Tatum and Brown

[CelticsPride18]

Sorry but both these guys are completely and utterly overrated. I was never a huge fan of the Brown pick and Tatum is a one-dimensional player the quite frankly was underwhelming this year.

As fourth or fifth options they're great as the cornerstones of a franchise youre talking about 25 wins every year.

Lol what an awful take. In what world Tatum is a one dimensional player.

What does Tatum do well besides going iso on his defender? He has the same game as Carmelo Anthony except Carmelo Anthony was a significantly better player.

Above average shooter and defender. Improved his rebounding and playmaking in his 2nd season. People expected too much out of him because of his great postseason but he did improve some areas of his game. He’s only 21 saying he’s a one dimensional player at that age is incredibly stupid. Also Brown has been excellent in our last 2 playoffs runs. He’s also young and bounce back from an awful start also he was one of the few players that actually played well in the Bucks series.

[johanliebert]

I just wish JT could play the 4. Without him able to (and lol I remember posters saying he’d grow another inch or two) we’ve just got such an annoying overlap with him Gordon and Brown. Crap just remembered none of this was supposed to matter bc we were going to trade him for AD:)

isnt he the same height as horford?

tatum is tall enough to be a 4. doesnt matter where you playing him though as theres only one basketball.

[Matt5]

ParticleMan, you summed it up how I feel. I am not ready to give up on either.

[Celts17Pride]

Tatum and Brown will never reach their full potential with Kyrie on the roster. Just a fact.

[31to6]

I just wish JT could play the 4. Without him able to (and lol I remember posters saying he’d grow another inch or two) we’ve just got such an annoying overlap with him Gordon and Brown. Crap just remembered none of this was supposed to matter bc we were going to trade him for AD:)

isnt he the same height as horford?

tatum is tall enough to be a 4. doesnt matter where you playing him though as theres only one basketball.

No, and for two years we’ve gotten throttled when we play him at the 4. Talking defense and rebounding but also not having three or four redundant wing scorers on the floor at the same time.

[K For Three]

Sorry but both these guys are completely and utterly overrated. I was never a huge fan of the Brown pick and Tatum is a one-dimensional player the quite frankly was underwhelming this year.

As fourth or fifth options they're great as the cornerstones of a franchise youre talking about 25 wins every year.

Yeah both are good players. But neither has screamed "special" to me and I doubt either ever reaches that highest level we dream of.

I mean maybe Tatum has a shot, but there is a lot about his play (and demeanor at times actually too) that was a big concern to me this season.

[K For Three]

I just wish JT could play the 4. Without him able to (and lol I remember posters saying he’d grow another inch or two) we’ve just got such an annoying overlap with him Gordon and Brown. Crap just remembered none of this was supposed to matter bc we were going to trade him for AD:)

isnt he the same height as horford?

tatum is tall enough to be a 4. doesnt matter where you playing him though as theres only one basketball.

No, and for two years we’ve gotten throttled when we play him at the 4. Talking defense and rebounding but also not having three or four redundant wing scorers on the floor at the same time.

I mean isn't that the best man? I mean all those wings doing the same stuff and standing around waiting to do the same stuff.

GETS ME HYPED EVERY TIME!!!

[cloverleaf]

The issue wasn't having the three of them out there together, the issue was having them out there with Kyrie and Al (also while GH still wasn't right). What they need is a traditional PG who will feature them and a defensive-specialist 5 man to complement them.

[FlatearthZorro]

I just wish JT could play the 4. Without him able to (and lol I remember posters saying he’d grow another inch or two) we’ve just got such an annoying overlap with him Gordon and Brown. Crap just remembered none of this was supposed to matter bc we were going to trade him for AD:)

If he can gain weight, he can. He definitely has the build and will have the time this summer. It's all on him.

I think JT and GH can both be a swing 3/4 and JB a 2/3 wing at this point, depending on how strong an anchor they have at the 5. In my mind Al is back as a bench 4 for when they need to upgrade on size some there.

Horford will not play off the bench for at least another year. He's still good. No reason for him to accept that.

[zoyathedestroya]

Shoutout to Jaylen Brown who was one of the few Celtics players who rose above the drama with his oncourt play. After a sluggish start, he was consistently productive up until the season ended regardless of his role.

The three other guys that I thought were mostly unaffected by the ebbs and flows of the season were Mook (sucked though post-ASB then redeemed himself in the playoffs), Steady Al, and Smart (who had his best season offensively by far and should be a candidate for all-defensive team).

Not worried about Tatum. He'll excel as a first option in New Orleans or as a featured 2nd option in Boston. Just no more Kobe workouts. Don't even think about calling Carmelo Anthony.

[cloverleaf]

Shoutout to Jaylen Brown who was one of the few Celtics players who rose above the drama with his oncourt play. After a sluggish start, he was consistently productive up until the season ended regardless of his role.

The three other guys that I thought were mostly unaffected by the ebbs and flows of the season were Mook (sucked though post-ASB then redeemed himself in the playoffs), Steady Al, and Smart (who had his best season offensively by far and should be a candidate for all-defensive team).

Not worried about Tatum. He'll excel as a first option in New Orleans or as a featured 2nd option in Boston. Just no more Kobe workouts. Don't even think about calling Carmelo Anthony.

Supposedly Tatum has caved to pressure from Danny and KG to work out with PP this summer some. My hope is that he takes RobW with him and KG is there to help out too.

[RB34]

I want to see them develop.

I want to see Tatum in the gym with a strength and conditioning coach, I also want to see Jaylen working on his dribble.

No more Kobe stuff from JT.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I just wish JT could play the 4. Without him able to (and lol I remember posters saying he’d grow another inch or two) we’ve just got such an annoying overlap with him Gordon and Brown. Crap just remembered none of this was supposed to matter bc we were going to trade him for AD:)

When he was drafted, I was touting him as a 4. Offensively, his game is best suited there. His standing reach [9 feet] is more than sufficient and athletically he is more of a 4 than a 3. He’s a solid enough rebounder, too.

He just needs to add strength/mass. Watching Eric Bledsoe just out-physical him for bucket after bucket hopefully will serve as the wakeup call he needs.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Tatum and Brown will never reach their full potential with Kyrie on the roster. Just a fact.

Ryen Russillo has been hammering this point recently and he is spot on— Tatum needs to be separated from Kyrie if he’s ever going to reach his potential.

Tatum didnt mirror Kobe this season, despite everyone claiming elsewise— he mirrored Kyrie. He cant do this again next season.

[darylbe]

What are some comparable contracts for tatum and brown? because what, they will be due after next season?

marcus smart got 4x52, which I think was an overpay.
embiid got 5 for 147M
wiggins 4x148M
otto porter 4 year 100M (3rd pick in 2013)

are these set by draft order?

because if you people are talking about 250-300M for these 3 players, we will have issues.

[BigHands]

Shoutout to Jaylen Brown who was one of the few Celtics players who rose above the drama with his oncourt play. After a sluggish start, he was consistently productive up until the season ended regardless of his role.

The three other guys that I thought were mostly unaffected by the ebbs and flows of the season were Mook (sucked though post-ASB then redeemed himself in the playoffs), Steady Al, and Smart (who had his best season offensively by far and should be a candidate for all-defensive team).

Not worried about Tatum. He'll excel as a first option in New Orleans or as a featured 2nd option in Boston. Just no more Kobe workouts. Don't even think about calling Carmelo Anthony.

Supposedly Tatum has caved to pressure from Danny and KG to work out with PP this summer some. My hope is that he takes RobW with him and KG is there to help out too.

I am on board with this. Tatum needs to go inside more and Pierce called him out on that during the season.

But it will take more than Tatum heading for the hoop consistently.

The Celtics are near the bottom of the league in points in the paint and scoring from the free throw line.

Living on jump shots makes them soft inside and the nature of Horford's game means that the Celtics need a serious power forward.

[FlatearthZorro]

Tatum and Brown will never reach their full potential with Kyrie on the roster. Just a fact.

That's the complete true.

[zoyathedestroya]

Tatum and Brown will never reach their full potential with Kyrie on the roster. Just a fact.

Ryen Russillo has been hammering this point recently and he is spot on— Tatum needs to be separated from Kyrie if he’s ever going to reach his potential.

Tatum didnt mirror Kobe this season, despite everyone claiming elsewise— he mirrored Kyrie. He cant do this again next season.

You know who else was close with Tatum and acted as sort of his mentor on the team -- Marcus Morris, our poor man's Melo.

[jfs1000d]

Tatum and Brown will never reach their full potential with Kyrie on the roster. Just a fact.

Tatum can. Brown won't.

[jfs1000d]

What are some comparable contracts for tatum and brown? because what, they will be due after next season?

marcus smart got 4x52, which I think was an overpay.
embiid got 5 for 147M
wiggins 4x148M
otto porter 4 year 100M (3rd pick in 2013)

are these set by draft order?

because if you people are talking about 250-300M for these 3 players, we will have issues.

Smart's contract is a steal. -- All-NBA first team defender and a point guard and shooting guard. He is becoming a better distance shooter.
Embiid is with every penny, but big injury risk
Wiggins -- massive overpay which will ruin franchise
Otto Porter-- you kidding me?