Brett Brown : Not Today!

[BullyKing]

Jarron Collins at Golden State looks like he could be a special coach imo. But it would be his first head coaching job so nothing is certain. So right now either they have their eye on an assistant that they like, or they go for experience like Ty Lue, Mark Jackson or whoever. It makes me laugh though because when Bill Belichick was at the Browns he had ONE winning season In four years and then got fired. He then goes to the Pats, gets Tom Brady and the rest is history. Folks discredit Ty Lue because he had Lebron, yet they praise Bellichick, praise Phil Jackson, Praise Pat Riley etc etc. This is why I shall continue to beat the drum for Ty Lue because it's simply not fair. Kevin Love came out the other day and said "Ty is a brilliant x's and o's guy", but that doesn't suit folks agenda because all they seem to think he did was be a mascot for Lebron smh.

I would love to hear more about why you think Jarron Collins looks like he could be special other than presumably because he currently works for Golden State.

Well his background is in player development, analytics and scouting. Plus he's apparently a bit of a geek when it comes the x's and o's. Him being part of a winning environment and being a former player is obviously a bonus too. Nothing is promised of course, But I like the fact that he's worn many hats on his journey up the ranks so should have a more well rounded philosophy when it comes to being a head coach.

He was a scout for one season and a player development coach for one season. You could equally claim his background is in being a PAC-12 television analyst. I can read his Wikipedia entry too.

Other than having played in the NBA, everything else you said about him could be said about Brown 10 times over. Again, this is not to say Brown is flawless and couldn't improved upon. But it seems like the argument for doing so is basically to throw a dart against the wall and hope the grass is greener.

[PhillyPhilly]

I would love to hear more about why you think Jarron Collins looks like he could be special other than presumably because he currently works for Golden State.

Well his background is in player development, analytics and scouting. Plus he's apparently a bit of a geek when it comes the x's and o's. Him being part of a winning environment and being a former player is obviously a bonus too. Nothing is promised of course, But I like the fact that he's worn many hats on his journey up the ranks so should have a more well rounded philosophy when it comes to being a head coach.

He was a scout for one season and a player development coach for one season. You could equally claim his background is in being a PAC-12 television analyst. I can read his Wikipedia entry too.

Other than having played in the NBA, everything else you said about him could be said about Brown 10 times over. Again, this is not to say Brown is flawless and couldn't improved upon. But it seems like the argument for doing so is basically to throw a dart against the wall and hope the grass is greener.

Brett Brown started coaching in the 80s, Jarron is part of a new generation of coaches, there's a difference there. Brown has also been in the job for six years and right now has a starting five that rivals Golden State's. IF he reaches the goal of reaching further than he did last year then his chances of staying improve dramatically. If he doesn't then what else would you expect the owners/GM to do? Brett knew what the expectations were before the playoffs started. It also makes me laugh how folks are defending Brown, who has a losing record, but will slander Ty Lue at the same time.

Would folks honestly take the Cavs team from last year over this years Sixers team? I very much doubt it. Yet Ty Lue got out of the East with that squad.

[the_process]

There are two ways Brett can lose his job. One, getting blown out and embarrassed tomorrow. Two, Jimmy will not resign if he returns

Hypothetical: they tell Jimmy that Brett is staying but they will trade Ben. Then offer him the 4-145 4 year max. Do you think he stays?

[VDT]

Well his background is in player development, analytics and scouting. Plus he's apparently a bit of a geek when it comes the x's and o's. Him being part of a winning environment and being a former player is obviously a bonus too. Nothing is promised of course, But I like the fact that he's worn many hats on his journey up the ranks so should have a more well rounded philosophy when it comes to being a head coach.

He was a scout for one season and a player development coach for one season. You could equally claim his background is in being a PAC-12 television analyst. I can read his Wikipedia entry too.

Other than having played in the NBA, everything else you said about him could be said about Brown 10 times over. Again, this is not to say Brown is flawless and couldn't improved upon. But it seems like the argument for doing so is basically to throw a dart against the wall and hope the grass is greener.

Brett Brown started coaching in the 80s, Jarron is part of a new generation of coaches, there's a difference there. Brown has also been in the job for six years and right now has a starting five that rivals Golden State's. IF he reaches the goal of reaching further than he did last year then his chances of staying improve dramatically. If he doesn't then what else would you expect the owners/GM to do? Brett knew what the expectations where before the playoffs started. It also makes me laugh how folks are defending Brown, who has a losing record, but will slander Ty Lue at the same time.

Would folks honestly take the Cavs team from last year over this years Sixers team? I very much doubt it. Yet Ty Lue got out of the East with that squad.

I think there is a big overlap between those that overrate the roster and those that think it's all Brown's fault and want him gone.

It makes sense of course but it is still not correct.

[BullyKing]

Well his background is in player development, analytics and scouting. Plus he's apparently a bit of a geek when it comes the x's and o's. Him being part of a winning environment and being a former player is obviously a bonus too. Nothing is promised of course, But I like the fact that he's worn many hats on his journey up the ranks so should have a more well rounded philosophy when it comes to being a head coach.

He was a scout for one season and a player development coach for one season. You could equally claim his background is in being a PAC-12 television analyst. I can read his Wikipedia entry too.

Other than having played in the NBA, everything else you said about him could be said about Brown 10 times over. Again, this is not to say Brown is flawless and couldn't improved upon. But it seems like the argument for doing so is basically to throw a dart against the wall and hope the grass is greener.

Brett Brown started coaching in the 80s, Jarron is part of a new generation of coaches, there's a difference there. Brown has also been in the job for six years and right now has a starting five that rivals Golden State's. IF he reaches the goal of reaching further than he did last year then his chances of staying improve dramatically. If he doesn't then what else would you expect the owners/GM to do? Brett knew what the expectations where before the playoffs started. It also makes me laugh how folks are defending Brown, who has a losing record, but will slander Ty Lue at the same time.

Would folks honestly take the Cavs team from last year over this years Sixers team? I very much doubt it. Yet Ty Lue got out of the East with that squad.

There is no point in discussing things with you because you rely on the most disingenuous arguments I've ever seen. You defended Lue because Lebron "didn't make the playoffs without him" even though it was one year and despite LeBron's history of competing for championships regardless of who was coaching. Now you're talking about Brown having a losing record as if he didn't spend the majority of his coaching career coaching a team that was purposefully built to lose as many games as possible.

[NYSixersFan]

I'd rather have Brett than Ty Lue.

[PhillyPhilly]

There is no point in discussing things with you because you rely on the most disingenuous arguments I've ever seen. You defended Lue because Lebron "didn't make the playoffs without him" even though it was one year and despite LeBron's history of competing for championships regardless of who was coaching. Now you're talking about Brown having a losing record as if he didn't spend the majority of his coaching career coaching a team that was purposefully built to lose as many games as possible.

Look, folks always throw around the "he had Lebron" line when it pertains to Lue's achievements as head coach. And I've countered those arguments with FACTS. If you want to judge Lue on having ONE superstar will folks judge Phil Jackson, Pop, Pat Riley and Bill Bellichick the same way? Hell, even Doc Rivers had stars when he won a title in Boston. But yet people love to use Lebron as stick to beat Lue with which is unfair imo.

Brown went through the process yes, but the records are the records. You can't belittle Lue who has a winning record, three finals and a championship to his name, then turn around and tell me "Brown is better" when he has a better squad this season than Lue had last season and may not even make it to the Eastern finals let alone the NBA finals. People can have their own opinions but let's be fair here. Lebron had a better roster In LA but didn't even make it to the playoffs, so to me that tells me Ty Lue was more important to Lebron than people think.

[BullyKing]

There is no point in discussing things with you because you rely on the most disingenuous arguments I've ever seen. You defended Lue because Lebron "didn't make the playoffs without him" even though it was one year and despite LeBron's history of competing for championships regardless of who was coaching. Now you're talking about Brown having a losing record as if he didn't spend the majority of his coaching career coaching a team that was purposefully built to lose as many games as possible.

Look, folks always throw around the "he had Lebron" line when it pertains to Lue's achievements as head coach. And I've countered those arguments with FACTS. If you want to judge Lue on having ONE superstar will folks judge Phil Jackson, Pop, Pat Riley and Bill Bellichick the same way? Hell, even Doc Rivers had stars when he won a title in Boston. But yet people love to use Lebron as stick to beat Lue with which is unfair imo.

Brown went through the process yes, but the records are the records. You can't belittle Lue who has a winning record, three finals and a championship to his name, then turn around and tell me "Brown is better" when he has a better squad this season than Lue had last season and may not even make it to the Eastern finals let alone the NBA finals. People can have their own opinions but let's be fair here. Lebron had a better roster In LA but didn't even make it to the playoffs, so to me that tells me Ty Lue was more important to Lebron than people think.

Actually I can because context matters.

[PhillyPhilly]

There is no point in discussing things with you because you rely on the most disingenuous arguments I've ever seen. You defended Lue because Lebron "didn't make the playoffs without him" even though it was one year and despite LeBron's history of competing for championships regardless of who was coaching. Now you're talking about Brown having a losing record as if he didn't spend the majority of his coaching career coaching a team that was purposefully built to lose as many games as possible.

Look, folks always throw around the "he had Lebron" line when it pertains to Lue's achievements as head coach. And I've countered those arguments with FACTS. If you want to judge Lue on having ONE superstar will folks judge Phil Jackson, Pop, Pat Riley and Bill Bellichick the same way? Hell, even Doc Rivers had stars when he won a title in Boston. But yet people love to use Lebron as stick to beat Lue with which is unfair imo.

Brown went through the process yes, but the records are the records. You can't belittle Lue who has a winning record, three finals and a championship to his name, then turn around and tell me "Brown is better" when he has a better squad this season than Lue had last season and may not even make it to the Eastern finals let alone the NBA finals. People can have their own opinions but let's be fair here. Lebron had a better roster In LA but didn't even make it to the playoffs, so to me that tells me Ty Lue was more important to Lebron than people think.

Actually I can because context matters.

Ok so why is Brown a better coach than Lue then? What has he done to prove he's better?

[Sixerscan]

Well his background is in player development, analytics and scouting. Plus he's apparently a bit of a geek when it comes the x's and o's. Him being part of a winning environment and being a former player is obviously a bonus too. Nothing is promised of course, But I like the fact that he's worn many hats on his journey up the ranks so should have a more well rounded philosophy when it comes to being a head coach.

He was a scout for one season and a player development coach for one season. You could equally claim his background is in being a PAC-12 television analyst. I can read his Wikipedia entry too.

Other than having played in the NBA, everything else you said about him could be said about Brown 10 times over. Again, this is not to say Brown is flawless and couldn't improved upon. But it seems like the argument for doing so is basically to throw a dart against the wall and hope the grass is greener.

Brett Brown started coaching in the 80s, Jarron is part of a new generation of coaches, there's a difference there. Brown has also been in the job for six years and right now has a starting five that rivals Golden State's. IF he reaches the goal of reaching further than he did last year then his chances of staying improve dramatically. If he doesn't then what else would you expect the owners/GM to do? Brett knew what the expectations where before the playoffs started. It also makes me laugh how folks are defending Brown, who has a losing record, but will slander Ty Lue at the same time.

Would folks honestly take the Cavs team from last year over this years Sixers team? I very much doubt it. Yet Ty Lue got out of the East with that squad.

It's not about defending Brown as much as the fact that the coach doesn't matter very much so people should stop worrying about it to the degree you do. Like you said a better coach would make us a "million times more likely to win" which is just wrong. Ty Lue made the finals more recently than Pop won a playoff round. It only matters when the guy is just abjectly horrible like Jason Kidd or Eddie Jordan or something, which Brown isn't.

What's important about Brown is that this team has gone through way too much instability lately, both from a roster and front office standpoint. They've even had 3/4 lead assistants in the last two years. You can't keep changing everything up with a basketball team every couple of months and expect to have consistent performance. So they should at least give them a chance for stability heading into next year, and if it doesn't work next year then you make the change. Hiring an NBA head coaching isn't like hiring a new person to run the counter at Wawa, there's a real transition that has to happen that involves like 25 people changing roles.

If ownership fires Brown, it'll be more a PR move or bringing a new voice for the players versus some sort of expected tactical advantage. At least if they know what they're doing, which isn't guaranteed.

[BullyKing]

Look, folks always throw around the "he had Lebron" line when it pertains to Lue's achievements as head coach. And I've countered those arguments with FACTS. If you want to judge Lue on having ONE superstar will folks judge Phil Jackson, Pop, Pat Riley and Bill Bellichick the same way? Hell, even Doc Rivers had stars when he won a title in Boston. But yet people love to use Lebron as stick to beat Lue with which is unfair imo.

Brown went through the process yes, but the records are the records. You can't belittle Lue who has a winning record, three finals and a championship to his name, then turn around and tell me "Brown is better" when he has a better squad this season than Lue had last season and may not even make it to the Eastern finals let alone the NBA finals. People can have their own opinions but let's be fair here. Lebron had a better roster In LA but didn't even make it to the playoffs, so to me that tells me Ty Lue was more important to Lebron than people think.

Actually I can because context matters.

Ok so why is Brown a better coach than Lue then? What has he done to prove he's better?

1. He developed Robert Covington from nothing into the centerpiece of a trade for Jimmy Butler.
2. He got Embiid and Simmons to buy into a defense first mentality which is not easy with young stars.
3. He integrated Illyasova and Belinelli into our best bench pieces in little time.
4. He won 50 games again this year despite having a basically new roster three times this season.
5. I've never seen the team quit on him and always played hard even in extremely lean years where half of our team should've been playing in China.
6. He's gotten more out of Ennis and Scott than D'Antoni and Rivers did.
7. In fact, he's got a nice little track record of getting more out of guys than other teams have like MCW and Saric.
8. He has outcoached both Atkinson and Nurse in these playoffs.

1. Lue has never won a single game as a coach without LeBron on his team.

[BullyKing]

He was a scout for one season and a player development coach for one season. You could equally claim his background is in being a PAC-12 television analyst. I can read his Wikipedia entry too.

Other than having played in the NBA, everything else you said about him could be said about Brown 10 times over. Again, this is not to say Brown is flawless and couldn't improved upon. But it seems like the argument for doing so is basically to throw a dart against the wall and hope the grass is greener.

Brett Brown started coaching in the 80s, Jarron is part of a new generation of coaches, there's a difference there. Brown has also been in the job for six years and right now has a starting five that rivals Golden State's. IF he reaches the goal of reaching further than he did last year then his chances of staying improve dramatically. If he doesn't then what else would you expect the owners/GM to do? Brett knew what the expectations where before the playoffs started. It also makes me laugh how folks are defending Brown, who has a losing record, but will slander Ty Lue at the same time.

Would folks honestly take the Cavs team from last year over this years Sixers team? I very much doubt it. Yet Ty Lue got out of the East with that squad.

It's not about defending Brown as much as the fact that the coach doesn't matter very much so people should stop worrying about it to the degree you do. Like you said a better coach would make us a "million times more likely to win" which is just wrong. Ty Lue made the finals more recently than Pop won a playoff round. It only matters when the guy is just abjectly horrible like Jason Kidd or Eddie Jordan or something, which Brown isn't.

What's important about Brown is that this team has gone through way too much instability lately, both from a roster and front office standpoint. They've even had 3/4 lead assistants in the last two years. You can't keep changing everything up with a basketball team every couple of months and expect to have consistent performance. So they should at least give them a chance for stability heading into next year, and if it doesn't work next year then you make the change. Hiring an NBA head coaching isn't like hiring a new person to run the counter at Wawa, there's a real transition that has to happen that involves like 25 people changing roles.

If ownership fires Brown, it'll be more a PR move or bringing a new voice for the players versus some sort of expected tactical advantage. At least if they know what they're doing, which isn't guaranteed.

Thank you. No one is advocating for Brown to be coach for life. But given that he's had 20 games with this starting lineup that everyone is going gaga over and that team is currently one game from the ECF, I simply don't understand why you wouldn't at least let him start next season unless Popovich or Pat Riley are coming aboard.

[PhillyPhilly]

He was a scout for one season and a player development coach for one season. You could equally claim his background is in being a PAC-12 television analyst. I can read his Wikipedia entry too.

Other than having played in the NBA, everything else you said about him could be said about Brown 10 times over. Again, this is not to say Brown is flawless and couldn't improved upon. But it seems like the argument for doing so is basically to throw a dart against the wall and hope the grass is greener.

Brett Brown started coaching in the 80s, Jarron is part of a new generation of coaches, there's a difference there. Brown has also been in the job for six years and right now has a starting five that rivals Golden State's. IF he reaches the goal of reaching further than he did last year then his chances of staying improve dramatically. If he doesn't then what else would you expect the owners/GM to do? Brett knew what the expectations where before the playoffs started. It also makes me laugh how folks are defending Brown, who has a losing record, but will slander Ty Lue at the same time.

Would folks honestly take the Cavs team from last year over this years Sixers team? I very much doubt it. Yet Ty Lue got out of the East with that squad.

It's not about defending Brown as much as the fact that the coach doesn't matter very much so people should stop worrying about it to the degree you do. Like you said a better coach would make us a "million times more likely to win" which is just wrong. Ty Lue made the finals more recently than Pop won a playoff round. It only matters when the guy is just abjectly horrible like Jason Kidd or something, which Brown isn't.

What's important about Brown is that this team has gone through way too much instability lately, both from a roster and front office standpoint. They've even had 3/4 lead assistants in the last two years. You can't keep changing everything up with a basketball team every couple of months and expect to have consistent performance. So they should at least give them a chance for stability heading into next year, and if it doesn't work next year then you make the change. Hiring an NBA head coaching isn't like hiring a new person to run the counter at Wawa, there's a real transition that has to happen that involves like 25 people changing roles.

If ownership fires Brown, it'll be more a PR move or bringing a new voice for the players versus some sort of expected tactical advantage. At least if they know what they're doing, which isn't guaranteed.

I disagree regarding the importance of a coach tbh. The best coaches have a philosophy they implement that encourages success. They also know how to both improve their players and inspire them to reach a level of performance that said players may not have believed was possible. Brett has stepped up tactically In these playoffs and I'm not gonna be pulling my hair out if he does end up staying. I just think that a better coach may be whats needed to take this team to another level IF Brett fails tomorrow. If we get to the East finals though and at least compete well, then he probably will have earned another year. I just think Ty Lue would surprise a lot of people if he ended up In Philly. He's only 42 years old with a winning record and experiences money cannot buy. And also has the potential to get even better as a coach as he moves forward. The likes of Pop didn't even become an NBA head coach until he was in his mid 40s? And yet Ty has already won a title and been to three finals at a younger age.

[BullyKing]

Brett Brown started coaching in the 80s, Jarron is part of a new generation of coaches, there's a difference there. Brown has also been in the job for six years and right now has a starting five that rivals Golden State's. IF he reaches the goal of reaching further than he did last year then his chances of staying improve dramatically. If he doesn't then what else would you expect the owners/GM to do? Brett knew what the expectations where before the playoffs started. It also makes me laugh how folks are defending Brown, who has a losing record, but will slander Ty Lue at the same time.

Would folks honestly take the Cavs team from last year over this years Sixers team? I very much doubt it. Yet Ty Lue got out of the East with that squad.

It's not about defending Brown as much as the fact that the coach doesn't matter very much so people should stop worrying about it to the degree you do. Like you said a better coach would make us a "million times more likely to win" which is just wrong. Ty Lue made the finals more recently than Pop won a playoff round. It only matters when the guy is just abjectly horrible like Jason Kidd or something, which Brown isn't.

What's important about Brown is that this team has gone through way too much instability lately, both from a roster and front office standpoint. They've even had 3/4 lead assistants in the last two years. You can't keep changing everything up with a basketball team every couple of months and expect to have consistent performance. So they should at least give them a chance for stability heading into next year, and if it doesn't work next year then you make the change. Hiring an NBA head coaching isn't like hiring a new person to run the counter at Wawa, there's a real transition that has to happen that involves like 25 people changing roles.

If ownership fires Brown, it'll be more a PR move or bringing a new voice for the players versus some sort of expected tactical advantage. At least if they know what they're doing, which isn't guaranteed.

I disagree regarding the importance of a coach tbh. The best coaches have a philosophy they implement that encourages success. They also know how to both improve their players and inspire them to reach a level of performance that said players may not have believed was possible. Brett has stepped up tactically In these playoffs and I'm not gonna be pulling my hair out if he does end up staying. I just think that a better coach may be wants needed to take this team to another level IF Brett fails tomorrow. If we get to the East finals though and at least compete well, then he probably will have earned another year. I just think Ty Lue would surprise a lot of people if he ended up In Philly. He's only 42 years old with a winning record and experiences money cannot buy. And also has the potential to get even better as a coach as he moves forward. The likes of Pop didn't even become an NBA head coach until he was in his mid 40s? And yet Ty has already won a title and been to three finals at a younger age.

Maybe he'll also learn to manage egos to the point where star players don't ask out?

[Sixerscan]

Brett Brown started coaching in the 80s, Jarron is part of a new generation of coaches, there's a difference there. Brown has also been in the job for six years and right now has a starting five that rivals Golden State's. IF he reaches the goal of reaching further than he did last year then his chances of staying improve dramatically. If he doesn't then what else would you expect the owners/GM to do? Brett knew what the expectations where before the playoffs started. It also makes me laugh how folks are defending Brown, who has a losing record, but will slander Ty Lue at the same time.

Would folks honestly take the Cavs team from last year over this years Sixers team? I very much doubt it. Yet Ty Lue got out of the East with that squad.

It's not about defending Brown as much as the fact that the coach doesn't matter very much so people should stop worrying about it to the degree you do. Like you said a better coach would make us a "million times more likely to win" which is just wrong. Ty Lue made the finals more recently than Pop won a playoff round. It only matters when the guy is just abjectly horrible like Jason Kidd or something, which Brown isn't.

What's important about Brown is that this team has gone through way too much instability lately, both from a roster and front office standpoint. They've even had 3/4 lead assistants in the last two years. You can't keep changing everything up with a basketball team every couple of months and expect to have consistent performance. So they should at least give them a chance for stability heading into next year, and if it doesn't work next year then you make the change. Hiring an NBA head coaching isn't like hiring a new person to run the counter at Wawa, there's a real transition that has to happen that involves like 25 people changing roles.

If ownership fires Brown, it'll be more a PR move or bringing a new voice for the players versus some sort of expected tactical advantage. At least if they know what they're doing, which isn't guaranteed.

I disagree regarding the importance of a coach tbh. The best coaches have a philosophy they implement that encourages success. They also know how to both improve their players and inspire them to reach a level of performance that said players may not have believed was possible. Brett has stepped up tactically In these playoffs and I'm not gonna be pulling my hair out if he does end up staying. I just think that a better coach may be wants needed to take this team to another level IF Brett fails tomorrow. If we get to the East finals though and at least compete well, then he probably will have earned another year. I just think Ty Lue would surprise a lot of people if he ended up In Philly. He's only 42 years old with a winning record and experiences money cannot buy. And also has the potential to get even better as a coach as he moves forward. The likes of Pop didn't even become an NBA head coach until he was in his mid 40s? And yet Ty has already won a title and been to three finals at a younger age.

The coach is an important job, it's just that the difference between competent coaches isn't very great. Like IDK, the Cavs didn't do *that* differently that first year with David Blatt as coach despite both Love and Kyrie being hurt versus their time with Lue.

Brown does a lot of that positive stuff you describe. Is he the best at it? Probably not. Is the on court difference between Brown and the best at it very large? Probably not.

I'm not trying to say Lue is some sort of idiot or anything, just that the transition costs that I listed above are too potentially great for only a marginal potential benefit tactically (which I doubt even exists).

I just think we spend way too much time breaking down the coach, when really the bench players that Brand decides to bring in this summer will have like 10x the impact of any coach change so let's focus more on that.

[PhillyPhilly]

Actually I can because context matters.

Ok so why is Brown a better coach than Lue then? What has he done to prove he's better?

1. He developed Robert Covington from nothing into the centerpiece of a trade for Jimmy Butler.
2. He got Embiid and Simmons to buy into a defense first mentality which is not easy with young stars.
3. He integrated Illyasova and Belinelli into our best bench pieces in little time.
4. He won 50 games again this year despite having a basically new roster three times this season.
5. I've never seen the team quit on him and always played hard even in extremely lean years where half of our team should've been playing in China.
6. He's gotten more out of Ennis and Scott than D'Antoni and Rivers did.
7. In fact, he's got a nice little track record of getting more out of guys than other teams have like MCW and Saric.
8. He has outcoached both Atkinson and Nurse in these playoffs.

1. Lue has never won a single game as a coach without LeBron on his team.

1. So in SIX YEARS Covington is the only player you can name that he developed? ONE player BullyKing?

2. But didn't our defensive rating go backwards this season? Infact before the playoffs we couldn't stop anyone including the likes of Atlanta.

3, But sadly those guys are part of the reason why we lost to Boston last season, he left them out there too long and they got exposed defensively.

4, A new roster three times yes, but which coach would turn down getting Butler, Harris, Scott and Ennis for Cov, Dario, Fultz, Muscala, Chandler and Landry? I mean really? He got better players to work with so I don't see why this should be used as a negative thing tbh

5. I would argue that there were remnants of "quit" in that game five In Toronto tbh.

6, Granted, but yet folks still complain at how bad the bench is.

7. No more than Ty Lue getting the most out of that garbage team he had last season

8. Atkinson has never really had a winning record and clearly had less talent to work with and Nurse is a rookie coach. In both cases Brett has had the better talent to work with imo.

9. Ty Lue has had six games without Lebron, Lebron had a whole season without Lue this year and you saw the results.

I appreciate your argument BK, but is there anything on this list that Ty didn't do at the Cavs? Kyrie stepped up under him, average players like Thompson won a title with him and he went toe to toe with Brad Stevens and Steve Kerr and won despite having less talent at times.

[PhillyPhilly]

It's not about defending Brown as much as the fact that the coach doesn't matter very much so people should stop worrying about it to the degree you do. Like you said a better coach would make us a "million times more likely to win" which is just wrong. Ty Lue made the finals more recently than Pop won a playoff round. It only matters when the guy is just abjectly horrible like Jason Kidd or something, which Brown isn't.

What's important about Brown is that this team has gone through way too much instability lately, both from a roster and front office standpoint. They've even had 3/4 lead assistants in the last two years. You can't keep changing everything up with a basketball team every couple of months and expect to have consistent performance. So they should at least give them a chance for stability heading into next year, and if it doesn't work next year then you make the change. Hiring an NBA head coaching isn't like hiring a new person to run the counter at Wawa, there's a real transition that has to happen that involves like 25 people changing roles.

If ownership fires Brown, it'll be more a PR move or bringing a new voice for the players versus some sort of expected tactical advantage. At least if they know what they're doing, which isn't guaranteed.

I disagree regarding the importance of a coach tbh. The best coaches have a philosophy they implement that encourages success. They also know how to both improve their players and inspire them to reach a level of performance that said players may not have believed was possible. Brett has stepped up tactically In these playoffs and I'm not gonna be pulling my hair out if he does end up staying. I just think that a better coach may be wants needed to take this team to another level IF Brett fails tomorrow. If we get to the East finals though and at least compete well, then he probably will have earned another year. I just think Ty Lue would surprise a lot of people if he ended up In Philly. He's only 42 years old with a winning record and experiences money cannot buy. And also has the potential to get even better as a coach as he moves forward. The likes of Pop didn't even become an NBA head coach until he was in his mid 40s? And yet Ty has already won a title and been to three finals at a younger age.

Maybe he'll also learn to manage egos to the point where star players don't ask out?

LOL come on now we all know that was because of Lebron hence why Kyrie called him and apologised .

[Mik317]

the idea that LeBron lost this year because he didn't have Lue is the biggest stretch I have ever seen.

His team was bad this year because he got hurt and then tried to trade all of them and they quit on HIM. Those Cavs team made the finals because Bron would go **** every single playoffs and put up stupid numbers. Lue had **** all to do with that. Bron couldn't do that this year because father time finally caught up w/ him and for the first time in his career he couldn't get his way. That last year w/ the Cavs the team gave up on Lue multiple times. And sans the Raptors, they squeaked into the finals...again on the back of some insane performances from LeBron.

Now again Brett is not a genius but I just don't think Lue is the massive step up the team will need if you make that move. Embiid and Ben both love the guy, so the next guy HAS to be a massive improvement or you will alienate your two core pieces.

the next coach needs to improve on the things Brett struggles with and also bring the same things he is good with. IMO, Lue has not shown anything that says he is that IMO. I did not see this master gameplan guy...because his main source of offense was give the ball to LeBron and hope he bails us out. We don't have a Bron...so yeah. He also quit on the Cavs at the start of the year.

[BullyKing]

Ok so why is Brown a better coach than Lue then? What has he done to prove he's better?

1. He developed Robert Covington from nothing into the centerpiece of a trade for Jimmy Butler.
2. He got Embiid and Simmons to buy into a defense first mentality which is not easy with young stars.
3. He integrated Illyasova and Belinelli into our best bench pieces in little time.
4. He won 50 games again this year despite having a basically new roster three times this season.
5. I've never seen the team quit on him and always played hard even in extremely lean years where half of our team should've been playing in China.
6. He's gotten more out of Ennis and Scott than D'Antoni and Rivers did.
7. In fact, he's got a nice little track record of getting more out of guys than other teams have like MCW and Saric.
8. He has outcoached both Atkinson and Nurse in these playoffs.

1. Lue has never won a single game as a coach without LeBron on his team.

1. So in SIX YEARS Covington is the only player you can name that he developed? ONE player BullyKing?

[b]No that's just the most drastic and obvious example. If you want to knock him for failing to develop Jakarr Sampson into an all-star go ahead. [/b]

2. But didn't our defensive rating go backwards this season? Infact before the playoffs we couldn't stop anyone including the likes of Atlanta.

Our rotation currently consists of THREE players that started the season here. It is not easy integrating almost an entire new rotation into a cohesive defense during the season.

3, But sadly those guys are part of the reason why we lost to Boston last season, he left them out there too long and they got exposed defensively.

And who would you have preferred to get those minutes instead? It's not like I'm blaming Lue for Channing Frye being a defensive sieve. You play the players you got.

4, A new roster three times yes, but which coach would turn down getting Butler, Harris, Scott and Ennis for Cov, Dario, Fultz, Muscala, Chandler and Landry? I mean really? He got better players to work with so I don't see why this should be used as a negative thing tbh

See point number two above

5. I would argue that there were remnants of "quit" in that game five In Toronto tbh.

I would disagree but what is more important to me is the fight they showed in Game 6. Everyone gets punched in the month at some point, I was impressed by how they responded

6, Granted, but yet folks still complain at how bad the bench is.
See point 3.

7. No more than Ty Lue getting the most out of that garbage team he had last season

He got zero wins (albeit in only six games) out his garbage team last season so I'm not sure the point you're trying to make

8. Atkinson has never really had a winning record and clearly had less talent to work with and Nurse is a rookie coach. In both cases Brett has had the better talent to work with imo.

He doesn't choose who is coaching the other team. But he has been better and shown improvement these playoffs. As you pointed out, Lue could improve as a coach so it's noteworthy that Brown has improved as a coach.

9. Ty Lue has had six games without Lebron, Lebron had a whole season without Lue this year and you saw the results.
I don't offer this as a knock on Lue but only to demonstrate that's questionable how much he has proven as a coach. Phil Jackson was a wizard. Then he went to the Knicks without Jordan/Pippen or Shaq/Kobe and it didn't work out so well. Turns out having some of the best players of all time was more important than the vaunted triangle offense. And if the Lakers/LeBron really thought not having Lue was the reason they didn't make the playoffs, I can't imagine they would have balked at giving him more than 3 years. More likely, the rest of the team was garbage and LeBron missed too many games due to injury to compensate.

I appreciate your argument BK, but is there anything on this list that Ty didn't do at the Cavs? Kyrie stepped up under him, average players like Thompson won a title with him and he went toe to toe with Brad Stevens and Steve Kerr and won despite having less talent at times.

[Negrodamus]

the idea that LeBron lost this year because he didn't have Lue is the biggest stretch I have ever seen.

His team was bad this year because he got hurt and then tried to trade all of them and they quit on HIM. Those Cavs team made the finals because Bron would go **** every single playoffs and put up stupid numbers. Lue had **** all to do with that. Bron couldn't do that this year because father time finally caught up w/ him and for the first time in his career he couldn't get his way. That last year w/ the Cavs the team gave up on Lue multiple times. And sans the Raptors, they squeaked into the finals...again on the back of some insane performances from LeBron.

Now again Brett is not a genius but I just don't think Lue is the massive step up the team will need if you make that move. Embiid and Ben both love the guy, so the next guy HAS to be a massive improvement or you will alienate your two core pieces.

the next coach needs to improve on the things Brett struggles with and also bring the same things he is good with. IMO, Lue has not shown anything that says he is that IMO. I did not see this master gameplan guy...because his main source of offense was give the ball to LeBron and hope he bails us out. We don't have a Bron...so yeah. He also quit on the Cavs at the start of the year.

Lets not forget that LeBron took David Blatt and, remarkably, Mike Brown to the Finals too. It wasn't like Lue unlocked something in LeBron.