The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

ProcessDoctor · Post #261 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed May 8, 2019 3:36 am

Good post Mik. Simmons for Booker might be our only hope. Would Phoenix bite at this point? The whole league is seeing what we're seeing.

Mik317 · Post #262 » by **Mik317** » Wed May 8, 2019 3:41 am

ProcessDoctor wrote:Good post Mik. Simmons for Booker might be our only hope. Would Phoenix bite at this point? The whole league is seeing what we're seeing.

only if they get hosed in the draft lottery. I think they are desperate for Morant as most of the other prospects overlap w/ Jackson , Warren and Bridges. But if anything my guess is that they'd offer up the pick and one of those dudes for Ben instead of Booker.

any Ben trade is going to come w/ downsides and it won't be the seemless trade people make it out to be. If you trade Ben then it will be for a package of starters...not a star. That's not how the NBA works.

Jimmy Butler was traded for Cov and Dario ffs/

ProcessDoctor · Post #263 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed May 8, 2019 3:46 am

Mik317 wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Good post Mik. Simmons for Booker might be our only hope. Would Phoenix bite at this point? The whole league is seeing what we're seeing.

only if they get hosed in the draft lottery. I think they are desperate for Morant as most of the other prospects overlap w/ Jackson , Warren and Bridges. But if anything my guess is that they'd offer up the pick and one of those dudes for Ben instead of Booker.

any Ben trade is going to come w/ downsides and it won't be the seemless trade people make it out to be. If you trade Ben then it will be for a package of starters...not a star. That's not how the NBA works.

Jimmy Butler was traded for Cov and Dario ffs/

Trading Ben also seems like the type of move you’d regret. On paper he’s a stud. Just certain matchups and/or periods of complacency really stain his value to our team. We should have 3 all-stars and we look like we have 1.5.

Mik317 · Post #264 » by **Mik317** » Wed May 8, 2019 3:58 am

ProcessDoctor wrote:
Mik317 wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Good post Mik. Simmons for Booker might be our only hope. Would Phoenix bite at this point? The whole league is seeing what we're seeing.

only if they get hosed in the draft lottery. I think they are desperate for Morant as most of the other prospects overlap w/ Jackson , Warren and Bridges. But if anything my guess is that they'd offer up the pick and one of those dudes for Ben instead of Booker.

any Ben trade is going to come w/ downsides and it won't be the seemless trade people make it out to be. If you trade Ben then it will be for a package of starters...not a star. That's not how the NBA works.

Jimmy Butler was traded for Cov and Dario ffs/

Trading Ben also seems like the type of move you’d regret. On paper he’s a stud. Just certain matchups and/or periods of complacency really stain his value to our team. We should have 3 all-stars and we look like we have 1.5.

Thats what makes all of this so frustrating.

If I could trade Ben with the knowledge that he will NEVER get any better, then yeah **** it...kick rocks aussie. BUT you just know the moment we trade him, he will suddenly be taking step back 4s and ****, while we sit here w/ the dumb look on our faces.

Add in Embiid getting bodied by colds now, we can't afford to trade Ben yet.

I think Elton's idea was sound, to surround both w/ guys who can pick up the slack as they develop but yeah thats rough.

again not to go full Tatum, Ben is only 22 and even if we max him out, his defense and rep, will allow us to move him....I am still willing to take that risk...but lord I am at the end of my rope there. Dude has to come back shooting some type of jumper next year...no more excuses. Hell, if it was allowed, I make it a clause in his contract lol.

kio80 · Post #265 » by **kio80** » Wed May 8, 2019 3:59 am

I don’t understand all these trade talks in regards to simmons and embiid.
They sure played poorly this series, embiid’s sick all the time, Ben’s soft and cant shoot etc etc. I thought they actually did decent for a pair of young 22 and 25 yo player.
It was Brand and the FO’s fault for pushing those 2 to something they aren’t ready for yet.
Bad trades after bad trades.
Sure jimmy is a great player but he doesn’t fit with Ben Simmons at all. If we wanted jimmy to play the point, what don’t we just trade Simmons in the beginning?
The fultz pick was a disaster, and trading him for J Simmons and a late 1st draft pick? Another terrible move.
If they had held on to their assets, wait for the 2 players to develop and gather decent high end role players/ rookies, then in 2 years they will be legit contenders.... but no, they gotta win now, due to embiid’s health issues? Does it look like he’s good enough to win it all with some help all of a sudden? Brand simply **** it up by wanting to show his value as a GM, which only shows how crappy and unreliable he is.
I blame Elton brand and the FO, stop harassing the players for once...

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Mik317 · Post #266 » by **Mik317** » Wed May 8, 2019 4:04 am

people **** on Elton for the Tobias trade...seem to forget that we were all mad about Muscala and Chandler getting so many minutes. Shamet and the Heat pick arent that big of a deal.

ProcessDoctor · Post #267 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Wed May 8, 2019 4:08 am

Mik317 wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
Mik317 wrote:only if they get hosed in the draft lottery. I think they are desperate for Morant as most of the other prospects overlap w/ Jackson , Warren and Bridges. But if anything my guess is that they'd offer up the pick and one of those dudes for Ben instead of Booker.

any Ben trade is going to come w/ downsides and it won't be the seemless trade people make it out to be. If you trade Ben then it will be for a package of starters...not a star. That's not how the NBA works.

Jimmy Butler was traded for Cov and Dario ffs/

Trading Ben also seems like the type of move you’d regret. On paper he’s a stud. Just certain matchups and/or periods of complacency really stain his value to our team. We should have 3 all-stars and we look like we have 1.5.

Thats what makes all of this so frustrating.

If I could trade Ben with the knowledge that he will NEVER get any better, then yeah **** it...kick rocks aussie. BUT you just know the moment we trade him, he will suddenly be taking step back 4s and ****, while we sit here w/ the dumb look on our faces.

Add in Embiid getting bodied by colds now, we can't afford to trade Ben yet.

I think Elton's idea was sound, to surround both w/ guys who can pick up the slack as they develop but yeah thats rough.

again not to go full Tatum, Ben is only 22 and even if we max him out, his defense and rep, will allow us to move him....I am still willing to take that risk...but lord I am at the end of my rope there. Dude has to come back shooting some type of jumper next year...no more excuses. Hell, if it was allowed, I make it a clause in his contract lol.

Maybe the best option is to be straight up with him this summer and tell him he’s a 4. Tell him we've been exposed these last 2 years by having a non-shooting PG bring the ball up. Tell him to work I’m free throws and post game (midrange if possible. Then we’ll go from there.

MLE/1st/Shake
Butler/Redick/2nd
Harris/Ennis/Smith
Simmons/Scott/Bolden
Embiid/Boban/Vet

Mik317 · Post #268 » by **Mik317** » Wed May 8, 2019 4:12 am

He can be the PG. Its an advantage to have that much size. He just needs to find a way to contribute in the half court. Thats it.

Playing him at the 4 doesn't help because its even easier to help off him as he stands around off ball.\

mans has to learn how to shoot bottom line, and I wouldn't offer an extention until I see he is serious about fixing that

TheBallsDeeper · Post #269 » by **TheBallsDeeper** » Wed May 8, 2019 4:20 am

Brett Bown needs to step up and tell Simmons some hard truths, or he is not the right person for the job.

Simmons needs to show that he is coachable, or he should go. Drop the fake confidence act, change to his correct shooting hand and get a proper shooting coach - otherwise, trade him for what they can get.

76ciology · Post #270 » by **76ciology** » Wed May 8, 2019 4:36 am

Read on Twitter

76ciology · Post #271 » by **76ciology** » Wed May 8, 2019 4:38 am

Read on Twitter

XDevilBoiX · Post #272 » by **XDevilBoiX** » Wed May 8, 2019 4:39 am

76ciology wrote:

Read on Twitter

Brett’s reaction is priceless yet he doesn’t bench him for bad plays like that

XtremeDunkz · Post #273 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Wed May 8, 2019 4:41 am

76ciology wrote:

Read on Twitter

Exactly. He is simply not smart.

phifans · Post #274 » by **phifans** » Wed May 8, 2019 4:42 am

kio80 wrote:I don’t understand all these trade talks in regards to simmons and embiid.
They sure played poorly this series, embiid’s sick all the time, Ben’s soft and cant shoot etc etc. I thought they actually did decent for a pair of young 22 and 25 yo player.
It was Brand and the FO’s fault for pushing those 2 to something they aren’t ready for yet.
Bad trades after bad trades.
Sure jimmy is a great player but he doesn’t fit with Ben Simmons at all. If we wanted jimmy to play the point, what don’t we just trade Simmons in the beginning?
The fultz pick was a disaster, and trading him for J Simmons and a late 1st draft pick? Another terrible move.
If they had held on to their assets, wait for the 2 players to develop and gather decent high end role players/ rookies, then in 2 years they will be legit contenders.... but no, they gotta win now, due to embiid’s health issues? Does it look like he’s good enough to win it all with some help all of a sudden? Brand simply **** it up by wanting to show his value as a GM, which only shows how crappy and unreliable he is.
I blame Elton brand and the FO, stop harassing the players for once...

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They've been 3rd and enter the second round in playoffs last year with a bunch of good role players.

I won't blame FO for bring them two good star players (one allstar and one boderline star) to help this team going further.

If there is anything wrong ask Biid and Ben why they failed to make any progress.

76ciology · Post #275 » by **76ciology** » Wed May 8, 2019 4:45 am

XtremeDunkz wrote:
76ciology wrote:

Read on Twitter

Exactly. He is simply not smart.

Im dead.

kio80 · Post #276 » by **kio80** » Wed May 8, 2019 4:50 am

phifans wrote:
kio80 wrote:I don’t understand all these trade talks in regards to simmons and embiid.
They sure played poorly this series, embiid’s sick all the time, Ben’s soft and cant shoot etc etc. I thought they actually did decent for a pair of young 22 and 25 yo player.
It was Brand and the FO’s fault for pushing those 2 to something they aren’t ready for yet.
Bad trades after bad trades.
Sure jimmy is a great player but he doesn’t fit with Ben Simmons at all. If we wanted jimmy to play the point, what don’t we just trade Simmons in the beginning?
The fultz pick was a disaster, and trading him for J Simmons and a late 1st draft pick? Another terrible move.
If they had held on to their assets, wait for the 2 players to develop and gather decent high end role players/ rookies, then in 2 years they will be legit contenders.... but no, they gotta win now, due to embiid’s health issues? Does it look like he’s good enough to win it all with some help all of a sudden? Brand simply **** it up by wanting to show his value as a GM, which only shows how crappy and unreliable he is.
I blame Elton brand and the FO, stop harassing the players for once...

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They've been 3rd and enter the second round in playoffs last year with a bunch of good role players.

I won't blame FO for bring them two good star players (one allstar and one boderline star) to help this team going further.

If there is anything wrong ask Biid and Ben why they failed to make any progress.

I don’t think Jimmy fits well, that’s what I am saying, being a pg is all about experience and learning to bring the ball up and set plays, having Jimmy stunts the growth of Ben.
Last year’s role player was decent, but 76ers failed to get most of them back, and drafted a bust, hence the desperation to acquire guys that simply doesn’t fit due to Brand’s win now mentality.

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76ciology · Post #277 » by **76ciology** » Wed May 8, 2019 4:53 am

Read on Twitter

Hmm

phifans · Post #278 » by **phifans** » Wed May 8, 2019 4:58 am

kio80 wrote:
I don’t think Jimmy fits well, that’s what I am saying, being a pg is all about experience and learning to bring the ball up and set plays, having Jimmy stunts the growth of Ben.
Last year’s role player was decent, but 76ers failed to get most of them back, and drafted a bust, hence the desperation to acquire guys that simply doesn’t fit due to Brand’s win now mentality.

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Haha talk about fits problem , Joel and Ben never fits at all. In fact no star player fits Ben well , none.

And no one stunts the growth of Ben. Take a jumper before you say anyone stunts your growth plz.

Bum Adebayo · Post #279 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Wed May 8, 2019 5:04 am

Big fat NO to Evin Booker, want no part of a career loser that doesn't give a **** about defense. Don't make it harder to root for Sixers, with Brett and Redick it is hard enough.

76ciology · Post #280 » by **76ciology** » Wed May 8, 2019 5:26 am

Mik317 wrote:He can be the PG. Its an advantage to have that much size. He just needs to find a way to contribute in the half court. Thats it.

Playing him at the 4 doesn't help because its even easier to help off him as he stands around off ball.\

mans has to learn how to shoot bottom line, and I wouldn't offer an extention until I see he is serious about fixing that

True.

He needs to follow Iguodala’s role.

His end game basketball niche is to be able to guard 1-4 positions at an elite level, push in opportunistic transition offensive possessions and be a spot up shooter in halfcourt.