Political Roundtable Part XXV

[JWizmentality]

So Bernie Sanders thinks people in prison should be allowed to vote, what nonsense

Why do you think people in prison shouldn't be allowed to vote?

[daoneandonly]

So Bernie Sanders thinks people in prison should be allowed to vote, what nonsense

Why do you think people in prison shouldn't be allowed to vote?

Because they broke the law and part of losing your freedom should include losing rights such as voting. They are not apart of the general community being locked up, and as such should not have an equal say as you or I. Now when they get out, that's a different debate, but if they are in jail during the election, I really don't see an argument for. But please feel free to share your thoughts.

[MJ7]

white Republicans trying to talk about prison voting without getting racial like

[I_Like_Dirt]

Because they broke the law and part of losing your freedom should include losing rights such as voting. They are not apart of the general community being locked up, and as such should not have an equal say as you or I. Now when they get out, that's a different debate, but if they are in jail during the election, I really don't see an argument for. But please feel free to share your thoughts.

People who break the law and have their freedom taken away over relatively minor offenses can't vote, but people who break the law while having the resources to turn things into corporate fines that cost them less than they profit for their crimes get to pay to attempt to swing the election to their favor...

I'm not so sure where I stand on who should or shouldn't be allowed to vote, really, and haven't given a lot of thought to it overall, but your oversimplification of the matter sure doesn't persuade me even in the slightest.

[JWizmentality]

So Bernie Sanders thinks people in prison should be allowed to vote, what nonsense

Why do you think people in prison shouldn't be allowed to vote?

Because they broke the law and part of losing your freedom should include losing rights such as voting. They are not apart of the general community being locked up, and as such should not have an equal say as you or I. Now when they get out, that's a different debate, but if they are in jail during the election, I really don't see an argument for. But please feel free to share your thoughts.

Based on what exactly? They lose their freedom, what's your justification for them losing voting rights? Because they're are not part of the community? How so? They still pay taxes. If I hit someone with my car, you can take away my right to drive. If I steal a pack of loose cigarettes at the corner store, what's your justification for saying now I can't vote?

[daoneandonly]

Because they broke the law and part of losing your freedom should include losing rights such as voting. They are not apart of the general community being locked up, and as such should not have an equal say as you or I. Now when they get out, that's a different debate, but if they are in jail during the election, I really don't see an argument for. But please feel free to share your thoughts.

People who break the law and have their freedom taken away over relatively minor offenses can't vote, but people who break the law while having the resources to turn things into corporate fines that cost them less than they profit for their crimes get to pay to attempt to swing the election to their favor...

I'm not so sure where I stand on who should or shouldn't be allowed to vote, really, and haven't given a lot of thought to it overall, but your oversimplification of the matter sure doesn't persuade me even in the slightest.

I wasnt attempting to sway anyone, I don't understand the rationale at all to allow a criminal in jail to have a say in things that impact the lives of law abiding citizens. Minor infractions are still infractions, and your argument about people buying their way our of jail doesn't negate the fact that this is being pushed by Sanders because he knows the majority of ppl locked up vote democrat, so he wants yet another easy path. Liberals tend to be more lenient on crimes, ergo, which way would jailed people vote? It's pretty striaghtforward

[JWizmentality]

Because they broke the law and part of losing your freedom should include losing rights such as voting. They are not apart of the general community being locked up, and as such should not have an equal say as you or I. Now when they get out, that's a different debate, but if they are in jail during the election, I really don't see an argument for. But please feel free to share your thoughts.

People who break the law and have their freedom taken away over relatively minor offenses can't vote, but people who break the law while having the resources to turn things into corporate fines that cost them less than they profit for their crimes get to pay to attempt to swing the election to their favor...

I'm not so sure where I stand on who should or shouldn't be allowed to vote, really, and haven't given a lot of thought to it overall, but your oversimplification of the matter sure doesn't persuade me even in the slightest.

Precisely. A lot of the well to do can purchase their freedom with no repercussions. How many people here think Lori Loughlin will do jail time? Or have her right to vote taken away. Meanwhile I know a woman serving time for sending her children to a better school out of her district...and she can't vote.

[JWizmentality]

Because they broke the law and part of losing your freedom should include losing rights such as voting. They are not apart of the general community being locked up, and as such should not have an equal say as you or I. Now when they get out, that's a different debate, but if they are in jail during the election, I really don't see an argument for. But please feel free to share your thoughts.

People who break the law and have their freedom taken away over relatively minor offenses can't vote, but people who break the law while having the resources to turn things into corporate fines that cost them less than they profit for their crimes get to pay to attempt to swing the election to their favor...

I'm not so sure where I stand on who should or shouldn't be allowed to vote, really, and haven't given a lot of thought to it overall, but your oversimplification of the matter sure doesn't persuade me even in the slightest.

I wasnt attempting to sway anyone, I don't understand the rationale at all to allow a criminal in jail to have a say in things that impact the lives of law abiding citizens. Minor infractions are still infractions, and your argument about people buying their way our of jail doesn't negate the fact that this is being pushed by Sanders because he knows the majority of ppl locked up vote democrat, so he wants yet another easy path. Liberals tend to be more lenient on crimes, ergo, which way would jailed people vote? It's pretty striaghtforward

Except it's really not. Almost any discussion I have with a conservative devolves into this "liberal plot," and it clouds your view to debate any issue objectively.

[daoneandonly]

Because they broke the law and part of losing your freedom should include losing rights such as voting. They are not apart of the general community being locked up, and as such should not have an equal say as you or I. Now when they get out, that's a different debate, but if they are in jail during the election, I really don't see an argument for. But please feel free to share your thoughts.

People who break the law and have their freedom taken away over relatively minor offenses can't vote, but people who break the law while having the resources to turn things into corporate fines that cost them less than they profit for their crimes get to pay to attempt to swing the election to their favor...

I'm not so sure where I stand on who should or shouldn't be allowed to vote, really, and haven't given a lot of thought to it overall, but your oversimplification of the matter sure doesn't persuade me even in the slightest.

Precisely. A lot of the well to do can purchase their freedom with no repercussions. How many people here think Lori Loughlin will do jail time? Or have her right to vote taken away. Meanwhile I know a woman serving time for sending her children to a better school out of her district...and she can't vote.

So do you propose it being based on the actual crime? Sure the one you mentioned is small in the grand scheme of things, what about a murderer? A rapist? A child molester? Are we going to grant them this privilege just so those small percentages like the ones you mentioned can have such an honor?

[JWizmentality]

People who break the law and have their freedom taken away over relatively minor offenses can't vote, but people who break the law while having the resources to turn things into corporate fines that cost them less than they profit for their crimes get to pay to attempt to swing the election to their favor...

I'm not so sure where I stand on who should or shouldn't be allowed to vote, really, and haven't given a lot of thought to it overall, but your oversimplification of the matter sure doesn't persuade me even in the slightest.

Precisely. A lot of the well to do can purchase their freedom with no repercussions. How many people here think Lori Loughlin will do jail time? Or have her right to vote taken away. Meanwhile I know a woman serving time for sending her children to a better school out of her district...and she can't vote.

So do you propose it being based on the actual crime? Sure the one you mentioned is small in the grand scheme of things, what about a murderer? A rapist? A child molester? Are we going to grant them this privilege just so those small percentages like the ones you mentioned can have such an honor?

I'm saying you can't determine those things. No one should. How about punishment relevant to the crime...like voter fraud? Last I heard Roy Moore and Brett Kavanaugh could still vote.

[daoneandonly]

Precisely. A lot of the well to do can purchase their freedom with no repercussions. How many people here think Lori Loughlin will do jail time? Or have her right to vote taken away. Meanwhile I know a woman serving time for sending her children to a better school out of her district...and she can't vote.

So do you propose it being based on the actual crime? Sure the one you mentioned is small in the grand scheme of things, what about a murderer? A rapist? A child molester? Are we going to grant them this privilege just so those small percentages like the ones you mentioned can have such an honor?

I'm saying you can't determine those things. No one should. How about punishment relevant to the crime...like voter fraud? Last I heard Roy Moore and Brett Kavanaugh could still vote.

And so can Justin Fairfax, like Kavanaugh all these supposed allegations came out conveniently when one was to assume a high position. And considering one of Kavanugh's accusers hired Michael Avenetti, I think that alone speaks to credibility.

What punishments aren't relative to crimes though? A murderer, rapist, child molester, drug dealer should all be locked away. The anecdotal ones you mentioned like the woman who wanted her children to attend better schools, that's such a small percentage.

[I_Like_Dirt]

I wasnt attempting to sway anyone, I don't understand the rationale at all to allow a criminal in jail to have a say in things that impact the lives of law abiding citizens. Minor infractions are still infractions, and your argument about people buying their way our of jail doesn't negate the fact that this is being pushed by Sanders because he knows the majority of ppl locked up vote democrat, so he wants yet another easy path. Liberals tend to be more lenient on crimes, ergo, which way would jailed people vote? It's pretty striaghtforward

I'm definitely not a Sanders supporter - check my post history and see. I'd suggest, though, that Sanders has a pretty solid track record of wanting to make everything the same for everybody with an emphasis on treating poor people the same as wealthy people. His take on prisoners voting fits perfectly in line with that. I'm not sure why anyone would see some sort of political conspiracy to benefit himself there. I'm not even sure that allowing all prisoners to vote would necessarily even vote for Sanders. He's using the Democratic party as an institution but he's clear that he isn't a Democrat. Why even bother building that kind of 2-sided straw man in the first place?

[daoneandonly]

I wasnt attempting to sway anyone, I don't understand the rationale at all to allow a criminal in jail to have a say in things that impact the lives of law abiding citizens. Minor infractions are still infractions, and your argument about people buying their way our of jail doesn't negate the fact that this is being pushed by Sanders because he knows the majority of ppl locked up vote democrat, so he wants yet another easy path. Liberals tend to be more lenient on crimes, ergo, which way would jailed people vote? It's pretty striaghtforward

I'm definitely not a Sanders supporter - check my post history and see. I'd suggest, though, that Sanders has a pretty solid track record of wanting to make everything the same for everybody with an emphasis on treating poor people the same as wealthy people. His take on prisoners voting fits perfectly in line with that. I'm not sure why anyone would see some sort of political conspiracy to benefit himself there. I'm not even sure that allowing all prisoners to vote would necessarily even vote for Sanders. He's using the Democratic party as an institution but he's clear that he isn't a Democrat. Why even bother building that kind of 2-sided straw man in the first place?

In a general election, I think it's a guarantee that the majority of prisoners would vote for the Democratic candidate if they had a vote.

I mean in regards to the topic, if these individuals are deemed a danger to society with their presence in society, why wouldn't their vote be considered the same?

[daoneandonly]

white Republicans trying to talk about prison voting without getting racial like

Except I'm not white, so your meme is moronic and just an attempt to get And1s

[MJ7]

white Republicans trying to talk about prison voting without getting racial like

Except I'm not white, so your meme is moronic and just an attempt to get And1s

I have like 200 posts since 2010 the and1 game is not in my blood. It was also not about your post.

[daoneandonly]

white Republicans trying to talk about prison voting without getting racial like

Except I'm not white, so your meme is moronic and just an attempt to get And1s

I have like 200 posts since 2010 the and1 game is not in my blood. It was also not about your post.

Not everything is racial. Now one can easily argue the disproportionate number of prisoners that are black/hispanic sure, but when it comes to voting, none of them should have that right. I don't see it as Republicans trying to suppress minority votes, I see it as a criminal losing a privilege he/she should no longer have while they serve time.

[gtn130]

daoneandonly I thought you had a watershed moment in your personal life and you changed your mind about a bunch of political stuff. Care to share what you changed your mind on?

Hope you're in good health!

[pancakes3]

i never understood how the party that champions natural rights and individual freedoms is also the party that's the quickest to strip those freedoms from people.

[daoneandonly]

daoneandonly I thought you had a watershed moment in your personal life and you changed your mind about a bunch of political stuff. Care to share what you changed your mind on?

Hope you're in good health!

Thanks, trying to get there

In this particular case, I don't think there's much to change, I still stand on the principle of actions have consequences and people need to be held accountable for that. As such, someone who committed a crime, should lose their freedom and voting rights. Now of course there are those who are falsely imprisoned, and that is a complete travesty, but thats a completely different debate and not one that has merit in a discussion about prisoner voting rights.

Healthcare is one I was bleeding hard Republican for, but back in December as I laid in that stretcher in an ER hallway with hundreds of other patients also there, it did have an impact on me. I realized I was just seeing how the ACA and health insurance stuff impacted my bank account and not these people who are just that, people, human beings. Now the hospital in DC I stayed in was a cesspool, again, another issue, but no one should have to worry about paying for basic health insurance needs or not being able to afford much needed medication.

But don't get me started on the bedside manner of staff at the Washington Hospital Center or even Georgetown Hospital (from a family member's experience I witnessed), both are garbage and really need a lesson in basic human decency.

Hope you are well gtn, I miss our debates haha

[daoneandonly]

i never understood how the party that champions natural rights and individual freedoms is also the party that's the quickest to strip those freedoms from people.

But wouldn't you think certain actions/crimes should warrant such removal of privileges?