2019 Utah Jazz Off Season Thread

Post #181 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sun May 12, 2019 12:05 am

So to sum up: if the Jazz make a 2nd round pick, it's Zanik's.

sipclip · Post #182 » by **sipclip** » Sun May 12, 2019 1:59 am

Inigo Montoya wrote:So to sum up: if the Jazz make a 2nd round pick, it's Zanik's.

Hopefully Zanik was the guy that pushed the bucks to draft Brogdon and Sterling Brown in the 2nd round. At the very least hopefully getting two solid players in the 2nd round while he was there means that he actually values those picks.

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KqWIN · Post #183 » by **KqWIN** » Sun May 12, 2019 3:12 am

I can already see from twitter and this thread that there's going be some good DL vs Zanik blame/credit game going on when in reality nothing has really change :lol:

Post #184 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sun May 12, 2019 1:05 pm

KqWIN wrote:I can already see from twitter and this thread that there's going be some good DL vs Zanik blame/credit game going on when in reality nothing has really change

Nothing except maybe drafting in the second round once every few drafts. In Jazz terms this is a groundbreaking change

KqWIN · Post #185 » by **KqWIN** » Sun May 12, 2019 3:14 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
KqWIN wrote:I can already see from twitter and this thread that there's going be some good DL vs Zanik blame/credit game going on when in reality nothing has really change

Nothing except maybe drafting in the second round once every few drafts. In Jazz terms this is a groundbreaking change

Oh please...how do expect that we're going to pay for their promotions? Money doesn't grow on trees. Cash considerations are earned.

Post #186 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Sun May 12, 2019 3:19 pm

KqWIN wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
KqWIN wrote:I can already see from twitter and this thread that there's going be some good DL vs Zanik blame/credit game going on when in reality nothing has really change

Nothing except maybe drafting in the second round once every few drafts. In Jazz terms this is a groundbreaking change

Oh please...how do expect that we're going to pay for their promotions? Money doesn't grow on trees. Cash considerations are earned.

With every second round draft pick we trade, Cash Considerations gets stronger. He's looking to have an MVP season next year.

stitches · Post #187 » by **stitches** » Sun May 12, 2019 3:28 pm

KqWIN wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:
KqWIN wrote:I can already see from twitter and this thread that there's going be some good DL vs Zanik blame/credit game going on when in reality nothing has really change

Nothing except maybe drafting in the second round once every few drafts. In Jazz terms this is a groundbreaking change

Oh please...how do expect that we're going to pay for their promotions? Money doesn't grow on trees. Cash considerations are earned.

We have plenty more assistant GMs to promote...

KqWIN · Post #188 » by **KqWIN** » Sun May 12, 2019 3:34 pm

Inigo Montoya wrote:
KqWIN wrote:
Inigo Montoya wrote:Nothing except maybe drafting in the second round once every few drafts. In Jazz terms this is a groundbreaking change

Oh please...how do expect that we're going to pay for their promotions? Money doesn't grow on trees. Cash considerations are earned.

With every second round draft pick we trade, Cash Considerations gets stronger. He's looking to have an MVP season next year.

As fans, I think we overlook chemistry and focus on talent too much. Cash considerations has great synergy and teamwork with cash considerations. This is what we really mean by the heart and soul of our team.

KDBG · Post #189 » by **KDBG** » Mon May 13, 2019 2:25 am

I couldn't breathe after reading this.

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Post #190 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Mon May 13, 2019 2:41 pm

Snyder looks like Patrick Bateman.

zero24gravity · Post #191 » by **zero24gravity** » Mon May 13, 2019 10:46 pm

Hearing rumors the LeBron and the Lakers aren't playing nice. Sixers may be interested in Simmons for LBJ, as an example. Jazz want to win now? Need another scorer who can still defend? Need a guy to play "stretch 4"? The Jazz can't get a big FA to sign, so need to make a trade. He doesn't have a no trade clause.... everyone outside of Mitchell & Gobert are on the block!

Post #192 » by **Inigo Montoya** » Mon May 13, 2019 10:57 pm

LeBron for Tony Bradley, make it happen Zanik!

PharmD · Post #193 » by **PharmD** » Tue May 14, 2019 3:37 am

zero24gravity wrote:Hearing rumors the LeBron and the Lakers aren't playing nice. Sixers may be interested in Simmons for LBJ, as an example. Jazz want to win now? Need another scorer who can still defend? Need a guy to play "stretch 4"? The Jazz can't get a big FA to sign, so need to make a trade. He doesn't have a no trade clause.... everyone outside of Mitchell & Gobert are on the block!

Seems like Mitchell should be on the block in that scenario. Lebron for 3 years + Gobert could absolutely win rings.

And i don't think Joe Ingles can be the centerpiece of a Lebron trade.

KqWIN · Post #194 » by **KqWIN** » Tue May 14, 2019 2:50 pm

At some point I'll have to make the play type breakdown. I think there's so much interesting stuff to be learned there. One thing I'm looking at today, horrible transition offense!

The Jazz sped things up quite a bit this season...but their transition offense was worse than their half court offense. The guards in particular were horrible. Mitchell 13.2 percentile. Rubio 9.9%. Exum 19.0%. Can somebody make a transition layup please!

Think this is an area of improvement, but I think Mitchell's struggles are related to his lack of explosion off of one. If he was good in transition, he'd be as efficient as Devin Booker.

dr0welf · Post #195 » by **dr0welf** » Wed May 15, 2019 3:44 am

If BOS trades for AD would Tatum need to be included? Also, would Jrue become available if they get Tatum or do you use Tatum at the 2?

Do we have someone we could include in a trade that would help NO so we get Tatum? Tatum would be a great #1 to team up with Spida.

stitches · Post #196 » by **stitches** » Wed May 15, 2019 5:45 am

dr0welf wrote:If BOS trades for AD would Tatum need to be included?

I think yes. They need Tatum in the deal if they want AD.

dr0welf wrote:Also, would Jrue become available if they get Tatum or do you use Tatum at the 2?

This is a hard one... I guess it depends on what they can get back for Jrue? Personally I would be tempted to keep him and be their vet that stabilizes the young core of Zion and Tatum. PG is a very important position for a young team... just remember how much we struggled with sub par PGs, and look how badly PHX are struggling without a NBA-level PG even though they have talent elsewhere. I don't get why you think you would need to play Tatum at the 2 though? He's a wing/forward type. i guess... imagine if they get Hayward and Tatum for AD Tatum and Hayward will be the wings(interchangable) and Zion would be the 4/5. This actually becomes a very dangerous team IMO, especially if Hayward can get some of his form back.

dr0welf wrote:Do we have someone we could include in a trade that would help NO so we get Tatum? Tatum would be a great #1 to team up with Spida.

No, unless we include Gobert or Mitchell we are not getting Tatum... and they might not be interested in Gobert either. Tatum is the grand prize of that trade, you are not getting him for 3 quarters type of deal. BTW Tatum is less of a no. 1 than Mitchell... he's much more passive and his handle needs work.

stitches · Post #197 » by **stitches** » Thu May 16, 2019 5:16 pm

Read on Twitter

Post #198 » by **VCfor3** » Thu May 16, 2019 5:53 pm

Question. If Utah waives their cap holds and guarantees Korver's contract, Conley for Exum+Korver(+either your 1st or equivalent salary) works financially to allow you to keep Favors. So would being able to keep Favors and still get Conley convince your FO to offer more than #23+future 2nd? This mildly assumes Korver was planning on retiring and thus being empty salary not positive salary plus Jrue not being available.

stitches · Post #199 » by **stitches** » Thu May 16, 2019 6:02 pm

VCfor3 wrote:Question. If Utah waives their cap holds and guarantees Korver's contract, Conley for Exum+Korver(+either your 1st or equivalent salary) works financially to allow you to keep Favors. So would being able to keep Favors and still get Conley convince your FO to offer more than #23+future 2nd? This mildly assumes Korver was planning on retiring and thus being empty salary not positive salary plus Jrue not being available.

They didn't want to include more than 1 first and a 2nd and they didn't want to include Exum at the trade deadline. There is no reason to think that now that Conley's value to the team is about halved(his best potential playoff run gone) they would want to increase the offer. Makes no sense.

Post #200 » by **VCfor3** » Thu May 16, 2019 6:16 pm

stitches wrote:
VCfor3 wrote:Question. If Utah waives their cap holds and guarantees Korver's contract, Conley for Exum+Korver(+either your 1st or equivalent salary) works financially to allow you to keep Favors. So would being able to keep Favors and still get Conley convince your FO to offer more than #23+future 2nd? This mildly assumes Korver was planning on retiring and thus being empty salary not positive salary plus Jrue not being available.

They didn't want to include more than 1 first and a 2nd and they didn't want to include Exum at the trade deadline. There is no reason to think that now that Conley's value to the team is about halved(his best potential playoff run gone) they would want to increase the offer. Makes no sense.

That was also with a healthy Exum and then he got injured again. Conley also had one of the best offensive stretches of his career after the deadline. Not having him for the playoffs this year hurts but it also showed how badly you guys could use another scorer to help Mitchell out. If no one is making a better offer then yeah but if another team is leading for Conley would you want to boost your offer a bit to get him or just run Rubio back? (Honest question)