Brett Brown : Not Today!

youngcrev · Post #141 » by **youngcrev** » Mon May 13, 2019 2:53 am

phifans wrote:We need a coach who could actually improve Ben Simmons to be a superstar.

I don't know who that guy is but I don't think its Brett Brown.

Year 1: ROY
Year 2: All star

...I'd say he's on a pretty good track so far. Ben becoming a willing and able shooter is on him, not any coach.

LordCovington33 · Post #142 » by **LordCovington33** » Mon May 13, 2019 2:55 am

still in payne wrote:The final nail in the Brown coffin was the three possessions late in the 4th, right in front of the Sixers' bench. Twenty-three seconds of nothing ending with turnovers. Ran the same play twice and then the third time only very slightly different. toronto knew what we were running and was ready for it. we knew what Toronto was going to do on offense and weren't ready for it. Even Greg Anthony was saying we should post up Embiid. But I guess BB likes 7'2" guys dribble driving. Echoes of last year's Celtic series.

Those possessions were very painful. Either a poorly constructed play or a miscommunication on the play. Either way, it was unacceptable when the season is on the line.

XtremeDunkz · Post #143 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Mon May 13, 2019 2:56 am

I want Brett back. Id look long and hard in to trading Ben

76ciology · Post #144 » by **76ciology** » Mon May 13, 2019 2:56 am

Ben’s progress is not tied on Brett. Brett has already built this team around Ben and it has gone to a point that i dont think its good for the team anymore

XtremeDunkz · Post #145 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Mon May 13, 2019 2:59 am

76ciology wrote:Ben’s progress is not tied on Brett. Brett has already built this team around Ben and it has gone to a point that i dont think its good for the team anymore

Brett can only do so much with a crap bench and a PG who is a liability to his entire team on offense.

SixthStreet · Post #146 » by **SixthStreet** » Mon May 13, 2019 2:59 am

The other thing I'll add is that if game 7 was a referendum on what the players actually think of Brown like many people were hypothesizing, I think it's pretty clear with the effort and grit they played with and the emotion they showed after the game.

They'd run through a brick wall, jump off a bridge, follow him into battle, or whatever other analogy you can think of. They love their coach.

FlyingArrow · Post #147 » by **FlyingArrow** » Mon May 13, 2019 2:59 am

Take the coach that lets us sign Jimmy and Tobias. Compete for a title for 3 to 5 years. Once we have a decent backup center.

Dave Meltzer · Post #148 » by **Dave Meltzer** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:01 am

76ciology wrote:Ben’s progress is not tied on Brett. Brett has already built this team around Ben and it has gone to a point that i dont think its good for the team anymore

I definitely don't like how often I have flashbacks to Larry Brown saying only a moron thinks Simmons is a point guard.

76ciology · Post #149 » by **76ciology** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:02 am

You guys are overreacting. Bring this team back next season and improve the back-up C position and i think we’d be the favorites to win the east next year.

phifans · Post #150 » by **phifans** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:09 am

youngcrev wrote:
phifans wrote:We need a coach who could actually improve Ben Simmons to be a superstar.

I don't know who that guy is but I don't think its Brett Brown.

Year 1: ROY
Year 2: All star

...I'd say he's on a pretty good track so far. Ben becoming a willing and able shooter is on him, not any coach.

Ben has not developed much All star or not. Just accept it .

phifans · Post #151 » by **phifans** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:12 am

76ciology wrote:Ben’s progress is not tied on Brett. Brett has already built this team around Ben and it has gone to a point that i dont think its good for the team anymore

You need to develop him before build around him though.

Brett made a huge mistake by handling Ben the key when he has not enough skills to use it.

76ciology · Post #152 » by **76ciology** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:12 am

Think about this..

Last season the biggest problem is celts hunting jj on defense. Brett adjusted. Oh, raps hunts Jj on defense relentlessly. But you just didnt see it because JJ did a great job heding those screens or doing his pre-switch

Siakam obliterated us in g1. Brett adjusted.

Our offense went from free flow to PnR heavy in the playoffs. Brett adjusted.

You want mike scott as back-up C and play small, he also did that in the 2nd halves of G6 and g7.

You dont want jon simmons to play after g1 of nets series, he did that.

You dont want boban after g6, he did that.

He did a lot of good things. He had his mistakes but i dont think its enough to get him fired.

phifans · Post #153 » by **phifans** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:13 am

Dave Meltzer wrote:
76ciology wrote:Ben’s progress is not tied on Brett. Brett has already built this team around Ben and it has gone to a point that i dont think its good for the team anymore

I definitely don't like how often I have flashbacks to Larry Brown saying only a moron thinks Simmons is a point guard.

This is the biggest mistake BB has been made these two years which may not only cost his job but also Ben's development.

XDevilBoiX · Post #154 » by **XDevilBoiX** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:16 am

76ciology wrote:Think about this..

Last season the biggest problem is celts hunting jj on defense. Brett adjusted.

Siakam obliterated us in g1. Brett adjusted.

Our offense went from free flow to PnR heavy in the playoffs. Brett adjusted.

You want mike scott as back-up C, he also did that. You dont want jon simmons to play after g1 of nets series, he did that. You dont want boban after g6, he did that.

He did a lot of good things. He had his mistakes but i dont think its enough to get him fired.

I wonder if he would’ve done all that if he didn’t have the pressure this year and Harris didn’t give him a vote of confidence heading into the playoffs. I’ve been thinking about that the past couple days after game 6. Would he have been the old Brett if he knew his job wasn’t on the line.

tsmith · Post #155 » by **tsmith** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:20 am

Brown coached well this playoffs, you can't deny that. I can't see any other coach available doing a better job then he did.

youngcrev · Post #156 » by **youngcrev** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:21 am

phifans wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
phifans wrote:We need a coach who could actually improve Ben Simmons to be a superstar.

I don't know who that guy is but I don't think its Brett Brown.

Year 1: ROY
Year 2: All star

...I'd say he's on a pretty good track so far. Ben becoming a willing and able shooter is on him, not any coach.

Ben has not developed much All star or not. Just accept it .

It's his his second year... What did you expect?

I know we all wanted him to magically gain a jump shot, but I'd say he made some pretty clear improvements in other areas, specifically the post.

76ciology · Post #157 » by **76ciology** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:22 am

XDevilBoiX wrote:
76ciology wrote:Think about this..

Last season the biggest problem is celts hunting jj on defense. Brett adjusted.

Siakam obliterated us in g1. Brett adjusted.

Our offense went from free flow to PnR heavy in the playoffs. Brett adjusted.

You want mike scott as back-up C, he also did that. You dont want jon simmons to play after g1 of nets series, he did that. You dont want boban after g6, he did that.

He did a lot of good things. He had his mistakes but i dont think its enough to get him fired.

I wonder if he would’ve done all that if he didn’t have the pressure this year and Harris didn’t give him a vote of confidence heading into the playoffs. I’ve been thinking about that the past couple days after game 6. Would he have been the old Brett if he knew his job wasn’t on the line.

You also have to understand that this team and last year’s team dont have good chemistry that you can just adjust on the fly. Much worse with this unconventional built of a roster.

Brett got good intention this game. He started to get jojo get his rhythm. We all know that jojo determines our wins and losses. then he tried to find offense on tobias. Sure the last 2-3 possessions down at crunch time were a big mess, but it’s more than that. The effort from our guys aren’t just there. And our young guys looked rattled. And like I said, you can just compare the performance of lowry and ibaka against ben and biid.

76ciology · Post #158 » by **76ciology** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:24 am

If you think about it. Its a bigger loss for us if brett leaves. I expect brett to be signed immediately. And for us? Maybe interim coach jim o brien with special consultant Tyrone Lue :lol:

youngcrev · Post #159 » by **youngcrev** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:25 am

76ciology wrote:Think about this..

Last season the biggest problem is celts hunting jj on defense. Brett adjusted.

Siakam obliterated us in g1. Brett adjusted.

Our offense went from free flow to PnR heavy in the playoffs. Brett adjusted.

You want mike scott as back-up C, he also did that. You dont want jon simmons to play after g1 of nets series, he did that. You dont want boban after g6, he did that.

He did a lot of good things. He had his mistakes but i dont think its enough to get him fired.

Agreed. He basically turned Siakam into an offensive liability for them after game 1

76ciology · Post #160 » by **76ciology** » Mon May 13, 2019 3:28 am

youngcrev wrote:
76ciology wrote:Think about this..

Last season the biggest problem is celts hunting jj on defense. Brett adjusted.

Siakam obliterated us in g1. Brett adjusted.

Our offense went from free flow to PnR heavy in the playoffs. Brett adjusted.

You want mike scott as back-up C, he also did that. You dont want jon simmons to play after g1 of nets series, he did that. You dont want boban after g6, he did that.

He did a lot of good things. He had his mistakes but i dont think its enough to get him fired.

Agreed. He basically turned Siakam into an offensive liability for them after game 1

Yeah. Look how Nurse had no choice but to run ibaka with the starting unit, instead of siakam in g7.That was a great adjustment.

Brett had his mistakes. But he learns from it.

Theres just too much as stake if you fire him. You have to return to scratch.

Sure maybe he doesnt want this type of PnR offense that i’d assume Jimmy prefers. But i have no doubt in my mind that he will adjust if he thinks its best for us.