2019 Draft Class

[916fan]

I’m starting to see the best players in the NBA are really good at pulling up from 3 (in transition or half court) and mid-range. When you think about LeBron, Kawhi, Durant, Kyrie Irving, Lillard, Paul George, Harden, even Westbrook is a better player when he’s hitting his pull-up shots. All these guys get a lot of points off of pull-ups. Just shows how valuable that shot is. Other than that, it’s guys with great physical ability, like Siakam or Antetokounmpo. But it just puts in perspective how valuable it is to pull up either with the ball in hand or in transition.

Makes me wonder if I’m underrating guys like Jaylen Nowell and overrating guys like Tyler Herro (who is more of a spot up shooter with a floater game around the rim). It could also be why Reddish could be much better in the NBA.

Not really following you here. Pull up jumpers make up a very small part of a player's game. I think it's more important to look at how effectively a player gets off his shot. NBA teams also don't want their regular players settling for pull-up Js. They're usually designated for stars and good shooters because it's not a highly quality shot.

[NotACat]

I’m starting to see the best players in the NBA are really good at pulling up from 3 (in transition or half court) and mid-range. When you think about LeBron, Kawhi, Durant, Kyrie Irving, Lillard, Paul George, Harden, even Westbrook is a better player when he’s hitting his pull-up shots. All these guys get a lot of points off of pull-ups. Just shows how valuable that shot is. Other than that, it’s guys with great physical ability, like Siakam or Antetokounmpo. But it just puts in perspective how valuable it is to pull up either with the ball in hand or in transition.

Makes me wonder if I’m underrating guys like Jaylen Nowell and overrating guys like Tyler Herro (who is more of a spot up shooter with a floater game around the rim). It could also be why Reddish could be much better in the NBA.

Not really following you here. Pull up jumpers make up a very small part of a player's game. I think it's more important to look at how effectively a player gets off his shot. NBA teams also don't want their regular players settling for pull-up Js. They're usually designated for stars and good shooters because it's not a highly quality shot.

It also depends on what your team needs are. If you're a team like NY, Chicago, NO, Charlotte (if Kemba leaves), you're definitely fishing for this skill set because its someone you can give the ball to in the 4th quarter and make a "bad" shot for you.

If you're a team that already has your initiator of the future like Atlanta or Dallas, or is in a position where the team underachieved and wants to add a complimentary piece like the Lakers, spot up shooters are probably more favorable because they're easier to project.

I know people don't really like team composition to be part of the drafting conversation, but I think its critically important to recognize what skill sets your team is ready to embrace of the player you're drafting and also what skill sets your team is set up to develop in the player you get.

[doordoor123]

I’m starting to see the best players in the NBA are really good at pulling up from 3 (in transition or half court) and mid-range. When you think about LeBron, Kawhi, Durant, Kyrie Irving, Lillard, Paul George, Harden, even Westbrook is a better player when he’s hitting his pull-up shots. All these guys get a lot of points off of pull-ups. Just shows how valuable that shot is. Other than that, it’s guys with great physical ability, like Siakam or Antetokounmpo. But it just puts in perspective how valuable it is to pull up either with the ball in hand or in transition.

Makes me wonder if I’m underrating guys like Jaylen Nowell and overrating guys like Tyler Herro (who is more of a spot up shooter with a floater game around the rim). It could also be why Reddish could be much better in the NBA.

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my ass quality post Tyler Herro is exactly the opposite, sucks at spot ups and is really good at pull-ups

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[doordoor123]

I’m starting to see the best players in the NBA are really good at pulling up from 3 (in transition or half court) and mid-range. When you think about LeBron, Kawhi, Durant, Kyrie Irving, Lillard, Paul George, Harden, even Westbrook is a better player when he’s hitting his pull-up shots. All these guys get a lot of points off of pull-ups. Just shows how valuable that shot is. Other than that, it’s guys with great physical ability, like Siakam or Antetokounmpo. But it just puts in perspective how valuable it is to pull up either with the ball in hand or in transition.

Makes me wonder if I’m underrating guys like Jaylen Nowell and overrating guys like Tyler Herro (who is more of a spot up shooter with a floater game around the rim). It could also be why Reddish could be much better in the NBA.

Not really following you here. Pull up jumpers make up a very small part of a player's game. I think it's more important to look at how effectively a player gets off his shot. NBA teams also don't want their regular players settling for pull-up Js. They're usually designated for stars and good shooters because it's not a highly quality shot.

Well players build a reputation on those shots and teams want players playing the way they’re comfortable playing so they take high percentage shots. Jaylen Nowell for example takes and makes mid-range pull-up shots effectively and efficiently. That will be his game. Guys like Paul George has to develop that part of his game and earned enough confidence from the staff to take those shots. Victor Oladipo didn’t do too much of it until he exploded in Indiana, before then he would miss a lot of those shots. And that’s definitely not true because guys like Joe Ingles and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope take those shots all the time, same with Marcus Morris, etc. it isn’t reserved for stars, but stars tend to make more of them and players tend to be more effective when they’re able to make those shots.

[Roddy B for 3]

Culver is light years ahead of KO as a basketball player , but Culver does not have the same burst or speed.
The difference between their games is significant and not really worthy of comparison

Where do you think Culver should be drafted?

Anywhere after the top 3 is possible but I'm guessing he goes 6-10 range if there isn't much movement in pick spots there.

What do you think of Eric Gordon as a comparison for Culver? Assuming Culver's shot comes around.

[PhilBlackson]

Personally if I'm a team in the top 5 and I don't get a chance to draft Zion, I'm rolling the dice and drafting DeAndre Hunter.

I think his upside is better than any of the remaining prospects imo, yes over Ja too who personally I'm not as high on as others.

[Stillwater]

Personally if I'm a team in the top 5 and I don't get a chance to draft Zion, I'm rolling the dice and drafting DeAndre Hunter.

I think his upside is better than any of the remaining prospects imo, yes over Ja too who personally I'm not as high on as others.

interesting, I mean he has the highest floor after Ja and Zion so it's not impossible somebody does, but I don't agree the ceiling is close to as high as several others with lower floors

[Stillwater]

Where do you think Culver should be drafted?

Anywhere after the top 3 is possible but I'm guessing he goes 6-10 range if there isn't much movement in pick spots there.

What do you think of Eric Gordon as a comparison for Culver? Assuming Culver's shot comes around.

Gordon at same age was much more explosive but he did use his strength to bully through contact much in the same way Culver does...but culver needs to get stronger first for that to transfer and isn't nearly as efficient at the same age shooting.
Culver does have better positional size and a a better finesse game

[PhilBlackson]

Personally if I'm a team in the top 5 and I don't get a chance to draft Zion, I'm rolling the dice and drafting DeAndre Hunter.

I think his upside is better than any of the remaining prospects imo, yes over Ja too who personally I'm not as high on as others.

interesting, I mean he has the highest floor after Ja and Zion so it's not impossible somebody does, but I don't agree the ceiling is close to as high as several others with lower floors

Yeah it's just my 2c but I think he has the potential to be an elite 2 way player. Already has great shooting stroke, strength and defense and you can already see his game developing.

[Roddy B for 3]

Anywhere after the top 3 is possible but I'm guessing he goes 6-10 range if there isn't much movement in pick spots there.

What do you think of Eric Gordon as a comparison for Culver? Assuming Culver's shot comes around.

Gordon at same age was much more explosive but he did use his strength to bully through contact much in the same way Culver does...but culver needs to get stronger first for that to transfer and isn't nearly as efficient at the same age shooting.
Culver does have better positional size and a a better finesse game

Who is a good player comp?

If you think Evan Turner is a player comp to Culver that means Culver will bust even if he's picked mid first round

Alot of people compare Culver to Evan Turner and that basically means a 11-15 player on a roster.

Are you one of these people? Do you compare Culver to Evan Turner, because if so he should not be higher than 20 on your big board.

[Stillwater]

What do you think of Eric Gordon as a comparison for Culver? Assuming Culver's shot comes around.

Gordon at same age was much more explosive but he did use his strength to bully through contact much in the same way Culver does...but culver needs to get stronger first for that to transfer and isn't nearly as efficient at the same age shooting.
Culver does have better positional size and a a better finesse game

Who is a good player comp?

If you think Evan Turner is a player comp to Culver that means Culver will bust even if he's picked mid first round

Alot of people compare Culver to Evan Turner and that basically means a 11-15 player on a roster.

Are you one of these people? Do you compare Culver to Evan Turner, because if so he should not be higher than 20 on your big board.

No I don't like the Turner comp at all. Culver is far more invested in watching film and dedicated to improving his game which was never the case with Turner once he got paid..
I think his ceiling is a better creating version & very similar level defender/ high iq starter as Klay Thompson and if he continues to find his spots and improve his % will be a similar impact guy at the next level with more beyond the arc iso moves and once stronger finishing ability. Although I'm not sold he'll ever be as clutch

[Roddy B for 3]

Gordon at same age was much more explosive but he did use his strength to bully through contact much in the same way Culver does...but culver needs to get stronger first for that to transfer and isn't nearly as efficient at the same age shooting.
Culver does have better positional size and a a better finesse game

Who is a good player comp?

If you think Evan Turner is a player comp to Culver that means Culver will bust even if he's picked mid first round

Alot of people compare Culver to Evan Turner and that basically means a 11-15 player on a roster.

Are you one of these people? Do you compare Culver to Evan Turner, because if so he should not be higher than 20 on your big board.

No I don't like the Turner comp at all. Culver is far more invested in watching film and dedicated to improving his game which was never the case with Turner once he got paid..
I think his ceiling is a better creating version & very similar level defender/ high iq starter as Klay Thompson and if he continues to find his spots and improve his % will be a similar impact guy at the next level with more beyond the arc iso moves and once stronger finishing ability. Although I'm not sold he'll ever be as clutch

What three point percentage do you project for Culver by year three?

[Stillwater]

Who is a good player comp?

If you think Evan Turner is a player comp to Culver that means Culver will bust even if he's picked mid first round

Alot of people compare Culver to Evan Turner and that basically means a 11-15 player on a roster.

Are you one of these people? Do you compare Culver to Evan Turner, because if so he should not be higher than 20 on your big board.

No I don't like the Turner comp at all. Culver is far more invested in watching film and dedicated to improving his game which was never the case with Turner once he got paid..
I think his ceiling is a better creating version & very similar level defender/ high iq starter as Klay Thompson and if he continues to find his spots and improve his % will be a similar impact guy at the next level with more beyond the arc iso moves and once stronger finishing ability. Although I'm not sold he'll ever be as clutch

What three point percentage do you project for Culver by year three?

no clue lol

[Roddy B for 3]

[quote="Stillwater"][quote="Roddy B for 3"][quote="Stillwater"]
No I don't like the Turner comp at all. Culver is far more invested in watching film and dedicated to improving his game which was never the case with Turner once he got paid..
I think his ceiling is a better creating version & very similar level defender/ high iq starter as Klay Thompson and if he continues to find his spots and improve his % will be a similar impact guy at the next level with more beyond the arc iso moves and once stronger finishing ability. Although I'm not sold he'll ever be as clutch[/quote]

What three point percentage do you project for Culver by year three?[/quote]
no clue lol[/quote]

Well some expect him to be a 31% kind of guy.

I saw his 3pt% above 40 until hit hit about 6 against Duke. After that heartbreaking loss the team lost three games to unranked teams before beating Arkansas. After that Duke game Culver's percenapercentage dropped.

I think it's because he was facing fierce double teams.

If he plays "in the Klay role" as in not the primary initiator. He will have single convergaes to attack and secondary playmake. His 3pt% abo34%ve

[clyde21]

No I don't like the Turner comp at all. Culver is far more invested in watching film and dedicated to improving his game which was never the case with Turner once he got paid..
I think his ceiling is a better creating version & very similar level defender/ high iq starter as Klay Thompson and if he continues to find his spots and improve his % will be a similar impact guy at the next level with more beyond the arc iso moves and once stronger finishing ability. Although I'm not sold he'll ever be as clutch

What three point percentage do you project for Culver by year three?

no clue lol

if Culver just shoots average from 3 he'll be quite valuable because of his all around game.

[Hoopz Afrik]

If Culver's shooting comes around then he will be Gordon Hayward-esque.

[doordoor123]

If Culver's shooting comes around then he will be Gordon Hayward-esque.

I thought you said Eric Gordon and I was going to agree a little, but Hayward was longer, quicker and more fluid. I don’t see it. I think Culver would be better in a pass-first system like Hayward was in when he was at Utah, but other than that I don’t see the comparison. Of all the lottery teams Memphis, Miami and Boston are the best fits IMO.

[sipclip]

Gordon at same age was much more explosive but he did use his strength to bully through contact much in the same way Culver does...but culver needs to get stronger first for that to transfer and isn't nearly as efficient at the same age shooting.
Culver does have better positional size and a a better finesse game

Who is a good player comp?

If you think Evan Turner is a player comp to Culver that means Culver will bust even if he's picked mid first round

Alot of people compare Culver to Evan Turner and that basically means a 11-15 player on a roster.

Are you one of these people? Do you compare Culver to Evan Turner, because if so he should not be higher than 20 on your big board.

No I don't like the Turner comp at all. Culver is far more invested in watching film and dedicated to improving his game which was never the case with Turner once he got paid..
I think his ceiling is a better creating version & very similar level defender/ high iq starter as Klay Thompson and if he continues to find his spots and improve his % will be a similar impact guy at the next level with more beyond the arc iso moves and once stronger finishing ability. Although I'm not sold he'll ever be as clutch

The player Culver reminds me the most of is Ron Harper.

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[doordoor123]

After watching the Nuggets in the playoffs and looking at Grant Williams again, he kind of reminds me of a young Paul Millsap. I also looked up Millsap when he was in college, they’re pretty similar athletically at the same age. Millsap developed his body to be able to move the way he can now, maybe with NBA training Williams can become a more fluid player. Millsap also went in the second round, where Williams is mostly being projected.

[HeadtopChunes]

After watching the Nuggets in the playoffs and looking at Grant Williams again, he kind of reminds me of a young Paul Millsap. I also looked up Millsap when he was in college, they’re pretty similar athletically at the same age. Millsap developed his body to be able to move the way he can now, maybe with NBA training Williams can become a more fluid player. Millsap also went in the second round, where Williams is mostly being projected.

I think Clarke can also be that kind of player (or better considering his athletic traits are better than Milsaps)

I don't really remember Milsap as a prospect so I'm unsure of how close they are in skill level.