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Post#3561 » by Stillwater » Tue May 14, 2019 5:47 pm

HeadtopChunes wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:After watching the Nuggets in the playoffs and looking at Grant Williams again, he kind of reminds me of a young Paul Millsap. I also looked up Millsap when he was in college, they’re pretty similar athletically at the same age. Millsap developed his body to be able to move the way he can now, maybe with NBA training Williams can become a more fluid player. Millsap also went in the second round, where Williams is mostly being projected.


I think Clarke can also be that kind of player (or better considering his athletic traits are better than Milsaps)

I don't really remember Milsap as a prospect so I'm unsure of how close they are in skill level.

Clarke is going to be similar to John Collins in the NBA imo...high energy post player that can switch onto guards easily and rebound like crazy. Not an offensive weapon outside the paint
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Re: 2019 Draft Class 

Post#3562 » by DoItALL9 » Tue May 14, 2019 8:07 pm

Fischella wrote:Can we talk about Carsen Edwards as a top10 pick cause I know I am gonna talk myself into it
As of now how high do you think he goes?

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Re: 2019 Draft Class 

Post#3563 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed May 15, 2019 3:41 am

Clarke would be a nice fit for the Suns now they have fallen to 6th
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Re: 2019 Draft Class 

Post#3564 » by King Ken » Wed May 15, 2019 4:15 am

Stillwater wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:After watching the Nuggets in the playoffs and looking at Grant Williams again, he kind of reminds me of a young Paul Millsap. I also looked up Millsap when he was in college, they’re pretty similar athletically at the same age. Millsap developed his body to be able to move the way he can now, maybe with NBA training Williams can become a more fluid player. Millsap also went in the second round, where Williams is mostly being projected.


I think Clarke can also be that kind of player (or better considering his athletic traits are better than Milsaps)

I don't really remember Milsap as a prospect so I'm unsure of how close they are in skill level.

Clarke is going to be similar to John Collins in the NBA imo...high energy post player that can switch onto guards easily and rebound like crazy. Not an offensive weapon outside the paint

Nope, not at all. He plays like DeMarre Carroll.
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Re: 2019 Draft Class 

Post#3565 » by HeadtopChunes » Wed May 15, 2019 2:13 pm

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Stillwater wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
I think Clarke can also be that kind of player (or better considering his athletic traits are better than Milsaps)

I don't really remember Milsap as a prospect so I'm unsure of how close they are in skill level.

Clarke is going to be similar to John Collins in the NBA imo...high energy post player that can switch onto guards easily and rebound like crazy. Not an offensive weapon outside the paint

Nope, not at all. He plays like DeMarre Carroll.


might just be me but i could see some Taj Gibson

the scouting reports are pretty similar, with less emphasis on the low post because it's 2019, not 2009

Gibson scouting report from 2009

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Strengths: An extremely efficient and consistent player … He is an underrated athlete, possessing nice length and the ability to get off the ground quickly … His touch around the basket is very soft, where he prefers to turn to his left shoulder, but is still comfortable going to the left hand … In the post he is extremely patient, he seals well and fights for position … His post-up game mostly consists of drop steps and mini hooks … He is also very dangerous with his faceup game, because he can take slower defenders off the dribble or use his consistent jumpshot … For a big man, he has an extremely effective midrange shot, with a smooth stroke and high release, this could help him in screen and roll situations at the next level … He is a very smart and active rebounder, he attacks the offensive glass, and he reads the bounce to get into good position … His length is also a great weapon defensively, combining with great timing to make him a very good shotblocker … He has great hands, runs the floor well and shows an impressive motor for a big … He has played a secondary role throughout his collegiate career, but he continues to work hard and his improvement is evident …

Weaknesses: He is a bit undersized for the post, but more importantly his body is very frail … Through his time in college, he has failed to add any substantial bulk to a somewhat soft looking frame … At times he becomes robotic in the way he operates, seeming unsure of his moves … Instead of just playing naturally and taking what’s open, he thinks the game too much … His back to the basket repertoire is fairly limited, especially when he faces bigger defenders, he resorts to shooting tough and offbalance shots … He needs to become more comfortable putting the ball on the deck, because with his size he will surely be asked to attack from the high post … His FT shooting has improved, but he still has games where he is inconsistent … He has not shown the demeanor and killer instinct to carry his team in crunch time, he seems content with taking a back seat (part of the problem is the fact that he gets looked off on numerous occasions by his teammates) …
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Re: 2019 Draft Class 

Post#3566 » by Stillwater » Wed May 15, 2019 2:59 pm

King Ken wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
I think Clarke can also be that kind of player (or better considering his athletic traits are better than Milsaps)

I don't really remember Milsap as a prospect so I'm unsure of how close they are in skill level.

Clarke is going to be similar to John Collins in the NBA imo...high energy post player that can switch onto guards easily and rebound like crazy. Not an offensive weapon outside the paint

Nope, not at all. He plays like DeMarre Carroll.

clarke stretches the floor too...oohh sign me up
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Re: 2019 Draft Class 

Post#3567 » by No-Man » Wed May 15, 2019 6:34 pm

I love Brandon Clarke but 6-8 wingspan and 8-6 reach it's terrible for him, only 210 which it's no surprise he is skinny, but he is almost 23 so not sure how much he can add, has gotten bigger progressively in college, so maybe 220 is doable

I always thought about him as a 4, not a 5, but he is gonna need to shoot it
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Re: 2019 Draft Class 

Post#3568 » by King Ken » Wed May 15, 2019 6:52 pm

Stillwater wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Clarke is going to be similar to John Collins in the NBA imo...high energy post player that can switch onto guards easily and rebound like crazy. Not an offensive weapon outside the paint

Nope, not at all. He plays like DeMarre Carroll.

clarke stretches the floor too...oohh sign me up

I am referencing him as a prospect, not pro. Clarke will develop into a three point shooter
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Re: 2019 Draft Class 

Post#3569 » by Stillwater » Wed May 15, 2019 6:59 pm

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Stillwater wrote:
King Ken wrote:Nope, not at all. He plays like DeMarre Carroll.

clarke stretches the floor too...oohh sign me up

I am referencing him as a prospect, not pro. Clarke will develop into a three point shooter

Maybe, but at his age, I would not anticipate it
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Post#3570 » by King Ken » Wed May 15, 2019 7:18 pm

Stillwater wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Stillwater wrote:clarke stretches the floor too...oohh sign me up

I am referencing him as a prospect, not pro. Clarke will develop into a three point shooter

Maybe, but at his age, I would not anticipate it

I believe he will.
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Re: 2019 Draft Class 

Post#3571 » by Stillwater » Wed May 15, 2019 8:33 pm

King Ken wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
King Ken wrote:I am referencing him as a prospect, not pro. Clarke will develop into a three point shooter

Maybe, but at his age, I would not anticipate it

I believe he will.

based on?
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Re: 2019 Draft Class 

Post#3572 » by King Ken » Wed May 15, 2019 9:00 pm

Stillwater wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Maybe, but at his age, I would not anticipate it

I believe he will.

based on?

Form, release, warmups. With his style of play, he just needs reps and practice. His athleticism will also buy him space.
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Re: 2019 Draft Class 

Post#3573 » by Illmatic12 » Wed May 15, 2019 9:20 pm

Stillwater wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:After watching the Nuggets in the playoffs and looking at Grant Williams again, he kind of reminds me of a young Paul Millsap. I also looked up Millsap when he was in college, they’re pretty similar athletically at the same age. Millsap developed his body to be able to move the way he can now, maybe with NBA training Williams can become a more fluid player. Millsap also went in the second round, where Williams is mostly being projected.


I think Clarke can also be that kind of player (or better considering his athletic traits are better than Milsaps)

I don't really remember Milsap as a prospect so I'm unsure of how close they are in skill level.

Clarke is going to be similar to John Collins in the NBA imo...high energy post player that can switch onto guards easily and rebound like crazy. Not an offensive weapon outside the paint

That doesn't describe John Collins at all. Have you watched Collins play before? How do you think he gets his 20ppg?
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Re: 2019 Draft Class 

Post#3574 » by Stillwater » Wed May 15, 2019 9:58 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
HeadtopChunes wrote:
I think Clarke can also be that kind of player (or better considering his athletic traits are better than Milsaps)

I don't really remember Milsap as a prospect so I'm unsure of how close they are in skill level.

Clarke is going to be similar to John Collins in the NBA imo...high energy post player that can switch onto guards easily and rebound like crazy. Not an offensive weapon outside the paint

That doesn't describe John Collins at all. Have you watched Collins play before? How do you think he gets his 20ppg?

Really? 54% of his fga were at the rim to 3', 19% 3-10' ,.06% 10-16',.018 16-3pt, and .190 from deep. 72% were assisted.
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Re: 2019 Draft Class 

Post#3575 » by Illmatic12 » Wed May 15, 2019 10:04 pm

Stillwater wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:Clarke is going to be similar to John Collins in the NBA imo...high energy post player that can switch onto guards easily and rebound like crazy. Not an offensive weapon outside the paint

That doesn't describe John Collins at all. Have you watched Collins play before? How do you think he gets his 20ppg?

Really? 54% of his fga were at the rim to 3', 19% 3-10' ,.06% 10-16',.018 16-3pt, and .190 from deep. 72% were assisted.

You said he's not an offensive weapon outside of the paint. Nearly 1/4 of Collins shot attempts were from outside the paint! He actually has to be guarded out there because he shoots 35% from 3pt and can score the ball in a variety of ways.

Brandon Clarke is nowhere near Collins level of offensive utility. You can't use him as a floor spacing big, you can't use him in the PnP. And Collins is a much more threatening roll man because he is bigger and just as athletic. It's complete night-and-day difference to how teams will guard them at the next level.

It makes more sense to compare Clarke to someone like Jordan Bell . In other words, when you're on offense it will be like playing 4v5 because defenses will not guard him.
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Re: 2019 Draft Class 

Post#3576 » by Stillwater » Thu May 16, 2019 1:35 am

Illmatic12 wrote:
Stillwater wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:That doesn't describe John Collins at all. Have you watched Collins play before? How do you think he gets his 20ppg?

Really? 54% of his fga were at the rim to 3', 19% 3-10' ,.06% 10-16',.018 16-3pt, and .190 from deep. 72% were assisted.

You said he's not an offensive weapon outside of the paint. Nearly 1/4 of Collins shot attempts were from outside the paint! He actually has to be guarded out there because he shoots 35% from 3pt and can score the ball in a variety of ways.

Brandon Clarke is nowhere near Collins level of offensive utility. You can't use him as a floor spacing big, you can't use him in the PnP. And Collins is a much more threatening roll man because he is bigger and just as athletic. It's complete night-and-day difference to how teams will guard them at the next level.

It makes more sense to compare Clarke to someone like Jordan Bell . In other words, when you're on offense it will be like playing 4v5 because defenses will not guard him.

ok whatever man... the point was I think Clarke could at least reach Collins level offensively and regardless of the improvement Collins is making his strength is inside same as Clarke always has been
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Re: 2019 Draft Class 

Post#3577 » by clyde21 » Thu May 16, 2019 3:45 am

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Post#3579 » by 916fan » Thu May 16, 2019 6:12 am

doordoor123 wrote:https://www.amestrib.com/sports/20190515/iowa-state-mens-basketball-talen-horton-tucker-charged-pleads-guilty-to-misdemeanor-theft


Wonder how this hurts his stock

Not much. It was a misdemeanor under $200. As long as the team gets to interview him and is able to ask around, his stock should be fine.
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Re: 2019 Draft Class 

Post#3580 » by kobyz » Thu May 16, 2019 9:41 am

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I'm not sure he's good enough level for the nba, reminds me Jeremy Pargo..

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