated. Let’s say we start the season with 2k but in like December, we can use whatever ratings they have by then which would be much more accurate than what the sim has which is one year behind.

Injuries also aren’t as hectic in 2k than in the sim.

If the sim is much easier for bish then we should stick with it but i think 2k would better reflect this game more accurately imo.

I'm not sure that is true this year though. Ayton got a 3.0/4.0 rating. His per 36 in the sim was 14/10/2/1/1 compared to 19/12/2/1/1 IRL. When you factor in that he played the second half of the year next to Valanciunas and Randle, you can see why his sim numbers would be slightly lower than when you look at who he played with in Phoenix.

Bagley got a 2.5/3/5
Doncic got a 3.0/5.0 which jumped to 3.5 during the season.
Jackson got 2.5/3.5 which jumped to 3.0 during the season.
Young got a 2.5/3.5 which jumped to 3.0 during the season.

I could go on, but basically most of the lottery got pretty good opening ratings and most of them went up as the year progressed. Considering the contributions that most rookies gave were fairly close to their IRL numbers, I don't see why you feel like rookies can't contribute.

[SOUL]

Game 7 let's goooooooo

[2010]

3 game 7's wow! Some great conference semis this season. Teams with their backs against the wall and facing elimination have answered the bell.

[3toheadmelo]

One of the biggest reasons I want 2k over the sim is because of the player ratings always being a year behind. I feel like I’m wasting a year of my players contracts just to wait for their ratings to be updated. Let’s say we start the season with 2k but in like December, we can use whatever ratings they have by then which would be much more accurate than what the sim has which is one year behind.

Injuries also aren’t as hectic in 2k than in the sim.

If the sim is much easier for bish then we should stick with it but i think 2k would better reflect this game more accurately imo.

I'm not sure that is true this year though. Ayton got a 3.0/4.0 rating. His per 36 in the sim was 14/10/2/1/1 compared to 19/12/2/1/1 IRL. When you factor in that he played the second half of the year next to Valanciunas and Randle, you can see why his sim numbers would be slightly lower than when you look at who he played with in Phoenix.

Bagley got a 2.5/3/5
Doncic got a 3.0/5.0 which jumped to 3.5 during the season.
Jackson got 2.5/3.5 which jumped to 3.0 during the season.
Young got a 2.5/3.5 which jumped to 3.0 during the season.

I could go on, but basically most of the lottery got pretty good opening ratings and most of them went up as the year progressed. Considering the contributions that most rookies gave were fairly close to their IRL numbers, I don't see why you feel like rookies can't contribute.

I am not really talking about rookies though. For example, I have two guys who played like borderline all stars IRL (Randle and LaVine) but yet they played like bench players in the sim. Randle was so bad I had to put him on the bench. If their ratings were updated, I definitely could’ve made the playoffs so it was a little frustrating to be in the lottery again. Ratings are always gonna be a year behind so whenever a player has a breakout season irl, it won’t reflect in the sim until a year later. I personally feel like it’s wasting a year of the player’s contract but that’s just me

[Mecca]

Game 7. Battle of the OG's. Lets rock Swiss.

[bringbackhoffa]

I like the SiM, i agree with Bish that the reason the Box score were some times out of whack were due to some of the line ups being put out and teams not updating lien ups for injured players. Also u have to look at players who got in foul trouble or injured during a game, if u had no depth ubqerw in trouble.

- bringLebronHOME

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[Phish Tank]

yeah I'm indifferent on the SIM.

When's the lottery again?

[Manhattan Project]

Am I a joke to you?

With that being said Drummond might actually be on the block once the offseason starts.

[bishnykfan]

One of the biggest reasons I want 2k over the sim is because of the player ratings always being a year behind. I feel like I’m wasting a year of my players contracts just to wait for their ratings to be updated. Let’s say we start the season with 2k but in like December, we can use whatever ratings they have by then which would be much more accurate than what the sim has which is one year behind.

Injuries also aren’t as hectic in 2k than in the sim.

If the sim is much easier for bish then we should stick with it but i think 2k would better reflect this game more accurately imo.

I'm not sure that is true this year though. Ayton got a 3.0/4.0 rating. His per 36 in the sim was 14/10/2/1/1 compared to 19/12/2/1/1 IRL. When you factor in that he played the second half of the year next to Valanciunas and Randle, you can see why his sim numbers would be slightly lower than when you look at who he played with in Phoenix.

Bagley got a 2.5/3/5
Doncic got a 3.0/5.0 which jumped to 3.5 during the season.
Jackson got 2.5/3.5 which jumped to 3.0 during the season.
Young got a 2.5/3.5 which jumped to 3.0 during the season.

I could go on, but basically most of the lottery got pretty good opening ratings and most of them went up as the year progressed. Considering the contributions that most rookies gave were fairly close to their IRL numbers, I don't see why you feel like rookies can't contribute.

I am not really talking about rookies though. For example, I have two guys who played like borderline all stars IRL (Randle and LaVine) but yet they played like bench players in the sim. Randle was so bad I had to put him on the bench. If their ratings were updated, I definitely could’ve made the playoffs so it was a little frustrating to be in the lottery again. Ratings are always gonna be a year behind so whenever a player has a breakout season irl, it won’t reflect in the sim until a year later. I personally feel like it’s wasting a year of the player’s contract but that’s just me

Players in the sim do have their ratings improve/decline throughout the sim season though. I just think that this is based on sim performance not real life performance obviously. LaVine and Randle were definitely both much better this year than they have ever been before. But both players had tremendous opportunity to blossom IRL in Chicago and New Orleans. Their situations were perfect for them to show their all star abilities. Randle playing for you didn't work out as well. His rating never improved but he was playing in a crowded frontcourt and averaged only 23MPG. You had other players ratings increase this year in season. Randle didn't work out this year and you're right, the sim will take a year to adjust to his IRL production. I don't know how 2K works exactly but I kinda like the idea that the performance in the sim determines ratings going up/down.

[bishnykfan]

yeah I'm indifferent on the SIM.

When's the lottery again?

Monday night