Wizards 2019 Draft thread. (Tank for Zion, or OTHER NAME HERE)

[Illmatic12]

Yes, time to deal Beal. Might as well tank next season with young players.

They're not trading Beal. They're still running a business and it's better to win 35 games than 22 games. And with the way the lottery odds have changed, your prospects of getting a top pick with the 9th worst record in the league aren't much worse than they are with the worst record in the league.

Think about it. In this draft, the 8th seed got the top pick, the 7th seed got the 2nd pick, and the 11th seed got the 4th pick. Why tank your way down to the bottom three?

The goal isn't tanking, the goal is getting the most for Beal while you can because you cannot win with him right now and eventually he's going to request a trade. I know he's playing the good soldier right now but all-NBA type players grow tired of 32-win type seasons very quickly.

Trading Bradley Beal for Ja Morant and Parsons is tanking. These trades you’ve been suggesting are tanking moves that will decimate the viability of the franchise for far longer than the duration of Wall or Beal’s contracts.

Beal has firmly indicated that he’s not demanding a trade. You don’t trade a 25yo All-NBA player prematurely because you’re scared that he *might* ask for a trade down the line. If he wants out then you cross that bridge then

[oddity]

Suns fan here. I was wondering how you guys like the sound of trading #6, TJ Warren, our Milwaukee pick and a very lightly protected/unprotected future first for Beal.
Obviously Beal is great but if you guys wanted to cut the rope early and move in the direction of a full rebuild we can offer more picks than probably any other team. As a fellow struggling franchise, by the way, I'm wishing yall the best of luck moving forward. The draft gods simply were not on our sides tonight.

[Illmatic12]

Suns fan here. I was wondering how you guys like the sound of trading #6, TJ Warren, our Milwaukee pick and a very lightly protected/unprotected future first for Beal.
Obviously Beal is great but if you guys wanted to cut the rope early and move in the direction of a full rebuild we can offer more picks than probably any other team. As a fellow struggling franchise, by the way, I'm wishing yall the best of luck moving forward. The draft gods simply were not on our sides tonight.

No. Phoenix would’ve needed a top 3 pick to come to the table with that trade, especially if you think you can get away with not including Bridges (you can’t). That return does nothing for Washington as a franchise moving forward.

That offer probably wouldn’t even get Jrue Holiday. Maybe Phoenix could put something together for Mike Conley Jr , I think it’s time they bring in a veteran PG.

[dangermouse]

I can't believe we finally showed Grunfeld the door, and this is how the basketball gods thank us???? Dropped 3 places. FFFFFFFFfffffff

Blessing in disguise though perhaps? I don't think im into trading down. What would that trade look like, 9 to the C's for 14 and 22? Nah im good.

I like Doumbouya at 9 (who ive warmed up too, despite his age), to pair with a re-signed Bryant up front. Our interior D and rebounding would be much improved. His ability to switch has to be a plus too, for that is what we do.

If Sekou goes early then I'd look at Jaxson Hayes, but I think this would be the situation in which i would rather trade down for 14 and 22 with the objective being to get Goga and anyone who drops.

We're still in a bad spot, but I think this has sealed for me that we should keep Beal. Cavs and Suns dropping so far... why tank? Why trade him for picks? He isnt worth the #1, he is perhaps worth the #2 but do Griz want him? Pick #3 or lower and Beal isnt worth letting go for that.

[gambitx777]

Suns fan here. I was wondering how you guys like the sound of trading #6, TJ Warren, our Milwaukee pick and a very lightly protected/unprotected future first for Beal.
Obviously Beal is great but if you guys wanted to cut the rope early and move in the direction of a full rebuild we can offer more picks than probably any other team. As a fellow struggling franchise, by the way, I'm wishing yall the best of luck moving forward. The draft gods simply were not on our sides tonight.

Nope, But we would probably trade you #9 to take john wall for tyler johnson, T.J. warren, Ellie Okobo and the rights to the bucks pick y'all own.

[The Consiglieri]

Nobody is trading Zion.

+1. Most valuable pick asset in more than a decade. They aren’t stupid. Trading veal is a must but it has to be for fantastic futures and picks and picks not in this draft. What were the best partners again, delusuional teams that don’t realize they aren’t contending in ‘20/‘21?

Eh, I wouldn't mind having three or four mid firsts in this draft. One is likely to land as a really good player. Problem is the chances of landing one with just a single pick feels terrible.

I like the look of Boston as a trade partner. Problem is they've got so much going on that it seems unlikely to happen. Between trying to keep Kyrie, trying to land AD, etc---I don't see it.

The real failure was not getting draft assets between Porter and Oubre. We should absolutely have at least an additional first round pick to show for Porter--between that and #9 we'd have had significantly more flexibility to trade up, down, etc.

I don't see how #9 gets you #14 and #20 in this draft.

More bullets, a better shot at hitting something. I understand that. I just don't see it w/this draft, and w/our luck anyway. I'd rather move the pick for say an early 2nd and a lightly protected first in '21 or '22 or whenever they reopen the draft for high schoolers (if that plays out as it was rumored during this past offseason). We are essentially totally screwed until 2023, so there's literally zero point in trying to get value out of a rookie contract right now. All it actually does is hurt us in terms of potential lottery odds in '20 (though supposedly next years draft sucks too). W/that in mind I'd rather just try to bank as many 1sts as possible for the '21-'23 classes when we finally get out from underneath that albatross extension and can actually utilize them. I know we're not going to do it, but honesty, we have a team killing contract on the roster that we can't escape for four freaking years. We need to have a real long term time horizon/view w/regards to decision making, any firsts we utilize should be done to develop into tradable assets that can actually carry value a few years from now when we can finally start rebuilding out of the ashes of E.G.'s Chernobyl style approach to the draft, free agency, trades and cap management.

[Dat2U]

Suns fan here. I was wondering how you guys like the sound of trading #6, TJ Warren, our Milwaukee pick and a very lightly protected/unprotected future first for Beal.
Obviously Beal is great but if you guys wanted to cut the rope early and move in the direction of a full rebuild we can offer more picks than probably any other team. As a fellow struggling franchise, by the way, I'm wishing yall the best of luck moving forward. The draft gods simply were not on our sides tonight.

Nope, But we would probably trade you #9 to take john wall for tyler johnson, T.J. warren, Ellie Okobo and the rights to the bucks pick y'all own.

[Dat2U]

They're not trading Beal. They're still running a business and it's better to win 35 games than 22 games. And with the way the lottery odds have changed, your prospects of getting a top pick with the 9th worst record in the league aren't much worse than they are with the worst record in the league.

Think about it. In this draft, the 8th seed got the top pick, the 7th seed got the 2nd pick, and the 11th seed got the 4th pick. Why tank your way down to the bottom three?

The goal isn't tanking, the goal is getting the most for Beal while you can because you cannot win with him right now and eventually he's going to request a trade. I know he's playing the good soldier right now but all-NBA type players grow tired of 32-win type seasons very quickly.

Trading Bradley Beal for Ja Morant and Parsons is tanking. These trades you’ve been suggesting are tanking moves that will decimate the viability of the franchise for far longer than the duration of Wall or Beal’s contracts.

Beal has firmly indicated that he’s not demanding a trade. You don’t trade a 25yo All-NBA player prematurely because you’re scared that he *might* ask for a trade down the line. If he wants out then you cross that bridge then

Were losing one way or the other. What does it matter if its 22 or 32 wins? Waiting just delays the inevitable and by that time we may be looking at a Tobias Harris level package. I hate to sound like a broken record but be patient just means we get less when were forced to deal him.

Waiting means you don't get you a Ja Morant. Waiting does not get you a JJJ. Waiting gets you some B/C level assets and protected picks.

[Dat2U]

Suns fan here. I was wondering how you guys like the sound of trading #6, TJ Warren, our Milwaukee pick and a very lightly protected/unprotected future first for Beal.
Obviously Beal is great but if you guys wanted to cut the rope early and move in the direction of a full rebuild we can offer more picks than probably any other team. As a fellow struggling franchise, by the way, I'm wishing yall the best of luck moving forward. The draft gods simply were not on our sides tonight.

Not even close. You could have least included Bridges. I would have still turned it down but it would have been semi respectable.

[No-Man]

They're not trading Beal. They're still running a business and it's better to win 35 games than 22 games. And with the way the lottery odds have changed, your prospects of getting a top pick with the 9th worst record in the league aren't much worse than they are with the worst record in the league.

Think about it. In this draft, the 8th seed got the top pick, the 7th seed got the 2nd pick, and the 11th seed got the 4th pick. Why tank your way down to the bottom three?

The goal isn't tanking, the goal is getting the most for Beal while you can because you cannot win with him right now and eventually he's going to request a trade. I know he's playing the good soldier right now but all-NBA type players grow tired of 32-win type seasons very quickly.

Preach, I don't get how people don't understand this, it's also about reseting the clock and playing the odds, I know Beal is young but on his contract with the rest of the Wiz's deal, it's not going anywhere, esp if you have to supermax him to keep him (not a good idea)

He is gonna ask for a trade by the deadline, the moment to move him it's now

Also I'd expect the Wizards to select between Sekou, Goga and Hayes

[gambitx777]

Suns fan here. I was wondering how you guys like the sound of trading #6, TJ Warren, our Milwaukee pick and a very lightly protected/unprotected future first for Beal.
Obviously Beal is great but if you guys wanted to cut the rope early and move in the direction of a full rebuild we can offer more picks than probably any other team. As a fellow struggling franchise, by the way, I'm wishing yall the best of luck moving forward. The draft gods simply were not on our sides tonight.

Nope, But we would probably trade you #9 to take john wall for tyler johnson, T.J. warren, Ellie Okobo and the rights to the bucks pick y'all own.

are you saying they wouldn't do it, or you wouldn't do it?
personally I think we needed to get top 3 to use it to remove wall, but I think that trade isn't all that back imo.

[Jimmy Recard]

Yep, lump me in with the “trade Beal and trade him now” camp. His trade value is at an all time high right now. Love the kid but we’re not winning anything with him here the next two years, and by then he’ll just leave for nothing. Or best case, he tells our FO next offseason that he doesn’t plan to re-sign, which handicaps his trade value as he’ll be expiring.

I mean, Clippers got 2 firsts and a young prospect in return for Tobias Harris - a non all star on an expiring deal whose older then Beal. Beal is a 25 year old all star on a good contract coming off a 25-5-5 season. Trading Beal between now and next season’s trade deadline will net us the best return.

[prime1time]

Yep, lump me in with the “trade Beal and trade him now” camp. His trade value is at an all time high right now. Love the kid but we’re not winning anything with him here the next two years, and by then he’ll just leave for nothing. Or best case, he tells our FO next offseason that he doesn’t plan to re-sign, which handicaps his trade value as he’ll be expiring.

I mean, Clippers got 2 firsts and a young prospect in return for Tobias Harris - a non all star on an expiring deal whose older then Beal. Beal is a 25 year old all star on a good contract coming off a 25-5-5 season. Trading Beal between now and next season’s trade deadline will net us the best return.

Trade value is overrated because it is abstract. What are we trading him for? We just saw that with the new lottery odds, tanking isn't nearly as beneficial as it use to be. Going into a 4 or 5 year period where a team is awful simply does not make sense. If we can get a great value for Beal fine. But the likelihood is that we are going to trade him to a young team that's trying to make a jump. We are not going to get an amazing asset like a top 2 pick and we are not going to get a future star. Both the Bulls and the Wolves got a lot for Jimmy Butler so I don't see why it is so pressing to trade him now. I don't care about none top 2 draft picks in this draft and I don't care about stock piling future role players. If we can get Tatum or Morant or another potential star with a couple other pieces trade him. But to trade him for an middling lottery pick a role player and a future first (that's likely not going to be good because we are giving the other team Beal) is silly. Beal averaged around 28, 7 and 7 after Wall went down and carried the offense. And he's getting better every year.

To panic and give that away is crazy. We have no reason to rush. The Lakers just got the 4th pick in the draft and they have LBJ. So please don't tell me we can't get a good pick with Beal on the roster. We were this close to getting Zion this year. Where is this team if we draft a solid player this year and strike gold with the draft lottery next year? We would have Beal, Bryant, Brown Jr., our 1st round pick and potential star in a high lottery pick from next year. And Beal would be only 26.

A trade is a two way street. Beal's value might be high, but the market, due to the lackluster draft, is weak. If there were future stars all over the lottery I'd say trade him. But there aren't. If a team wants to give up a young potential star, I'm all ears though.

[NatP4]

You have to trade Beal. This team has like 2 talented young players. You can’t overcome Walls contract. Acquire a bunch of picks and start building

[truwizfan4evr]

I'm not all that upset about falling to #9. Yeah, it sucks that we didn't land a top 2 pick, but we only had an 18% chance of that happening. After #2, this draft is a crapshoot. I have no idea who the next best players are, and neither does anyone else. There are sure to be a lot of players picked in the 9-16 range who pan out to be better than the guys picked 3-8.

Hopefully, we paid our karma dues in this draft and the basketball gods will allow us to move up in a future draft when that extra couple of draft slots is likely to matter more.

this post made me feel better lol

[MVPofDC]

May be time to blow it up and at least be a young exciting team since with Wall's deal we wont be going anywhere over meaningful the next few seasons.

I'd hate to see Beal go but we could command a good return for him to get a young talented core going.

I'd take Reddish at #9 if he's still there. If not, some mocks have suggested we swing for the fences on a prospect with a lot of potential like Bol Bol or Sekou Doumbouya.

[truwizfan4evr]

May be time to blow it up and at least be a young exciting team since with Wall's deal we wont be going anywhere over meaningful the next few seasons.

I'd hate to see Beal go but we could command a good return for him to get a young talentekd core going.

I'd take Reddish at #9 if he's still there. If not, some mocks have suggested we swing for the fences on a prospect with a lot of potential like Bol Bol or Sekou Doumbouya.

what player will be the steal of the draft that's not being mention much? And I hope we can get a steal at 9 pick. This is super depressing.

[dckingsfan]

[TGW]

Relax guys.

Drafting #3 is really no different than drafting #9. Optically, it looks worse. In reality, Barrett WILL NOT be the third best player in the draft. It's a crapshoot after pick #2.

There will be a good player at #9. Personally, I think it will be Goga (anytime Dat2U and doc agree on a guy, that guy usually pans out). Right now, the GM hire is infinitely more important than the pick.

[No-Man]

Goga is going to be good, the question is more about value with him, it's basically inefficient to spend money or premium asssets on bigs unless they are tier I talents, and Goga even though like I said it's going to be good, not the same player but a different version of Nurkic, Capela, Adams, that level as a ceiling, is not going to get to that type of level in my opinion, and if you pay those guys you are kinda ****

Honeslty if he is there at 9th I am picking Brandon Clarke