BaF Season Two: Announcement on page 80

[Phish Tank]

Chew on this. The last two lottery winners didn't intentionally tank. Illmatic (Magic) and King of Canada (Pacers). Take notes!

I'll call this year "development" and "assessment" rather than tanking.

[bringbackhoffa]

Chew on this. The last two lottery winners didn't intentionally tank. Illmatic (Magic) and King of Canada (Pacers). Take notes!

I'll call this year "development" and "assessment" rather than tanking.

Luckily I didnt trade u my 2019 first...

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[Manhattan Project]

Man on paper the Pacers are looking very scary in the future, though in real life I don't even know how the pieces fit.

[bishnykfan]

EXTENSIONS


Ok.. here goes,

Since last draft there has been a push for extensions to be brought into the game. Basically, something to make draft picks a little more valuable by giving a team more control over the players that have been drafted. Currently, BaF has four year (maximum) deals for first round draft picks and three year (max) deals for second rounders. IRL, teams can have control of their players for longer than that thanks to qualifying offers and restricted free agency which we don't have. So, extensions are a way that we can make up for this.

But extensions need to be fair to the player. It can not just be an extension on his rookie salary. If he is worthy of getting an extension and losing out on a few years on UFA, then he needs to be compensated for that. So, basically, my plan is the 90/60/30 plan... a probably way to complicated and impossible to explain plan to handle extensions.


90 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by three years (maxing out his rookie deal at seven years before UFA). But in order to do that, the team will need to pay. To "buyout" three years of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 90% raise after his rookie season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for six years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.

OR

60 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by two years (maxing out his rookie deal at six years before UFA). To "buyout" two years of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 60% raise after his second season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for four years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.

OR

30 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by one year (maxing out his rookie deal at five years before UFA). To "buyout" one year of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 30% raise after his third season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for two years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.


An example from last draft:






Ok...discussion...let me know what I'm missing, what your thoughts are and what can be done to make the proposal better.

[2010]

Chew on this. The last two lottery winners didn't intentionally tank. Illmatic (Magic) and King of Canada (Pacers). Take notes!

I'll call this year "development" and "assessment" rather than tanking.

Luckily I didnt trade u my 2019 first...

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At one point I was trying to pry it away from you.

[2010]

EXTENSIONS


Ok.. here goes,

Since last draft there has been a push for extensions to be brought into the game. Basically, something to make draft picks a little more valuable by giving a team more control over the players that have been drafted. Currently, BaF has four year (maximum) deals for first round draft picks and three year (max) deals for second rounders. IRL, teams can have control of their players for longer than that thanks to qualifying offers and restricted free agency which we don't have. So, extensions are a way that we can make up for this.

But extensions need to be fair to the player. It can not just be an extension on his rookie salary. If he is worthy of getting an extension and losing out on a few years on UFA, then he needs to be compensated for that. So, basically, my plan is the 90/60/30 plan... a probably way to complicated and impossible to explain plan to handle extensions.


90 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by three years (maxing out his rookie deal at seven years before UFA). But in order to do that, the team will need to pay. To "buyout" three years of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 90% raise after his rookie season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for six years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.

OR

60 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by two years (maxing out his rookie deal at six years before UFA). To "buyout" two years of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 60% raise after his second season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for four years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.

OR

30 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by one year (maxing out his rookie deal at five years before UFA). To "buyout" one year of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 30% raise after his third season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for two years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.


An example from last draft:






Ok...discussion...let me know what I'm missing, what your thoughts are and what can be done to make the proposal better.

So basically if you have a team with several young players you are screwed cuz it is highly unlikely to have enough cap space to be able to extend multiple young players at those rates simultaneously.

[King of Canada]

EXTENSIONS


Ok.. here goes,

Since last draft there has been a push for extensions to be brought into the game. Basically, something to make draft picks a little more valuable by giving a team more control over the players that have been drafted. Currently, BaF has four year (maximum) deals for first round draft picks and three year (max) deals for second rounders. IRL, teams can have control of their players for longer than that thanks to qualifying offers and restricted free agency which we don't have. So, extensions are a way that we can make up for this.

But extensions need to be fair to the player. It can not just be an extension on his rookie salary. If he is worthy of getting an extension and losing out on a few years on UFA, then he needs to be compensated for that. So, basically, my plan is the 90/60/30 plan... a probably way to complicated and impossible to explain plan to handle extensions.


90 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by three years (maxing out his rookie deal at seven years before UFA). But in order to do that, the team will need to pay. To "buyout" three years of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 90% raise after his rookie season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for six years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.

OR

60 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by two years (maxing out his rookie deal at six years before UFA). To "buyout" two years of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 60% raise after his second season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for four years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.

OR

30 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by one year (maxing out his rookie deal at five years before UFA). To "buyout" one year of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 30% raise after his third season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for two years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.


An example from last draft:






Ok...discussion...let me know what I'm missing, what your thoughts are and what can be done to make the proposal better.

So basically if you have a team with several young players you are screwed cuz it is highly unlikely to have enough cap space to be able to extend multiple young players at those rates simultaneously.

I like the idea, but I agree that it does have challenges until the initial draft players are done with their contracts. It also forces you to make a decision very early in the career of a player. Part of the value of a young player lies in their lower cap hit too, especially until they start producing in the real life and the sim.

[bishnykfan]

EXTENSIONS


Ok.. here goes,

Since last draft there has been a push for extensions to be brought into the game. Basically, something to make draft picks a little more valuable by giving a team more control over the players that have been drafted. Currently, BaF has four year (maximum) deals for first round draft picks and three year (max) deals for second rounders. IRL, teams can have control of their players for longer than that thanks to qualifying offers and restricted free agency which we don't have. So, extensions are a way that we can make up for this.

But extensions need to be fair to the player. It can not just be an extension on his rookie salary. If he is worthy of getting an extension and losing out on a few years on UFA, then he needs to be compensated for that. So, basically, my plan is the 90/60/30 plan... a probably way to complicated and impossible to explain plan to handle extensions.


90 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by three years (maxing out his rookie deal at seven years before UFA). But in order to do that, the team will need to pay. To "buyout" three years of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 90% raise after his rookie season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for six years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.

OR

60 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by two years (maxing out his rookie deal at six years before UFA). To "buyout" two years of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 60% raise after his second season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for four years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.

OR

30 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by one year (maxing out his rookie deal at five years before UFA). To "buyout" one year of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 30% raise after his third season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for two years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.


An example from last draft:






Ok...discussion...let me know what I'm missing, what your thoughts are and what can be done to make the proposal better.

So basically if you have a team with several young players you are screwed cuz it is highly unlikely to have enough cap space to be able to extend multiple young players at those rates simultaneously.

Depends...if you have a bunch of top picks you may not be able to offer them all max three year extensions. You may have to wait or stagger them from year to year. Taking your team as an example, under this scenario, if you wanted to offer both Sexton and Knox max extensions this offseason, you would need to come up with only an additional $38 in cap space. Sexton's deal would go from $22/4 to $42/6 while Knox would go from $20/4 to $38/6. This would be for max extensions. Not a crazy amount of cap space if you were committed to both guys. Or, like I said, you could stagger them if you chose or couldn't afford them both this offseason.

[bringbackhoffa]

Those extensions are real cheap and I am set up perfectly for it

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[bringbackhoffa]

Think extensions should start at what the average of the top 25 players make in the game

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[2010]

EXTENSIONS


Ok.. here goes,

Since last draft there has been a push for extensions to be brought into the game. Basically, something to make draft picks a little more valuable by giving a team more control over the players that have been drafted. Currently, BaF has four year (maximum) deals for first round draft picks and three year (max) deals for second rounders. IRL, teams can have control of their players for longer than that thanks to qualifying offers and restricted free agency which we don't have. So, extensions are a way that we can make up for this.

But extensions need to be fair to the player. It can not just be an extension on his rookie salary. If he is worthy of getting an extension and losing out on a few years on UFA, then he needs to be compensated for that. So, basically, my plan is the 90/60/30 plan... a probably way to complicated and impossible to explain plan to handle extensions.


90 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by three years (maxing out his rookie deal at seven years before UFA). But in order to do that, the team will need to pay. To "buyout" three years of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 90% raise after his rookie season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for six years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.

OR

60 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by two years (maxing out his rookie deal at six years before UFA). To "buyout" two years of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 60% raise after his second season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for four years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.

OR

30 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by one year (maxing out his rookie deal at five years before UFA). To "buyout" one year of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 30% raise after his third season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for two years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.


An example from last draft:






Ok...discussion...let me know what I'm missing, what your thoughts are and what can be done to make the proposal better.

So basically if you have a team with several young players you are screwed cuz it is highly unlikely to have enough cap space to be able to extend multiple young players at those rates simultaneously.

I like the idea, but I agree that it does have challenges until the initial draft players are done with their contracts. It also forces you to make a decision very early in the career of a player. Part of the value of a young player lies in their lower cap hit too, especially until they start producing in the real life and the sim.

Additionally what if the % increase ends up with a player on a salary that is not a whole number? Are we rounding up?

For instance, if I give Josh Hart ($16/2 years) a 2 year extension that would be at the 30% increase rate ($9.6 per). He would end up with a salary of $25.6. Would that then be rounded up to $26? Every dollar counts.

[bishnykfan]

EXTENSIONS


Ok.. here goes,

Since last draft there has been a push for extensions to be brought into the game. Basically, something to make draft picks a little more valuable by giving a team more control over the players that have been drafted. Currently, BaF has four year (maximum) deals for first round draft picks and three year (max) deals for second rounders. IRL, teams can have control of their players for longer than that thanks to qualifying offers and restricted free agency which we don't have. So, extensions are a way that we can make up for this.

But extensions need to be fair to the player. It can not just be an extension on his rookie salary. If he is worthy of getting an extension and losing out on a few years on UFA, then he needs to be compensated for that. So, basically, my plan is the 90/60/30 plan... a probably way to complicated and impossible to explain plan to handle extensions.


90 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by three years (maxing out his rookie deal at seven years before UFA). But in order to do that, the team will need to pay. To "buyout" three years of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 90% raise after his rookie season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for six years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.

OR

60 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by two years (maxing out his rookie deal at six years before UFA). To "buyout" two years of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 60% raise after his second season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for four years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.

OR

30 plan- A team can extend a player on his rookie contract by one year (maxing out his rookie deal at five years before UFA). To "buyout" one year of free agency, a team will need to give the player a 30% raise after his third season. This raise will go into effect immediately and the player will be extended and now be under contract for two years at his new rate. A team will need to have the cap space in order to extend the player. At no time, will an extension be allowed to put you over the salary cap.


An example from last draft:






Ok...discussion...let me know what I'm missing, what your thoughts are and what can be done to make the proposal better.

So basically if you have a team with several young players you are screwed cuz it is highly unlikely to have enough cap space to be able to extend multiple young players at those rates simultaneously.

I like the idea, but I agree that it does have challenges until the initial draft players are done with their contracts. It also forces you to make a decision very early in the career of a player. Part of the value of a young player lies in their lower cap hit too, especially until they start producing in the real life and the sim.

Agree...it would only go for players drafted after the initial draft. And I don't think you are forced into doing anything. You can wait until after year three to extend a player and get an extra year tacked onto the end of his contract. Basically it gives you options.

[bishnykfan]

So basically if you have a team with several young players you are screwed cuz it is highly unlikely to have enough cap space to be able to extend multiple young players at those rates simultaneously.

I like the idea, but I agree that it does have challenges until the initial draft players are done with their contracts. It also forces you to make a decision very early in the career of a player. Part of the value of a young player lies in their lower cap hit too, especially until they start producing in the real life and the sim.

Additionally what if the % increase ends up with a player on a salary that is not a whole number? Are we rounding up?

For instance, if I give Josh Hart ($16/2 years) a 2 year extension that would be at the 30% increase rate ($9.6 per). He would end up with a salary of $25.6. Would that then be rounded up to $26? Every dollar counts.

Yes, I rounded everything up to the next whole dollar.

[Capn'O]

Those extensions are real cheap and I am set up perfectly for it

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I'm saying.

[2010]

So basically if you have a team with several young players you are screwed cuz it is highly unlikely to have enough cap space to be able to extend multiple young players at those rates simultaneously.

I like the idea, but I agree that it does have challenges until the initial draft players are done with their contracts. It also forces you to make a decision very early in the career of a player. Part of the value of a young player lies in their lower cap hit too, especially until they start producing in the real life and the sim.

Agree...it would only go for players drafted after the initial draft. And I don't think you are forced into doing anything. You can wait until after year three to extend a player and get an extra year tacked onto the end of his contract. Basically it gives you options.

So just to be clear:

A). Players drafted in BaF Year 1 are not eligible for the extension options
B). Theoretically I can wait until the last year of my players rookie deal and then offer the 90 Plan (additional 3 years at 90% increased rate) extension to him at that time. Which allows me to watch his growth and determine if he is indeed worthy of the extension. Likewise if I wanted to go 60 or 30 Plan instead.

Do I have this right?

[King of Canada]

So basically if you have a team with several young players you are screwed cuz it is highly unlikely to have enough cap space to be able to extend multiple young players at those rates simultaneously.

I like the idea, but I agree that it does have challenges until the initial draft players are done with their contracts. It also forces you to make a decision very early in the career of a player. Part of the value of a young player lies in their lower cap hit too, especially until they start producing in the real life and the sim.

Agree...it would only go for players drafted after the initial draft. And I don't think you are forced into doing anything. You can wait until after year three to extend a player and get an extra year tacked onto the end of his contract. Basically it gives you options.

I really do like it, and I'd love it if I could afford it now Really, just having the option to extend a player for even a year is pretty huge and actually gives up more flexibility to shift our cap around down the road. I can't afford to extend Doncic right now, but all along I was planning future free agency when I have a ton of space free up when my core are all free agents, so this allows me to stagger it a bit. I think it's great

Question - when will the extension deadline be after the rookie season? Tipoff for the following season?

[bishnykfan]

Those extensions are real cheap and I am set up perfectly for it

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I'm saying.

You think so? I thought it would be almost impossible for some teams

In the example I posted, to give Bagley a max extension, he would get an additional $501 for the three years he gives up in FA. Obviously the lower the starting number, the lower the cost of the extension but even a max extension for Javon Carter (the #30 pick last year) would raise his salary from $48/4 ($12 a year) to $150/7 ($21 a year or a $102 raise for the three years).

[bringbackhoffa]

Those extensions are real cheap and I am set up perfectly for it

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I'm saying.

You think so? I thought it would be almost impossible for some teams

In the example I posted, to give Bagley a max extension, he would get an additional $501 for the three years he gives up in FA. Obviously the lower the starting number, the lower the cost of the extension but even a max extension for Javon Carter (the #30 pick last year) would raise his salary from $48/4 ($12 a year) to $150/7 ($21 a year or a $102 raise for the three years).

If bagley turns in to a superstar stud he could make 400+ annually given what teams have spent the last 2 offseasons

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[2010]

Those extensions are real cheap and I am set up perfectly for it

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I'm saying.

You think so? I thought it would be almost impossible for some teams

In the example I posted, to give Bagley a max extension, he would get an additional $501 for the three years he gives up in FA. Obviously the lower the starting number, the lower the cost of the extension but even a max extension for Javon Carter (the #30 pick last year) would raise his salary from $48/4 ($12 a year) to $150/7 ($21 a year or a $102 raise for the three years).

That's why I am over here counting my pennies. I feel like I am not rich enough to afford all the young guys I wanted to keep.

[Capn'O]

Those extensions are real cheap and I am set up perfectly for it

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I'm saying.

You think so? I thought it would be almost impossible for some teams

In the example I posted, to give Bagley a max extension, he would get an additional $501 for the three years he gives up in FA. Obviously the lower the starting number, the lower the cost of the extension but even a max extension for Javon Carter (the #30 pick last year) would raise his salary from $48/4 ($12 a year) to $150/7 ($21 a year or a $102 raise for the three years).

Hoffa and I have cash.

I do agree that the raises should be substantial. Realistic to 2nd deals in the league.