Official 2019 Brooklyn Nets Offseason Thread

[NyCeEvO]

This is the Brooklyn Nets offseason thread. Talking about any other teams will be considered off-topic and derailing.

-NyCe

[NyCeEvO]

Get Thibs

The fact that he interviewed (presumably) for an AC position with the Lakers surprised me. I didn't know he was willing to accept an AC role. If he is, we need to be on the phones with his agent immediately.

[MrDollarBills]

Get Thibs

The fact that he interviewed (presumably) for an AC position with the Lakers surprised me. I didn't know he was willing to accept an AC role. If he is, we need to be on the phones with his agent immediately.

Yep. He needs to be hired immediately and given full control of the defensive system. I love Kenny, but the way we approach defense has to change.

[MGrand15]

I don't think Thibs is interested in an assistant role according to Woj.

Either way, during his tenure in Minnesota, we were much better defensively. I wouldn't be gunning after him. He really isn't a guy I'd want around our team anyway. Really negative dude.

[SpeedyG]

So looking at our salary situation, it seems that for us to be able to sign Kyrie (or Kawhi/Kemba/Jimmy type FA) along with Durant, we will need to renounce Russell's $21M cap hold and find a taker for Crabbe's deal. Doing so pretty much puts us over the cap, which means we will only be able to bring back one of our vets (likely Ed) using the over-the-cap exception.

Dlo + KD is a much easier scenario, which can be accomplished simply by stretching Crabbe (if we can't find a trade for him).

[TheNetsFan]

So looking at our salary situation, it seems that for us to be able to sign Kyrie (or Kawhi/Kemba/Jimmy type FA) along with Durant, we will need to renounce Russell's $21M cap hold and find a taker for Crabbe's deal. Doing so pretty much puts us over the cap, which means we will only be able to bring back one of our vets (likely Ed) using the over-the-cap exception.

Dlo + KD is a much easier scenario, which can be accomplished simply by stretching Crabbe (if we can't find a trade for him).

There’s ways to get to two max plus DLo. Simplest is signing and trading for the 2nd using over the cap salary matching rules.

[Prokorov]

Get Thibs

The fact that he interviewed (presumably) for an AC position with the Lakers surprised me. I didn't know he was willing to accept an AC role. If he is, we need to be on the phones with his agent immediately.

Yep. He needs to be hired immediately and given full control of the defensive system. I love Kenny, but the way we approach defense has to change.

couldnt possibly disagree more:

1) thibs hasnt been a good coach in years. HIS system is the one that is dated. and it probably doesnt work as well without DOPTY type guys in their prime like Noah/Butler

2) He is toxic in generall and abused his players. clashes with nets performance teams philosiphy

3) our defense this year was one of the main reasons we made the playoffs. atkinson made a zone defense work over entire games and stretches, not just a wrinkle in game

Atkinson and the nets have been elite when it comes to defense. we were approaching average defensively with a team full of sub par to bad defenders with no size or experience.

thibs is the opposite of everything that is the nets

[SpeedyG]

So looking at our salary situation, it seems that for us to be able to sign Kyrie (or Kawhi/Kemba/Jimmy type FA) along with Durant, we will need to renounce Russell's $21M cap hold and find a taker for Crabbe's deal. Doing so pretty much puts us over the cap, which means we will only be able to bring back one of our vets (likely Ed) using the over-the-cap exception.

Dlo + KD is a much easier scenario, which can be accomplished simply by stretching Crabbe (if we can't find a trade for him).

There’s ways to get to two max plus DLo. Simplest is signing and trading for the 2nd using over the cap salary matching rules.

There are ways to do it, but they are complicated and requires finding the right situation and blows up our team. I'm focusing on semi realistic options

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[MrDollarBills]

The fact that he interviewed (presumably) for an AC position with the Lakers surprised me. I didn't know he was willing to accept an AC role. If he is, we need to be on the phones with his agent immediately.

Yep. He needs to be hired immediately and given full control of the defensive system. I love Kenny, but the way we approach defense has to change.

couldnt possibly disagree more:

1) thibs hasnt been a good coach in years. HIS system is the one that is dated. and it probably doesnt work as well without DOPTY type guys in their prime like Noah/Butler

2) He is toxic in generall and abused his players. clashes with nets performance teams philosiphy

3) our defense this year was one of the main reasons we made the playoffs. atkinson made a zone defense work over entire games and stretches, not just a wrinkle in game

Atkinson and the nets have been elite when it comes to defense. we were approaching average defensively with a team full of sub par to bad defenders with no size or experience.

thibs is the opposite of everything that is the nets

Fair criticism in my opinion for not wanting Thibs.

However, I don't think that the Nets were an elite defensive club. Were we bad defensively? absolutely not. But to me elite means top 5 in the league, we weren't there. Most likely middle of the pack if anything.

[SpeedyG]

Yep. He needs to be hired immediately and given full control of the defensive system. I love Kenny, but the way we approach defense has to change.

couldnt possibly disagree more:

1) thibs hasnt been a good coach in years. HIS system is the one that is dated. and it probably doesnt work as well without DOPTY type guys in their prime like Noah/Butler

2) He is toxic in generall and abused his players. clashes with nets performance teams philosiphy

3) our defense this year was one of the main reasons we made the playoffs. atkinson made a zone defense work over entire games and stretches, not just a wrinkle in game

Atkinson and the nets have been elite when it comes to defense. we were approaching average defensively with a team full of sub par to bad defenders with no size or experience.

thibs is the opposite of everything that is the nets

Fair criticism in my opinion for not wanting Thibs.

However, I don't think that the Nets were an elite defensive club. Were we bad defensively? absolutely not. But to me elite means top 5 in the league, we weren't there. Most likely middle of the pack if anything.

The Nets were a good analytic defensive team. Over an 82 game season, the stuff we do (what we allow vs don't allow) normalizes. Very rarely did I feel watching this team in 2018-2019 that if we wanted to shut an offense down, we could. If we wanted to disrupt an offense, we could.



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[Prokorov]

Yep. He needs to be hired immediately and given full control of the defensive system. I love Kenny, but the way we approach defense has to change.

couldnt possibly disagree more:

1) thibs hasnt been a good coach in years. HIS system is the one that is dated. and it probably doesnt work as well without DOPTY type guys in their prime like Noah/Butler

2) He is toxic in generall and abused his players. clashes with nets performance teams philosiphy

3) our defense this year was one of the main reasons we made the playoffs. atkinson made a zone defense work over entire games and stretches, not just a wrinkle in game

Atkinson and the nets have been elite when it comes to defense. we were approaching average defensively with a team full of sub par to bad defenders with no size or experience.

thibs is the opposite of everything that is the nets

Fair criticism in my opinion for not wanting Thibs.

However, I don't think that the Nets were an elite defensive club. Were we bad defensively? absolutely not. But to me elite means top 5 in the league, we weren't there. Most likely middle of the pack if anything.

I didnt mean to imply we were an elite defense... we are FAR from that... i meant defensively the way we coach and scheme is boardering on elite levels.

this staff took a 15 man roster with 11 (including most starters and rotation guys) below avg to bad defenders that is undersized and injury ridden and turned them into a respectable defense.

Thibs wasnt going to do better and likely would have done alot worse as he tends to try and pound square pegs into round holes.

[MrDollarBills]

If that's the case, then it's a personnel issue.

[Prokorov]

If that's the case, then it's a personnel issue.

it is for sure. allen blocks shots and is in the right spots but he is years from anchoring a defense.

PG is the least impotant position defensively but spencer and levert and boarding on poor defenders and russell is below avg to avg. Harris ok, but avg to below avg. credit crabbe but similar to harris below avg. Carroll and graham are solid and dudley does the best with his savy.

overall its just a weak roster as far as defensive talent. these guys are young they will get stronger and wiser so that will improve. plus hopefully we add kawhi who is DPOTY level good

[NyCeEvO]

couldnt possibly disagree more:

1) thibs hasnt been a good coach in years. HIS system is the one that is dated. and it probably doesnt work as well without DOPTY type guys in their prime like Noah/Butler

2) He is toxic in generall and abused his players. clashes with nets performance teams philosiphy

3) our defense this year was one of the main reasons we made the playoffs. atkinson made a zone defense work over entire games and stretches, not just a wrinkle in game

Atkinson and the nets have been elite when it comes to defense. we were approaching average defensively with a team full of sub par to bad defenders with no size or experience.

thibs is the opposite of everything that is the nets

Fair criticism in my opinion for not wanting Thibs.

However, I don't think that the Nets were an elite defensive club. Were we bad defensively? absolutely not. But to me elite means top 5 in the league, we weren't there. Most likely middle of the pack if anything.

I didnt mean to imply we were an elite defense... we are FAR from that... i meant defensively the way we coach and scheme is boardering on elite levels.

this staff took a 15 man roster with 11 (including most starters and rotation guys) below avg to bad defenders that is undersized and injury ridden and turned them into a respectable defense.

Thibs wasnt going to do better and likely would have done alot worse as he tends to try and pound square pegs into round holes.

That's true. I go back on my initial request then.

Although I still believe we need someone to teach our bigs how to defend man-to-man. We defend the perimeter fine, but once the ball enters the paint or midrange, it's feels like we play matador defense. The number of times big men had career nights against our bigs was appalling.

While I don't think proper technique would've prevented the opposition from scoring, but it at least would've made things a little bit more difficult for them down low. Right now, we have little to no resistance from our bigs, with the exception of Ed Davis.

[SpeedyG]

Fair criticism in my opinion for not wanting Thibs.

However, I don't think that the Nets were an elite defensive club. Were we bad defensively? absolutely not. But to me elite means top 5 in the league, we weren't there. Most likely middle of the pack if anything.

I didnt mean to imply we were an elite defense... we are FAR from that... i meant defensively the way we coach and scheme is boardering on elite levels.

this staff took a 15 man roster with 11 (including most starters and rotation guys) below avg to bad defenders that is undersized and injury ridden and turned them into a respectable defense.

Thibs wasnt going to do better and likely would have done alot worse as he tends to try and pound square pegs into round holes.

That's true. I go back on my initial request then.

Although I still believe we need someone to teach our bigs how to defend man-to-man. We defend the perimeter fine, but once the ball enters the paint or midrange, it's feels like we play matador defense. The number of times big men had career nights against our bigs was appalling.

While I don't think proper technique would've prevented the opposition from scoring, but it at least would've made things a little bit more difficult for them down low. Right now, we have little to no resistance from our bigs, with the exception of Ed Davis.

I don't think Allen is necessary bad in man to man defense, he just lacks strength and gets pushed too easily. When you factor in that our defense essentially allows a PG free reign with no resistance until within i dunno, 5 feet of the basket, it makes it easy for them to score or set up their bigs.

That and our 4 are typically undersized, so even if we rotate properly, they aren't stopping the big guys who has blown up against us.

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[MrDollarBills]

Allen just gets straight up bullied. I can't sugar coat it. I would love to know how opposing bigs did versus Ed Davis as opposed to Jarrett.

[MrDollarBills]

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Nets may need to consider this to keep people from pillaging our guys. Pay them.

[DarkXaero]

Allen just gets straight up bullied. I can't sugar coat it. I would love to know how opposing bigs did versus Ed Davis as opposed to Jarrett.

And the thing is that Ed Davis isn't even necessarily strong, but he just plays with a different mindset, and plays far more physical ball. Embiid was at like 60-70% against us, and he still bullied the **** out of Allen. Right now against 34 year old Marc Gasol, it's a completely different situation. Sure, Embiid might be less healthy against the Raps, being sick and all, but he's still struggling mightily against Marc, aside from one game. It's just such a drastic difference watching Embiid against us, and then watching Embiid against the Raps.

[NyCeEvO]

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Nets may need to consider this to keep people from pillaging our guys. Pay them.

Unless Trajan is terrible at interviewing, im certain it's going to happen eventually. I'm just hoping that when it does, we'll have groomed another person who can fill Trajan's position and make the transition as smoothly as possible.

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[SpeedyG]

Allen just gets straight up bullied. I can't sugar coat it. I would love to know how opposing bigs did versus Ed Davis as opposed to Jarrett.

And the thing is that Ed Davis isn't even necessarily strong, but he just plays with a different mindset, and plays far more physical ball. Embiid was at like 60-70% against us, and he still bullied the **** out of Allen. Right now against 34 year old Marc Gasol, it's a completely different situation. Sure, Embiid might be less healthy against the Raps, being sick and all, but he's still struggling mightily against Marc, aside from one game. It's just such a drastic difference watching Embiid against us, and then watching Embiid against the Raps.

Marc is old but he's strong and sound defensive player. He also shut Vucevic down in previous series, and for sure Vucevic would have abused Allen.

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