Welcome Tobias Harris

[the_process]

Tobias has been overstated as a player ever since he got here. I don't think he'll come under 5-150, in which case I'm torn on whether I'd just let him walk. Depends on whether or not he starts hitting threes, because if he's not hitting those, there's really no point to keeping him around.

The Sixers traded two 1st round picks and Shamet for Harris...There is literally zero chance they let him walk.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost

[XtremeDunkz]

Tobias has been overstated as a player ever since he got here. I don't think he'll come under 5-150, in which case I'm torn on whether I'd just let him walk. Depends on whether or not he starts hitting threes, because if he's not hitting those, there's really no point to keeping him around.

The Sixers traded two 1st round picks and Shamet for Harris...There is literally zero chance they let him walk.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost

lol. You're just being dumb.

[PhillyPhilly]

Tobias has been overstated as a player ever since he got here. I don't think he'll come under 5-150, in which case I'm torn on whether I'd just let him walk. Depends on whether or not he starts hitting threes, because if he's not hitting those, there's really no point to keeping him around.

[FlyingArrow]

We traded for Butler and Harris to win with them.

[76ciology]

I was wondering hows the relationship between Butler and Tobias.

Think about it. We’ve never seen both guys interact. And you can hear butler say praises about how ben and biid play to win. But you never hear butler praise tobias.

[WestGOAT]

I was wondering hows the relationship between Butler and Tobias.

Think about it. We’ve never seen both guys interact. And you can hear butler say praises about how ben and biid play to win. But you never hear butler praise tobias.

I think both realize only one of them will (be offered to) resign with Philly.

[76ciology]

The best thing that happened in the Raps series is teams should be scared to max out Tobias.

[XDevilBoiX]

The best thing that happened in the Raps series is teams should be scared to max out Tobias.

History has shown that it doesn’t matter, too many teams with money to spend this offseason.

[Mik317]

as with Brett, what is the alternative?

Is there any player or players we can get w/ the Tobias money? Unless Durant, Klay or Kawhii is walking through that door...I don't see us going elsewhere...unless Tobias just wants out.

[PhillyFan11]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but we can’t spend big $ on an outside free agent if we do keep Butler on a max deal right? Basically it’s overpay Tobias or let him walk without the ability to replace him?

The league allows a team to go over the cap to resign their own, but not outside FA’s?

[the_process]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but we can’t spend big $ on an outside free agent if we do keep Butler on a max deal right? Basically it’s overpay Tobias or let him walk without the ability to replace him?

The league allows a team to go over the cap to resign their own, but not outside FA’s?

If the Sixers offer Jimmy his max deal and then renounce every other FA they have, push off Picinik Basketts another year, and stretch waive J.Simmons 1M guarantee; they will have a little more than 26M in cap room. That might be enough to add Pat Beverley, Jeremy Lamb, and Noah Vonleh. And then still have the room exception.

[BullyKing]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but we can’t spend big $ on an outside free agent if we do keep Butler on a max deal right? Basically it’s overpay Tobias or let him walk without the ability to replace him?

The league allows a team to go over the cap to resign their own, but not outside FA’s?

If the Sixers offer Jimmy his max deal and then renounce every other FA they have, including Harris... they will have approximately 28M in cap room. That's probably enough to add Pat Beverley, Jeremy Lamb, and Noah Vonleh. And then still have the room exception.

I'm not sure how adding Beverley, Lamb, Vonleh, and the Room Exception at the expense of losing Harris, Redick, Scott, Ennis and the MLE (which we all pray is Beverley anyway) makes us better.

Edit: Obviously, the Harris trade has not looked great so far but it seems like letting him walk to add Jeremy Lamb to cement the point is cutting off our nose to spite our collective face.

[the_process]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but we can’t spend big $ on an outside free agent if we do keep Butler on a max deal right? Basically it’s overpay Tobias or let him walk without the ability to replace him?

The league allows a team to go over the cap to resign their own, but not outside FA’s?

If the Sixers offer Jimmy his max deal and then renounce every other FA they have, including Harris... they will have approximately 28M in cap room. That's probably enough to add Pat Beverley, Jeremy Lamb, and Noah Vonleh. And then still have the room exception.

I'm not sure how adding Beverley, Lamb, Vonleh, and the Room Exception at the expense of losing Harris, Redick, Scott, Ennis and the MLE (which we all pray is Beverley anyway) makes us better.

You know the MLE won't be enough for Beverley. It's going to take something more like 4-46. And I am assuming Ennis accepts his PO.

I'm just not worried about those guys you mentioned. They are all replaceable. I agree it would be better to have the MLE than not; but if they max both Jimmy and Tobias they will only be working with the taxpayer MLE anyway, which isn't a ton more than the room exception.

[PhillyFan11]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but we can’t spend big $ on an outside free agent if we do keep Butler on a max deal right? Basically it’s overpay Tobias or let him walk without the ability to replace him?

The league allows a team to go over the cap to resign their own, but not outside FA’s?

If the Sixers offer Jimmy his max deal and then renounce every other FA they have, including Harris... they will have approximately 28M in cap room. That's probably enough to add Pat Beverley, Jeremy Lamb, and Noah Vonleh. And then still have the room exception.

Thanks for the info...

If we could swap (in free agency) Tobias for 2 good players making 10-12M + keep Scott and Ennis id be all for it. We will see I guess...should be an extremely interesting off season to say the least

[BullyKing]

If the Sixers offer Jimmy his max deal and then renounce every other FA they have, including Harris... they will have approximately 28M in cap room. That's probably enough to add Pat Beverley, Jeremy Lamb, and Noah Vonleh. And then still have the room exception.

I'm not sure how adding Beverley, Lamb, Vonleh, and the Room Exception at the expense of losing Harris, Redick, Scott, Ennis and the MLE (which we all pray is Beverley anyway) makes us better.

You know the MLE won't be enough for Beverley. It's going to take something more like 4-46. And I am assuming Ennis accepts his PO.

I'm just not worried about those guys you mentioned. They are all replaceable. I agree it would be better to have the MLE than not; but if they max both Jimmy and Tobias they will only be working with the taxpayer MLE anyway, which isn't a ton more than the room exception.

I might be wrong but I don't see why the Sixers wouldn't have access to the full mid-level exception as they'd be comfortably under the apron by releasing Jonathon Simmons while keeping the cap holds for Butler, Harris, Redick, Scott, and Ennis. They can create even more space by resigning Redick for less than his $15 million cap hold.

I see no reason why Ennis is opting in for 1.6 million after the playoffs he just had.

I think your 4-46 for Beverley is probably in the right range. The full MLE would 4-40 so its not crazy to think he would be open to a small discount depending on what else is out there.

Just as an example: http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=11884531675cd98ca491f97308543048

[ProcessDoctor]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but we can’t spend big $ on an outside free agent if we do keep Butler on a max deal right? Basically it’s overpay Tobias or let him walk without the ability to replace him?

The league allows a team to go over the cap to resign their own, but not outside FA’s?

If the Sixers offer Jimmy his max deal and then renounce every other FA they have, including Harris... they will have approximately 28M in cap room. That's probably enough to add Pat Beverley, Jeremy Lamb, and Noah Vonleh. And then still have the room exception.

I'm not sure how adding Beverley, Lamb, Vonleh, and the Room Exception at the expense of losing Harris, Redick, Scott, Ennis and the MLE (which we all pray is Beverley anyway) makes us better.

Edit: Obviously, the Harris trade has not looked great so far but it seems like letting him walk to add Jeremy Lamb to cement the point is cutting off our nose to spite our collective face.

This, exactly. We either operate over the cap and bring everyone back or renounce everyone and re-tool around Ben/JoJo.

Anything in between is pointless.

[PhillyFan11]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but we can’t spend big $ on an outside free agent if we do keep Butler on a max deal right? Basically it’s overpay Tobias or let him walk without the ability to replace him?

The league allows a team to go over the cap to resign their own, but not outside FA’s?

If the Sixers offer Jimmy his max deal and then renounce every other FA they have, push off Picinik Basketts another year, and stretch waive J.Simmons 1M guarantee; they will have a little more than 26M in cap room. That might be enough to add Pat Beverley, Jeremy Lamb, and Noah Vonleh. And then still have the room exception.

Now, that I’m looking at it..,the others are right. We are pretty much locked into Tobi/Butler or we starting back over.

$28M in free agency last year probably would have netted us something like Bjelica and KCP...no thanks. There will be too many teams with too much cap $ to try and compete with limited resources in free agency. We’d end up with less talent and still have horrible depth

[the_process]

Ok let's check my math. If they:

1) max Jimmy
2) max Tobias
3) resign Redick 2-18.75
4) resign Scott 2-10
5) get Ennis to opt in
6) sign their 1st round pick (#24)
7) stretch waive J. Simmons 1M guarantee
8) sign Beverley to full 4-40 MLE
9) sign Shake Milton to a 2 year min deal

THEN... that hard caps them and puts them within 2.5M of the apron with 12 roster spots taken. No backup C still unless Bolden progresses, but I guess that could work?

EDIT: After signing a vet min C, it leaves them virtually no wiggle room for 2 way deals or 10 day contracts or injury replacements. I'm not really sure it's viable.

Beverley/Smith/1st
Butler/Redick/Milton
Harris/Ennis
Simmons/Scott/Bolden
Embiid/vet min

[the_process]

I'm not sure how adding Beverley, Lamb, Vonleh, and the Room Exception at the expense of losing Harris, Redick, Scott, Ennis and the MLE (which we all pray is Beverley anyway) makes us better.

You know the MLE won't be enough for Beverley. It's going to take something more like 4-46. And I am assuming Ennis accepts his PO.

I'm just not worried about those guys you mentioned. They are all replaceable. I agree it would be better to have the MLE than not; but if they max both Jimmy and Tobias they will only be working with the taxpayer MLE anyway, which isn't a ton more than the room exception.

I might be wrong but I don't see why the Sixers wouldn't have access to the full mid-level exception as they'd be comfortably under the apron by releasing Jonathon Simmons while keeping the cap holds for Butler, Harris, Redick, Scott, and Ennis. They can create even more space by resigning Redick for less than his $15 million cap hold.

I see no reason why Ennis is opting in for 1.6 million after the playoffs he just had.

I think your 4-46 for Beverley is probably in the right range. The full MLE would 4-40 so its not crazy to think he would be open to a small discount depending on what else is out there.

Just as an example: http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=11884531675cd98ca491f97308543048

In your example, they are only 5.2M away from the apron with only 10 guys under contract. And yeah, they can sign 3 vet min guys to hit the minimum number of rostered players, but it leaves them no wiggle room for 2 ways or 10 days.

[BullyKing]

Ok let's check my math. If they:

1) max Jimmy
2) max Tobias
3) resign Redick 2-18.75
4) resign Scott 2-10
5) get Ennis to opt in
6) sign their 1st round pick (#24)
7) stretch waive J. Simmons 1M guarantee
8) sign Beverley to full 4-40 MLE
9) sign Shake Milton to a 2 year min deal

THEN... that hard caps them and puts them within 2.5M of the apron with 12 roster spots taken. No backup C still unless Bolden progresses, but I guess that could work?

EDIT: After signing a vet min C, it leaves them virtually no wiggle room for 2 way deals or 10 day contracts or injury replacements. I'm not really sure it's viable.

Beverley/Smith/1st
Butler/Redick/Milton
Harris/Ennis/?
Simmons/Scott/Bolden
Embiid/?/?

Yeah, I get pretty much the same numbers. It'd be tight and you'd probably have to play some games like carrying only 14 players at times to save some room but it's theoretically doable.

But you could also do things like bringing back only one of Ennis or Scott. For example, if the offseason otherwise goes as we lay out above, do you really need both? With both Beverley and Redick in the fold and Zhaire hopefully giving us some quality minutes, Simmons will spend more time at the 4. So maybe you don't need Scott and cover 4 with the combination of Harris/Simmons/Bolden. And we're ignoring who that first round pick is at 24, which should also hopefully cover a spot.

I don't think we need to spend a 1st on a third string PG if we've already got Beverley and Simmons (and Butler also capable of running point). So switch that to one of the early 2nds. Use the other early 2nd and the 1st between SF and center and you could use the money we've earmarked for Scott on a better backup center.