The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

[Negrodamus]

Good post Mik. Simmons for Booker might be our only hope. Would Phoenix bite at this point? The whole league is seeing what we're seeing.

If we can get Booker for Simmons straight up, I'd consider it. If the Suns get the first pick, though, I don't know how you do a Zion Williams, Ben Simmons, DeAndre Ayton team. If the Suns want to put themselves in that corner, then by all means.

If we have Booker instead of Simmons, we have a lot more flexibility with how we construct this roster.

No need to worry about that, they trade us Zion instead of that loser Booker, we can even add Embiid if they want. Simmons+Booker is a much better fit for them.

I wouldn't trade Simmons straight up for Zion much less the absurd proposal you just suggested.

[Bum Adebayo]

If we can get Booker for Simmons straight up, I'd consider it. If the Suns get the first pick, though, I don't know how you do a Zion Williams, Ben Simmons, DeAndre Ayton team. If the Suns want to put themselves in that corner, then by all means.

If we have Booker instead of Simmons, we have a lot more flexibility with how we construct this roster.

No need to worry about that, they trade us Zion instead of that loser Booker, we can even add Embiid if they want. Simmons+Booker is a much better fit for them.

I wouldn't trade Simmons straight up for Zion much less the absurd proposal you just suggested.

I don't get why you would trade Simmons for a worse player who doesn't play defense in Booker, but refuse to trade him for a generational prospect in Zion who we also know works hard and shows passion when he plays? oh well, we will see how good he ends up being.

[Mik317]

anyone who gets the first pick is not even going to think about trading Zion.

it is a dumb thing to even think about

[Negrodamus]

No need to worry about that, they trade us Zion instead of that loser Booker, we can even add Embiid if they want. Simmons+Booker is a much better fit for them.

I wouldn't trade Simmons straight up for Zion much less the absurd proposal you just suggested.

I don't get why you would trade Simmons for a worse player who doesn't play defense in Booker, but refuse to trade him for a generational prospect in Zion who we also know works hard and shows passion when he plays? oh well, we will see how good he ends up being.

Because Zion is a 6'6 PF with a 6'10 wingspan compared to Ben Simmons's 6'10 height and roughly 7'0 wingspan. Ben handles the ball like a guard and is one of the best players in transition. He's also one of the best passers in the league.

Zion doesn't have the shot to be a go-to scorer in the NBA yet. He was below average at FT shooting and 3pt shooting. Displayed no real distributing tendencies. Mainly, what I gathered from Zion this year is he will be a freak defender and will be excellent in the open court with a distributing point guard. Not sure he will be able to bully everyone in the next level like he did against college players. Nearly obliterated his foot because he's carrying too much weight and is too athletic to keep it all under control.

At this point, Zion is a good second, maybe third, star on a team that has enough shooters. Of course you like him because he doesn't fit to the current winning model of high volume threes. You don't like that model even though it's successful. That's why you don't want Devin Booker. We all understand why you don't like him, we just don't agree with your premise.

[Bum Adebayo]

I wouldn't trade Simmons straight up for Zion much less the absurd proposal you just suggested.

I don't get why you would trade Simmons for a worse player who doesn't play defense in Booker, but refuse to trade him for a generational prospect in Zion who we also know works hard and shows passion when he plays? oh well, we will see how good he ends up being.

Because Zion is a 6'6 PF with a 6'10 wingspan compared to Ben Simmons's 6'10 height and roughly 7'0 wingspan. Ben handles the ball like a guard and is one of the best players in transition. He's also one of the best passers in the league.

Zion doesn't have the shot to be a go-to scorer in the NBA yet. He was below average at FT shooting and 3pt shooting. Displayed no real distributing tendencies. Mainly, what I gathered from Zion this year is he will be a freak defender and will be excellent in the open court with a distributing point guard. Not sure he will be able to bully everyone in the next level like he did against college players. Nearly obliterated his foot because he's carrying too much weight and is too athletic to keep it all under control.

At this point, Zion is a good second, maybe third, star on a team that has enough shooters. Of course you like him because he doesn't fit to the current winning model of high volume threes. You don't like that model even though it's successful. That's why you don't want Devin Booker. We all understand why you don't like him, we just don't agree with your premise.

I like him because he is really good and also plays hard and with emotion. If I liked only players who don't shoot threes, I'd like Simmons lol.
I don't want Devin Booker because he doesn't play defense, not because he shoots threes. Shooting threes is a nice skill to have, why would I dislike that? what I don't like is spamming threes left and right, big difference, like the analytics forcing you to play only a certain way to have a winning formula, proving how unbalanced the game is. But this has nothing to do as to why I dislike Booker.

[Negrodamus]

I don't get why you would trade Simmons for a worse player who doesn't play defense in Booker, but refuse to trade him for a generational prospect in Zion who we also know works hard and shows passion when he plays? oh well, we will see how good he ends up being.

Because Zion is a 6'6 PF with a 6'10 wingspan compared to Ben Simmons's 6'10 height and roughly 7'0 wingspan. Ben handles the ball like a guard and is one of the best players in transition. He's also one of the best passers in the league.

Zion doesn't have the shot to be a go-to scorer in the NBA yet. He was below average at FT shooting and 3pt shooting. Displayed no real distributing tendencies. Mainly, what I gathered from Zion this year is he will be a freak defender and will be excellent in the open court with a distributing point guard. Not sure he will be able to bully everyone in the next level like he did against college players. Nearly obliterated his foot because he's carrying too much weight and is too athletic to keep it all under control.

At this point, Zion is a good second, maybe third, star on a team that has enough shooters. Of course you like him because he doesn't fit to the current winning model of high volume threes. You don't like that model even though it's successful. That's why you don't want Devin Booker. We all understand why you don't like him, we just don't agree with your premise.

I like him because he is really good and also plays hard and with emotion. If I liked players who don't shoot threes, I'd like Simmons lol.
I don't want Devin Booker because he doesn't play defense, not because he shoots threes. Shooting threes is a nice skill to have, why would I dislike that? what I don't likeis spamming threes left and right, big difference, like the analytics forcing you to play only a certain way to have a winning formula, proving how unbalanced the game is. But this has nothing to do as to why I dislike Booker.

Because you make a point to complain about teams "spamming threes" whenever you get a chance, usually about the Rockets. With the Rockets tied 2-2 against undeniably the best team in the league, it doesn't seem like that game plan is too bad.

[Bum Adebayo]

Because Zion is a 6'6 PF with a 6'10 wingspan compared to Ben Simmons's 6'10 height and roughly 7'0 wingspan. Ben handles the ball like a guard and is one of the best players in transition. He's also one of the best passers in the league.

Zion doesn't have the shot to be a go-to scorer in the NBA yet. He was below average at FT shooting and 3pt shooting. Displayed no real distributing tendencies. Mainly, what I gathered from Zion this year is he will be a freak defender and will be excellent in the open court with a distributing point guard. Not sure he will be able to bully everyone in the next level like he did against college players. Nearly obliterated his foot because he's carrying too much weight and is too athletic to keep it all under control.

At this point, Zion is a good second, maybe third, star on a team that has enough shooters. Of course you like him because he doesn't fit to the current winning model of high volume threes. You don't like that model even though it's successful. That's why you don't want Devin Booker. We all understand why you don't like him, we just don't agree with your premise.

I like him because he is really good and also plays hard and with emotion. If I liked players who don't shoot threes, I'd like Simmons lol.
I don't want Devin Booker because he doesn't play defense, not because he shoots threes. Shooting threes is a nice skill to have, why would I dislike that? what I don't likeis spamming threes left and right, big difference, like the analytics forcing you to play only a certain way to have a winning formula, proving how unbalanced the game is. But this has nothing to do as to why I dislike Booker.

Because you make a point to complain about teams "spamming threes" whenever you get a chance, usually about the Rockets. With the Rockets tied 2-2 against undeniably the best team in the league, it doesn't seem like that game plan is too bad.

I never said it is a bad plan, I acknowledge it is a really good plan in terms of success.
Of course it is a great strategy when a 3pt shot is worth 50% more than a midrange shot, even though the conversion rate of successful midrange shots made is not even 20% higher vs a 3pt shot. Same with layups, conversion rate is much higher.
I complain because it is destroying the game of basketball, especially avoiding midrange shots. Instead of adapting to the trend and admitting defeat, I would do whatever is in my hands to change the rules to balance it more.

[PhillyPhilly]

Apparently the latest comments from Ben ahead of the game tomorrow is "We've got to fight for this". It's good to hear that from him and we'll see if his team mates agree.

[Negrodamus]

I like him because he is really good and also plays hard and with emotion. If I liked players who don't shoot threes, I'd like Simmons lol.
I don't want Devin Booker because he doesn't play defense, not because he shoots threes. Shooting threes is a nice skill to have, why would I dislike that? what I don't likeis spamming threes left and right, big difference, like the analytics forcing you to play only a certain way to have a winning formula, proving how unbalanced the game is. But this has nothing to do as to why I dislike Booker.

Because you make a point to complain about teams "spamming threes" whenever you get a chance, usually about the Rockets. With the Rockets tied 2-2 against undeniably the best team in the league, it doesn't seem like that game plan is too bad.

I never said it is a bad plan, I acknowledge it is a really good plan in terms of success.
Of course it is a great strategy when a 3pt shot is worth 50% more than a midrange shot, even though the conversion rate of successful midrange shots made is not even 20% higher vs a 3pt shot. Same with layups, conversion rate is much higher.
I complain because it is destroying the game of basketball, especially avoiding midrange shots. Instead of adapting to the trend and admitting defeat, I would do whatever is in my hands to change the rules to balance it more.

Either way, I'd rather contribute to the destruction of the game of basketball and win than construct the team around a more pure style and struggle against those "spamming" teams.

[johanliebert]

The way I see it and this is just a hunch..

Ben doesnt want to defer in his role and change his game. That means he wants the ball in his hands. Not on jimmy’s. He wants to play with spot up shooters like dario and roco type players.

Even if he can shoot. He wouldnt want to give up the ball. You think he would? I dont think so.

He’s DNA is a facilitator. Not a scorer.

Then trade him. That player is not a winner. He will never be Lebron,he will never be Giannis.

ben's primary skill is playmaking..hes a 6'10 point guard. Hes the same height as lebron and plays the same position (point forward). nothing like giannis why would a team want to take him off the ball?

He obviously wants the ball in his hands but the makeup of this team has him in a bad spot.

[XtremeDunkz]

The way I see it and this is just a hunch..

Ben doesnt want to defer in his role and change his game. That means he wants the ball in his hands. Not on jimmy’s. He wants to play with spot up shooters like dario and roco type players.

Even if he can shoot. He wouldnt want to give up the ball. You think he would? I dont think so.

He’s DNA is a facilitator. Not a scorer.

Then trade him. That player is not a winner. He will never be Lebron,he will never be Giannis.

ben's primary skill is playmaking..hes a 6'10 point guard. Hes the same height as lebron and plays the same position (point forward). nothing like giannis why would a team want to take him off the ball?

He obviously wants the ball in his hands but the makeup of this team has him in a bad spot.

Because hes uselsss as a PG

[jamesd]

Are people really saying that Simmons can't shoot because he's using the wrong hand?

Seems like an easy fix. I can't believe no one on the coaching staff has suggested it to him.

[PhillyPhilly]

Are people really saying that Simmons can't shoot because he's using the wrong hand?

Seems like an easy fix. I can't believe no one on the coaching staff has suggested it to him.

This is why Brett Brown deserves a lot of the blame because he's allowed the situation to get like this. The best coaches do what they need to do for the betterment of their team. Brown seems too scared to confront Ben on this issue and it's wasted two years of Ben's development.

[TheBallsDeeper]

Are people really saying that Simmons can't shoot because he's using the wrong hand?

Seems like an easy fix. I can't believe no one on the coaching staff has suggested it to him.

My guess is weak coaches and lack of coachability from Simmons.

He showed by choosing to go to LSU that he wasn't looking to be coached, and has appointed his brother as his shooting coach rather than someone with a track record of success. I doubt anything will change until he drops his ego himself, or the Sixers get a coach who demands it.

[jamesd]

Are people really saying that Simmons can't shoot because he's using the wrong hand?

Seems like an easy fix. I can't believe no one on the coaching staff has suggested it to him.

My guess is weak coaches and lack of coachability from Simmons.

He showed by choosing to go to LSU that he wasn't looking to be coached, and has appointed his brother as his shooting coach rather than someone with a track record of success. I doubt anything will change until he drops his ego himself, or the Sixers get a coach who demands it.

But if this is the case it's literally changing hands. Sorry, if you can't get over that hurdle you're ****. It just feels like another excuse. It's crazy that two 'generational' talents have so many excuses for not being very good when it matters.

[Mik317]

switching hands isn't just this easy thing, wtf?

like assuming you aren't ambidextrous, just start doing everything w/ your other hand...its super easy amirite?

[Negrodamus]

switching hands isn't just this easy thing, wtf?

like assuming you aren't ambidextrous, just start doing everything w/ your other hand...its super easy amirite?

It's not worth it. Some here are staunchly in the "he needs to switch hands and he'll magically become an NBA shooter" camp and it's an exhausting argument.

[TheBallsDeeper]

switching hands isn't just this easy thing, wtf?

like assuming you aren't ambidextrous, just start doing everything w/ your other hand...its super easy amirite?

It's hard if you try switching to the wrong hand, most people would currently be using their correct hand, so what you say is not the same.

Simmons is clearly right-handed, and sometimes does shoot right handed when forced to (and seems to hit most of the shots!), so he is not starting from scratch. His whole body twists when shooting a jumpshot, it looks like he is fighting against his natural motion to force a left handed shot, whereas when he is forced to shoot right it looks much more natural and smoother.

[TheBallsDeeper]

switching hands isn't just this easy thing, wtf?

like assuming you aren't ambidextrous, just start doing everything w/ your other hand...its super easy amirite?

It's not worth it. Some here are staunchly in the "he needs to switch hands and he'll magically become an NBA shooter" camp and it's an exhausting argument.

Not as exhausting as watching a player with elite hand-eye coordination pass up easy shots that a 6 year would make, because he refuses to shoot correctly.

[Negrodamus]

switching hands isn't just this easy thing, wtf?

like assuming you aren't ambidextrous, just start doing everything w/ your other hand...its super easy amirite?

It's not worth it. Some here are staunchly in the "he needs to switch hands and he'll magically become an NBA shooter" camp and it's an exhausting argument.

Not as exhausting as watching a player with elite hand-eye coordination pass up easy shots that a 6 year would make, because he refuses to shoot correctly.

Yea, I'm sure he'll be a dead-eye shooter by switching after shooting left handed his entire life. Muscle memory is just theoretical. Should be an easy transition.