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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick! 

Post#1781 » by Kerrsed » Wed May 15, 2019 8:06 pm

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Wonder if he’s going to Lakers. If we didn’t make the promise, we should be able to get culver or hunter.
Lakers can't really make promises because they would trade that pick in a heartbeat if NO wants it in a Davis trade.

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Pelicans already refused to deal with the Lakers. They said they would trade him, but he will not be in a Laker uniform. The FO is pissed with LA and how they handled things.
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick! 

Post#1782 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed May 15, 2019 8:07 pm

Crives wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Crives wrote:
Wonder if he’s going to Lakers. If we didn’t make the promise, we should be able to get culver or hunter.
Lakers can't really make promises because they would trade that pick in a heartbeat if NO wants it in a Davis trade.

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Good point. If that’s the case it’s got to be us or Cleveland right?
Kind of doubt suns would due to them sniffing around the trade market. Could be the bulls at 8. Keep an eye on who he works out for if it's only teams before Chicago it's probably them. They promised Hutchinson last year so it's something they do.

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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick! 

Post#1783 » by enigmatics » Wed May 15, 2019 8:08 pm

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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick! 

Post#1784 » by darmani » Wed May 15, 2019 8:12 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Crives wrote:
kennydorglas wrote:
Rich Paul being Rich Paul.


Wonder if he’s going to Lakers. If we didn’t make the promise, we should be able to get culver or hunter.
Lakers can't really make promises because they would trade that pick in a heartbeat if NO wants it in a Davis trade.

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Yeah, LAL, NYK, PHX, CHI (if the rumor is true) all want to trade their picks. Cleveland and Atlanta already have their young point guards. That leaves only the Wizards in the top-10...

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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick! 

Post#1785 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed May 15, 2019 8:17 pm

RunDogGun wrote:Next question: Do we try and trade back with ATL, giving them the 6th pick and the 32nd for 8th and 10th pick? Grab White and Clarke, and find a way to dump Jailbird Jackson?


Now that would be a nice turnaround, after all this disappointment. I could definitely get behind that. :thumbsup:
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Post#1786 » by Crives » Wed May 15, 2019 8:24 pm

Ghost of Kleine wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Next question: Do we try and trade back with ATL, giving them the 6th pick and the 32nd for 8th and 10th pick? Grab White and Clarke, and find a way to dump Jailbird Jackson?


Now that would be a nice turnaround, after all this disappointment. I could definitely get behind that. :thumbsup:


I posted that on trade boards last night and Atlanta didn’t sound interested. I included Milwaukee 1st as well
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick! 

Post#1787 » by Crives » Wed May 15, 2019 8:26 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Lakers can't really make promises because they would trade that pick in a heartbeat if NO wants it in a Davis trade.

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Good point. If that’s the case it’s got to be us or Cleveland right?
Kind of doubt suns would due to them sniffing around the trade market. Could be the bulls at 8. Keep an eye on who he works out for if it's only teams before Chicago it's probably them. They promised Hutchinson last year so it's something they do.

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But why back out of combine for 8? You would think he would try to get drafted higher.

Maybe nobody promised, and he is not in good shape yet as he’s still recovering from his knee injury.

Any rumors on his injury status?
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick! 

Post#1788 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed May 15, 2019 8:29 pm

Crives wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
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Good point. If that’s the case it’s got to be us or Cleveland right?
Kind of doubt suns would due to them sniffing around the trade market. Could be the bulls at 8. Keep an eye on who he works out for if it's only teams before Chicago it's probably them. They promised Hutchinson last year so it's something they do.

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But why back out of combine for 8? You would think he would try to get drafted higher.

Maybe nobody promised, and he is not in good shape yet as he’s still recovering from his knee injury.

Any rumors on his injury status?
He can still work out with teams picking higher. If he knows 8 is his floor then why interview with late lotto teams.

**** this could just be Rich Paul generating some buzz for his client. He's a no doubt lotto pick anyway.

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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick! 

Post#1789 » by Dr Manute » Wed May 15, 2019 8:34 pm

My predictions:

1) Lakers pick Darius Garland
2) Lonzo traded to the Suns
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick! 

Post#1790 » by Crives » Wed May 15, 2019 8:34 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Crives wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Kind of doubt suns would due to them sniffing around the trade market. Could be the bulls at 8. Keep an eye on who he works out for if it's only teams before Chicago it's probably them. They promised Hutchinson last year so it's something they do.

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But why back out of combine for 8? You would think he would try to get drafted higher.

Maybe nobody promised, and he is not in good shape yet as he’s still recovering from his knee injury.

Any rumors on his injury status?
He can still work out with teams picking higher. If he knows 8 is his floor then why interview with late lotto teams.

**** this could just be Rich Paul generating some buzz for his client. He's a no doubt lotto pick anyway.

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Man... I hope james has reset the relationship with this guy..
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick! 

Post#1791 » by ImNotMcDiSwear » Wed May 15, 2019 8:40 pm

Starting to get the feeling this will be one of those drafts where the players projected initially to go at the top all fall, and a bunch of undercards take half the lotto spots.
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick! 

Post#1792 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed May 15, 2019 8:41 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
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alamin330 wrote:I think you underestimate the power of the 1%. Who really cares how much Ernst&young are worth if they operate with hush money. Actually you create more of a doubt by saying what you say because the more money you have the more you can get away with. It’s actually naive of you to think a multi billion dollar company wouldn’t be corrupt. Look at your history. Nice try though.


Why would Ernst & Young want to be involved in that?


They wouldn't. They had like $35 billion in revenue last year and the NBA had like $4 billion. Plus many of the biggest companies in the world and their investors rely on E&Ys and all the big 4 accounting firm's integrity.....when it is cracked, company's crumble (including the accounting firm).

See Arthur Andersen, Enron, Worldcom, etc, back in the day.

Plus, regardless of all that, if these people took a few minutes to watch the damn process, they would see it would be pretty much impossible to rig.

You'll always have some of this....probably not worth arguing..

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First off, Nothing is impossible to rig, or above the possability of such a consideration, when there's profit that stands to be gained.

And to your point about them not being willing or capable of such things, it's also merely an opinion, just the same as the opposing opinons and perspectives being discussed.

https://www.accounting-degree.org/scandals/ .

And such examples as Enron, Bernie Mac, The Lehman brothers, Freddie mac and Tyco are all examples of large firms that show how easily and often it can actually happen.

Integrity is important for a businesses' image and reputation of course. But the reality is that all too often, The bottom line profits will always be the determining factor in overall decisions made with both ethical and unethical implications.

So obviously, There are 2 sides to every coin man. And honestly, your gif image applies more tangibly and contextually to those who have a tendency to ignore the obvious situations going on around them in order to not become uncomfortable in having to contemplate such unpleasant realities in life.
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick! 

Post#1793 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed May 15, 2019 8:55 pm

Went and watched some Garland highlights from the Nike hoops summit last night and I get the appeal. Dude really moves and handles well and his form on his jumper is pure and quick. There's definitely something to work with there.

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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick! 

Post#1794 » by Revived » Wed May 15, 2019 8:56 pm

darmani wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:
Crives wrote:
Wonder if he’s going to Lakers. If we didn’t make the promise, we should be able to get culver or hunter.
Lakers can't really make promises because they would trade that pick in a heartbeat if NO wants it in a Davis trade.

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Yeah, LAL, NYK, PHX, CHI (if the rumor is true) all want to trade their picks. Cleveland and Atlanta already have their young point guards. That leaves only the Wizards in the top-10...

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IIRC, didn’t Kyrie also only play a handful of games at Duke before he was the 1st overall pick of his draft?
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Post#1795 » by Revived » Wed May 15, 2019 9:02 pm

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Yeah the wingspan is bad but holy crap he weighs just 208 lbs? And he’s a big man?

A lot of PGs in the NBA weigh more than that.

Yeah this kid might end up being really good but he’s definitely a 4-5 yr project. And the Suns don’t have that kind of time.
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Post#1796 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed May 15, 2019 9:04 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:This is the last thing I'll say about the dumb rigged argument.... If the league really did do that wouldn't they give some Eastern conference teams a boost? The bottom of the East has been abysmal for like 15 years and the disparity in conferences is one of the biggest issues the league has.

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It's only a dumb argument, in that opposing views must vehemently be shutdown, or didcounted, because they don't fit or share the opposing narrative of the discussion.

But again, the reality that can't be discounted is in that the NBA is a global business entity. That as with any business values profits first. Not only for their own growth and marketability as a global entity, but to ensure their sustainability too.

With respect to the botom half of the east, ( just as much with the bottom feeders of the west) being bad. The reality is that the NBA will always look to take care of, advance, and help sustain it's biggest markets, as they are their top profit earners( cash cows)first.

And with that, The smaller markets in both the East and the West, are left to fight for the leftovers.

The difference that must be considered in this is that with the East however, they're simply less appealing destinationsfor players, do to additional outside factors such as bad winters, business and societal environment, etc.

So they just have a harder time competing with the more desirable west coast amenities being offered as a draw.
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick! 

Post#1797 » by Saberestar » Wed May 15, 2019 9:10 pm

Dr Manute wrote:My predictions:

1) Lakers pick Darius Garland
2) Lonzo traded to the Suns

LeBron playing with a rookie PG? I just do not see it.

I think that the Lakers are gonna trade their pick for sure.

I think that Garland is a mystery...he played so few games and he had a big time injury.

He has a thin frame and he is just 6'2, so he is gonna have a tough rookie season guarding any PG in the league.

He looks an OK pick at #6. I am not convinced about him but I understand that he is talented and has a big upside, but he is for sure a backup PG in his rookie season.

The only team that I think can select him before us are the Knicks at #3. And that looks a long shot...
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Post#1798 » by Ghost of Kleine » Wed May 15, 2019 9:12 pm

Years90Suns wrote:
Ghost of Kleine wrote:With respect man, A couple of points:

It's important to remember that this is a business, And in any business, The greatest benefit comes in ensuring the profitability and overall sustainability of the biggest markets, As they obviously have the largest number of fans and as a result,

The greatest potential to add to the overall TV revenue and marketing sales for the NBA'S overall profit margin obviously.

So that alone is a very legitimate motivator. Now again, Consider the teams that moved up, And the obvious vested assets and interests involved, prior to heading into free agency:

1- The Pels: The whole Laker Fiasco was an embarrassment to the league. And with the trade failing to occur,

The result is the Lakers missing the playoffs AND becoming dysfunctional and losing viability( means losing money as the league's long time "Cash Cow"!).

As they're the largest market and NBA's "Darling" of a franchise. But currently unable to attract any discernable Big Name players. The Pels are still sore over the whole Rich Paul fiasco, So how do you smooth things over, in order to get the trade done, and restore your largest markets viability???

By enticing the team that still has control of Davis with a "Generational Talent " in Zion, that ensures their franchise marketing and media interest.

Now, Why not New York you ask, Because New York already pretty much has Durant locked up.
And Having Durant and Barrett together, along with the big market draw of New York itself,

As well as another max contract slot to boot, Pretty much ensures they can get another big name, such as Kemba Walker, Who would surely like to play alongside Durant in a huge Market like theirs.

The Mavs, again aren't as big of a marketing draw as LA or New York, So therein lies my point.

It's a business model, And a very lucrative one at that. So to assume that they'd in any way elect to leave potential profits up to genuine chance is highly unrealistic.


So again man, With respect, We're just going to have to have two very differing opinions obviously , and that's fine.

But as neither perspective, can be or have yet been completely proven or discounted, It then becomes only a matter of perspective obviously for now. However, with the same respect......

There's obviously been evidence that can to a point, Substantiate both perspectives too. Otherwise there wouldn't be a continuing debate over such ideas after all these years.

In the end, I don't ask/nor do I expect anyone to subscribe to my perspective on this subject. But just because we see things differently, doesn't mean that I'm wrong anymore than you're perspective is right either.

As again neither perspectives has been irrefutably proven, even after all these years.

All we can do is see how things play out this summer, and make further assertions from that point. :wink:



I believe the most impostant thing for the league should be that the smallest markets earn money... or at least that they do not lose money.

If the Lakers, Knicks, Bulls, Heat, Sixers, Wizards, Celtics and Warriors (ther a are a few more big markets yet) earn a ton of money and win all the tittles while having the best players and then you have 10 teams losing money because they are not selling tickets due to the fact that they do not have attractive players, and they never get to the PO (so they even get less money), then the overall product you have is going in a bad direction.

The league is enjoying a good time of bonanza and that is because the small markets are able to retain their stars (Giannis, DeRozan, AD, Kemba, Westbrook, PG, etc) and, coincidentally, some big markets and historical winning franchises are doing many bad decisions or having any luck with some movements (Lakers, Knicks, Bulls).

The most important thing, IMO, is that the average revenue of the franchises gets to a certain level because most of them are close to that level, and not because there are 5 franchises getting 10 while others are getting 6, which could render a final average of 8/9. That is like the average world salary, so distant...


Very well put, and I totally agree. I just want a level playing field in the end. Like anyone else. Hopefully the parity can become an actual fixture more in time.
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick! 

Post#1799 » by Crives » Wed May 15, 2019 9:12 pm

Saberestar wrote:
Dr Manute wrote:My predictions:

1) Lakers pick Darius Garland
2) Lonzo traded to the Suns

LeBron playing with a rookie PG? I just do not see it.

I think that the Lakers are gonna trade their pick for sure.

I think that Garland is a mistery...he played so few games and he had a big time injury.

He has a thin frame and he is just 6'2, so he is gonna have a tough rookie season guarding any PG in the league.

He looks an OK pick at #6. I am not convinced about him but I understand that he is talented and has a big upside, but he is for sure a backup PG in his rookie season.

The only team that I think can select him before us are the Knicks at #3. And that looks a long shot...


Let’s think of it this way,

If Lakers goal is to get AD, who is the best prospect for the trade?

If Lakers want to keep Lonzo. Maybe Garland has most value if he gets packed next to Ingram and kuzma??
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Re: 2019 Draft Discussion - Suns with 6th pick! 

Post#1800 » by Saberestar » Wed May 15, 2019 9:14 pm

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Yeah the wingspan is bad but holy crap he weighs just 208 lbs? And he’s a big man?

A lot of PGs in the NBA weigh more than that.

Yeah this kid might end up being really good but he’s definitely a 4-5 yr project. And the Suns don’t have that kind of time.

The problem is that he will be 23 years old before the start of the season, he is not a teenager that needs to bulk or anything like that.

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