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Post#541 » by dockingsched » Thu May 9, 2019 2:52 pm

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iamworthy wrote:I don't think lue has enough juice to turn down jobs. It will be interesting to see when he gets his next coaching gig.


I’d be stunned if he got another HC gig within the next five years...

That said, it’s still a bad look that a coach in such low demand felt empowered enough to turn us down when we didn’t meet his demands.

He’s getting a full salary for the next two season from his Cleveland contract, so a 3 year deal only gives him one more year of salary.

If I’m Lue, and I see the disfunction he’d be walking into, it would be fair to assume he’d be a more attractive candidate for jobs over the next two years by sitting out than by taking such a short deal with LA just to be painted even more as just Lebron’s coach.
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Post#542 » by iamworthy » Thu May 9, 2019 2:54 pm

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iamworthy wrote:I don't think lue has enough juice to turn down jobs. It will be interesting to see when he gets his next coaching gig.


I’d be stunned if he got another HC gig within the next five years...

That said, it’s still a bad look that a coach in such low demand felt empowered enough to turn us down when we didn’t meet his demands.


Agree, but in my opinion he thought that because of the LeBron James factor.
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Post#543 » by Danny Darko » Thu May 9, 2019 3:15 pm

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iamworthy wrote:I don't think lue has enough juice to turn down jobs. It will be interesting to see when he gets his next coaching gig.


I’d be stunned if he got another HC gig within the next five years...

That said, it’s still a bad look that a coach in such low demand felt empowered enough to turn us down when we didn’t meet his demands.

He’s getting a full salary for the next two season from his Cleveland contract, so a 3 year deal only gives him one more year of salary.

If I’m Lue, and I see the disfunction he’d be walking into, it would be fair to assume he’d be a more attractive candidate for jobs over the next two years by sitting out than by taking such a short deal with LA just to be painted even more as just Lebron’s coach.


Great point

He was getting 6.5 mill as an assistant and they gave him 7 a year as HC, so yeah we were basically saying we'll give you 1 year at 4 mill.

I both understand why he'd be pissed and also think he is delusional about his future prospects to coach again.

From the Lakers piece that is just cheap. At least pay top tier money for a shorter contract
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Post#544 » by Slava » Thu May 9, 2019 3:19 pm

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Pythagoras wrote:
iamworthy wrote:I don't think lue has enough juice to turn down jobs. It will be interesting to see when he gets his next coaching gig.


I’d be stunned if he got another HC gig within the next five years...

That said, it’s still a bad look that a coach in such low demand felt empowered enough to turn us down when we didn’t meet his demands.

He’s getting a full salary for the next two season from his Cleveland contract, so a 3 year deal only gives him one more year of salary.

If I’m Lue, and I see the disfunction he’d be walking into, it would be fair to assume he’d be a more attractive candidate for jobs over the next two years by sitting out than by taking such a short deal with LA just to be painted even more as just Lebron’s coach.


He's still taking a risk though, head coaches who haven't had jobs within two years almost always end up going back to being assistants and it would be an even bigger hit for him as a championship coach to do that.

Like it or not LeBron would have to be a big facilitator for him to get his leg in the door somehow.
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Post#545 » by myersia » Thu May 9, 2019 3:33 pm

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Pythagoras wrote:
I’d be stunned if he got another HC gig within the next five years...

That said, it’s still a bad look that a coach in such low demand felt empowered enough to turn us down when we didn’t meet his demands.

He’s getting a full salary for the next two season from his Cleveland contract, so a 3 year deal only gives him one more year of salary.

If I’m Lue, and I see the disfunction he’d be walking into, it would be fair to assume he’d be a more attractive candidate for jobs over the next two years by sitting out than by taking such a short deal with LA just to be painted even more as just Lebron’s coach.


He's still taking a risk though, head coaches who haven't had jobs within two years almost always end up going back to being assistants and it would be an even bigger hit for him as a championship coach to do that.

Like it or not LeBron would have to be a big facilitator for him to get his leg in the door somehow.


Fact. I think this is just a negotiating tactic by Lue and Lebrons people. He will be back begging soon.


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Post#546 » by LAKESHOW » Thu May 9, 2019 3:47 pm

Some say this may be a ploy by Lue. Or Lue is overrating himself. Arrogant. Has money already, thus playing mind games. Who knows exactly. BUT WHO DOES PELINKA THINK HE IS? JERRY WEST? Pelinka is not in a position of arrogance! Rob cant say "well, Lue doesnt have any job prospects, he has no choice but us"..as reported.
Pelinka, get your hands dirty and negotiate and get a deal done!
NOW?? Hes Making Magic look smart and that theres something wrong or incompetent. Total misread and mishandle.
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Post#547 » by tamaraw08 » Thu May 9, 2019 4:06 pm

Kilroy wrote:Am I the only one that thinks Lue comes out of this looking a little douchey? He's got no other offers, but wants the "Championship Deal?"
It seems like he figured he was going to just step into the roll, get paid and have job security...

No question our FO is dysfunctionalAF right now... But still, Lue sounds like an opportunist in all of this.

Good riddance.

That said, this is all starting to sound a bit like Rambis trying to elbow his way into the head coaching gig again... Which would absolutely be the bitter cherry on top of this Embarrassment-Sunday...

I'm seriously starting to wonder if the only way I can still be a Laker fan is if I stay off the internet and sports news until around Christmas...

So what if Tyrone have no offers he is still owed a lot of money from Cleveland and I don’t see Mark Jackson and Jeff VanGundy along with McHalel and other ex coaches seeing a psychiatrist because they don’t get to coach an NBA team.
How many available coaches have proven to work well with LeBron? Mike Brown, same guy they fired 5 games Into the season because his players could not execute the Princeton offense, who else?
how many of them have won a championship ring in the last 10 years?
I just wonder how do you approach Lue, “ Hey Family we actually preferred you over other candidates especially Monty Williams we love your coaching style we believe in your schemes but we only want you to coach three years and btw forget how we offered 4 years to a rookie like Luke Walton, forget that Monty got five years from Phoenix”
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Post#548 » by gts1 » Thu May 9, 2019 4:12 pm

I think there is more to the story, it'll probably leak out that they whole 3 years vs 5 years deal was not the only hurdle or it was never the hurdle Lues' people made it out to be, that leak feels like a whole lot of face saving from the Lue camp. Lakers may not have ever been sold on Lue in the first place so unless it was on their terms it was never gonna happen... To me it was a good offer, Lue was only interviewing because of Lebron, the Lakers were only talking to him because of Lebron and Lebron is only here for three more years

I actually see this as one of the first positive decisions to come out of the FO in weeks
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Post#550 » by dockingsched » Thu May 9, 2019 4:29 pm

gts1 wrote:I think there is more to the story, it'll probably leak out that they whole 3 years vs 5 years deal was not the only hurdle, Lakers may not have ever been sold on Lue in the first place so unless it was on their terms it was never gonna happen... to me it was a good offer, Lue was only interviewing because of Lebron, the Lakers were only talking to him because of Lebron and Lebron is only here for three more years

I actually see this as one of the first positive decisions to come out of the FO in weeks


How could this possibly be spun as a good sign for the front office?

If it’s true that they didn’t truly believe in Lue and weren’t all in, why offer him a contract at all? Why limit the search to just 3 candidates? Why allow your other top target Monty to go off to Phoenix? Why didn’t they reach out to Vogel/Hollins/Woodson before the talks with Lue fell apart?

According to your view, If the front office got what they wanted, they were willing to settle for a coach they didn’t really want, how is that encouraging?

Anyway you paint it, it’s a massive failure by the front office.

If they really wanted Lue but thought he’d settle for a below market deal, there’s a massive failure.

If they didn’t really want Lue but were willing to settle for him for the next 3 years, that’s a massive failure.

If they only offered Lue the job cause of lebron, that’s a massive failure.

If they, as previously reported, were concerned with optics of appearing to be only going after Lue cause of Lebron then only offer him a 3 year deal to align with Lebrons deal, that’s a massive failure.

If, after all things considered, they were ok with only going after Lue cause of Lebron, then just offer him a market value five year deal (look at Luke’s and Monty’s new deal) and fire him after lebron is gone, only thing stopping that is cheapness, so that’s a massive failure.
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Post#551 » by LAKESHOW » Thu May 9, 2019 4:31 pm

Now theres a report that front office wanted Rambis as asst. head coach. And would not accept Lues choice of Brian Shaw. Front office supposedly rejected Brian Shaw on staff
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Post#552 » by myersia » Thu May 9, 2019 4:42 pm

LAKESHOW wrote:Now theres a report that front office wanted Rambis as asst. head coach. And would not accept Lues choice of Brian Shaw. Front office supposedly rejected Brian Shaw on staff


Just going to throw this out there maybe the media has no idea about anything going on. Maybe the lakers are not leaking stuff and the media need something sexy to say...


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Post#553 » by Mamba Mentality » Thu May 9, 2019 5:21 pm

Seriously though why isn't Ettore Messina being considered? **** all these other guys and give this guy an interview.
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Post#554 » by myersia » Thu May 9, 2019 5:40 pm

The Regime wrote:Seriously though why isn't Ettore Messina being considered? **** all these other guys and give this guy an interview.


There is a lot of guys I think they should go after including college greats that include calipari, Wright, and pitino. **** it worked well for the Celtics. Again if the Celtics fired brad Stevens id offer him anything to come to the lakers


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Post#555 » by wco81 » Thu May 9, 2019 5:56 pm

Not sure if Lebron would be a good choice to play in a system offense like the one Messina presumably would bring.

If the early results aren't going well, he would just get the coach fired.
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Post#556 » by myersia » Thu May 9, 2019 5:58 pm

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26708947/sources-vogel-interview-lakers-job

Who has issues with Vogel? I like him


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Post#557 » by Mamba Mentality » Thu May 9, 2019 6:05 pm

myersia wrote:
The Regime wrote:Seriously though why isn't Ettore Messina being considered? **** all these other guys and give this guy an interview.


There is a lot of guys I think they should go after including college greats that include calipari, Wright, and pitino. **** it worked well for the Celtics. Again if the Celtics fired brad Stevens id offer him anything to come to the lakers


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That's about as likely as Jeanie selling the team.
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Post#558 » by mighty_duck » Thu May 9, 2019 6:07 pm

dockingsched wrote:If they really wanted Lue but thought he’d settle for a below market deal, there’s a massive failure.

Lue's market value isn't very high - no other team is clamoring to hire him.

Should they pay much more than market value just because of optics? It feels more like extortion than a fair contract negotiation. I don't fault the Lakers from walking away. But then again, I was never on the Lue bandwagon to begin with...
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Post#559 » by indilakeshow » Thu May 9, 2019 6:16 pm

myersia wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26708947/sources-vogel-interview-lakers-job

Who has issues with Vogel? I like him


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He's better suited to be an assistant. His record with Orlando was horrible, Clifford takes over with the same exact team and they're suddenly a playoff team. Guy can't coach offense.
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Post#560 » by indilakeshow » Thu May 9, 2019 6:20 pm

myersia wrote:
LAKESHOW wrote:Now theres a report that front office wanted Rambis as asst. head coach. And would not accept Lues choice of Brian Shaw. Front office supposedly rejected Brian Shaw on staff


Just going to throw this out there maybe the media has no idea about anything going on. Maybe the lakers are not leaking stuff and the media need something sexy to say...


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