Memphis Grizzlies 2020 draft pick, to Boston: protected top 6 in 2020, unprotected in 2021.

[jfs1000d]

Does the pick 2 make Memphis better straight away?

Makes them worse next year. They trade Conley, and their team is JA Morant and Jaren Jackson Jr..

That's a really good core, but they are still in rebuild mode and out west look like a 28-win team IMO in 2020. 2021 could be better or worse depending on draft picks development.

I would bet mid lottery over the next two years for Memphis. I think they will be 6 and below for 2020. Maybe we squeeze the No. 7 pick out of them next year.

[winsomme2]

Does the pick 2 make Memphis better straight away?

Makes them worse next year. They trade Conley, and their team is JA Morant and Jaren Jackson Jr..

That's a really good core, but they are still in rebuild mode and out west look like a 28-win team IMO in 2020. 2021 could be better or worse depending on draft picks development.

I would bet mid lottery over the next two years for Memphis. I think they will be 6 and below for 2020. Maybe we squeeze the No. 7 pick out of them next year.

for the sake of discussion. assuming KD and Kyrie go to NYC and AD goes to LAL, I think the bottom dwellers next season are:

CLE
PHO
CHI
ATL
NO
MEM (losing Conley)
CHA (losing Kemba)

The problem IMO is that people think MEM is gonna be bad next year AND 2021. I don't think that's true. Much lke SAC, I think MEM in 2021 will be an up and coming team and pick will be pretty crappy. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I think the people celebrating the fact that we didn't get that pick this year are underestimating MEM in 2021.

[zimpy27]

Does the pick 2 make Memphis better straight away?

Makes them worse next year. They trade Conley, and their team is JA Morant and Jaren Jackson Jr..

That's a really good core, but they are still in rebuild mode and out west look like a 28-win team IMO in 2020. 2021 could be better or worse depending on draft picks development.

I would bet mid lottery over the next two years for Memphis. I think they will be 6 and below for 2020. Maybe we squeeze the No. 7 pick out of them next year.

for the sake of discussion. assuming KD and Kyrie go to NYC and AD goes to LAL, I think the bottom dwellers next season are:

CLE
PHO
CHI
ATL
NO
MEM (losing Conley)
CHA (losing Kemba)

The problem IMO is that people think MEM is gonna be bad next year AND 2021. I don't think that's true. Much lke SAC, I think MEM in 2021 will be an up and coming team and pick will be pretty crappy. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I think the people celebrating the fact that we didn't get that pick this year are underestimating MEM in 2021.

They won't trade Conley until next offseason when he becomes an expiring max deal to exchange for bad contracts and picks.

They will try compete this year so the pick transfers while giving their young guys a winning culture.

[GoCeltics123]

Makes them worse next year. They trade Conley, and their team is JA Morant and Jaren Jackson Jr..

That's a really good core, but they are still in rebuild mode and out west look like a 28-win team IMO in 2020. 2021 could be better or worse depending on draft picks development.

I would bet mid lottery over the next two years for Memphis. I think they will be 6 and below for 2020. Maybe we squeeze the No. 7 pick out of them next year.

for the sake of discussion. assuming KD and Kyrie go to NYC and AD goes to LAL, I think the bottom dwellers next season are:

CLE
PHO
CHI
ATL
NO
MEM (losing Conley)
CHA (losing Kemba)

The problem IMO is that people think MEM is gonna be bad next year AND 2021. I don't think that's true. Much lke SAC, I think MEM in 2021 will be an up and coming team and pick will be pretty crappy. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I think the people celebrating the fact that we didn't get that pick this year are underestimating MEM in 2021.

They won't trade Conley until next offseason when he becomes an expiring max deal to exchange for bad contracts and picks.

They will try compete this year so the pick transfers while giving their young guys a winning culture.

I don't agree.

You need to give Morant the keys now. Utah could give you nice assets for Conley, or Indiana.

[zimpy27]

for the sake of discussion. assuming KD and Kyrie go to NYC and AD goes to LAL, I think the bottom dwellers next season are:

CLE
PHO
CHI
ATL
NO
MEM (losing Conley)
CHA (losing Kemba)

The problem IMO is that people think MEM is gonna be bad next year AND 2021. I don't think that's true. Much lke SAC, I think MEM in 2021 will be an up and coming team and pick will be pretty crappy. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I think the people celebrating the fact that we didn't get that pick this year are underestimating MEM in 2021.

They won't trade Conley until next offseason when he becomes an expiring max deal to exchange for bad contracts and picks.

They will try compete this year so the pick transfers while giving their young guys a winning culture.

I don't agree.

You need to give Morant the keys now. Utah could give you nice assets for Conley, or Indiana.

Memphis probably value their pick highly. Any chance Boston trade for the pick for Conely somehow?

[Fencer reregistered]

They won't trade Conley until next offseason when he becomes an expiring max deal to exchange for bad contracts and picks.

They will try compete this year so the pick transfers while giving their young guys a winning culture.

I don't agree.

You need to give Morant the keys now. Utah could give you nice assets for Conley, or Indiana.

Memphis probably value their pick highly. Any chance Boston trade for the pick for Conely somehow?

If Kyrie leaves, sure. But Conley is 31 years old. So I don't see that he's worth that pick, nor do I see an easy way to balance the deal.

[jmr07019]

I see Memphis moving up to 2 as a win for us. We don't need 4 rookies. 3 is a lot and this years draft is weak. I'm happy to roll the dice on getting a better asset. Expected outcome is 6-10 pick in an average draft. Better than 9th pick in a weak draft. It's not a highly valued asset yet but has the potential to become one. Worst case scenario it ends up like the Sacto pick in the 10-16 range.

[GoCeltics123]

Posted this in the trade thread but:

FYI

If the Celtics still think Kyrie is gone

They could offer MEM Pick w/no Protections anymore, 14, 20 and 22 and Jaylen Brown to Memphis for #2 and Dillon Brooks

Why for Boston: PG of the future (Morant), avoid having the pay Jaylen Brown a big extension, get a decent young wing back

Why for Memphis: Pick protections are gone and you no longer owe Boston a pick, Get a good young wing in Jaylen Brown to pair with Jaren Jackson and JV

I don't think it's enough for Memphis, but I could totally see Ainge doing something like this

[zimpy27]

Posted this in the trade thread but:

FYI

If the Celtics still think Kyrie is gone

They could offer MEM Pick w/no Protections anymore, 14, 20 and 22 and Jaylen Brown to Memphis for #2 and Dillon Brooks

Why for Boston: PG of the future (Morant), avoid having the pay Jaylen Brown a big extension, get a decent young wing back

Why for Memphis: Pick protections are gone and you no longer owe Boston a pick, Get a good young wing in Jaylen Brown to pair with Jaren Jackson and JV

I don't think it's enough for Memphis, but I could totally see Ainge doing something like this

I think dealing that pick to Memphis is a good idea. No one wants their pick as much as they do. To control their own destiny. So you'd get the best value

[NotMyKawhi]

I think the Grizz keep Conley and draft RJ...they need wings and have to win next year

Conley
Bradley
RJ
JJ
JV

[Ascrilas]

I think a problem will be Valanciunas and Caboclo, the former could be very productive in a more prominent role (I mean, he has been already at the end of the season), and Bruno has made great strides and could develop into a good player.

[keevsnick1]

Does the pick 2 make Memphis better straight away?

Makes them worse next year. They trade Conley, and their team is JA Morant and Jaren Jackson Jr..

That's a really good core, but they are still in rebuild mode and out west look like a 28-win team IMO in 2020. 2021 could be better or worse depending on draft picks development.

I would bet mid lottery over the next two years for Memphis. I think they will be 6 and below for 2020. Maybe we squeeze the No. 7 pick out of them next year.

for the sake of discussion. assuming KD and Kyrie go to NYC and AD goes to LAL, I think the bottom dwellers next season are:

CLE
PHO
CHI
ATL
NO
MEM (losing Conley)
CHA (losing Kemba)

The problem IMO is that people think MEM is gonna be bad next year AND 2021. I don't think that's true. Much lke SAC, I think MEM in 2021 will be an up and coming team and pick will be pretty crappy. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I think the people celebrating the fact that we didn't get that pick this year are underestimating MEM in 2021.

People don't realize how rare it is for a team to pull of what SAC did, coming into this season hey were projected as a bottom 5 team. Teams very, very rarely go from a bottom 6 team to a late lottery or playoff team in just 1 season. And as good as Morant and Jaren Jackson will be I don't know that they are making that team good at 21 years old, especially since Conley will very likely be gone by then as will JV.

[fallguy]

Makes them worse next year. They trade Conley, and their team is JA Morant and Jaren Jackson Jr..

That's a really good core, but they are still in rebuild mode and out west look like a 28-win team IMO in 2020. 2021 could be better or worse depending on draft picks development.

I would bet mid lottery over the next two years for Memphis. I think they will be 6 and below for 2020. Maybe we squeeze the No. 7 pick out of them next year.

for the sake of discussion. assuming KD and Kyrie go to NYC and AD goes to LAL, I think the bottom dwellers next season are:

CLE
PHO
CHI
ATL
NO
MEM (losing Conley)
CHA (losing Kemba)

The problem IMO is that people think MEM is gonna be bad next year AND 2021. I don't think that's true. Much lke SAC, I think MEM in 2021 will be an up and coming team and pick will be pretty crappy. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I think the people celebrating the fact that we didn't get that pick this year are underestimating MEM in 2021.

People don't realize how rare it is for a team to pull of what SAC did, coming into this season hey were projected as a bottom 5 team. Teams very, very rarely go from a bottom 6 team to a late lottery or playoff team in just 1 season. And as good as Morant and Jaren Jackson will be I don't know that they are making that team good at 21 years old, especially since Conley will very likely be gone by then as will JV.

Just a hat tip. You keep throwing down some solid posts.

[Darthlukey]

I don't agree.

You need to give Morant the keys now. Utah could give you nice assets for Conley, or Indiana.

Memphis probably value their pick highly. Any chance Boston trade for the pick for Conely somehow?

If Kyrie leaves, sure. But Conley is 31 years old. So I don't see that he's worth that pick, nor do I see an easy way to balance the deal.

Conley would be great for this team, but agreed with the issues, salary is tough to match and age is a concern

[winsomme2]

for the sake of discussion. assuming KD and Kyrie go to NYC and AD goes to LAL, I think the bottom dwellers next season are:

CLE
PHO
CHI
ATL
NO
MEM (losing Conley)
CHA (losing Kemba)

The problem IMO is that people think MEM is gonna be bad next year AND 2021. I don't think that's true. Much lke SAC, I think MEM in 2021 will be an up and coming team and pick will be pretty crappy. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I think the people celebrating the fact that we didn't get that pick this year are underestimating MEM in 2021.

People don't realize how rare it is for a team to pull of what SAC did, coming into this season hey were projected as a bottom 5 team. Teams very, very rarely go from a bottom 6 team to a late lottery or playoff team in just 1 season. And as good as Morant and Jaren Jackson will be I don't know that they are making that team good at 21 years old, especially since Conley will very likely be gone by then as will JV.

Just a hat tip. You keep throwing down some solid posts.

yeah but we don't need them to be bad next season. We need them to be bad the year after that.

If they are bottom of the barrel this season, they keep their pick.

So, by 2020 offseason. they will have JJJ, Morant, 2020 top pick, AND enough cap space to sign FAs.

So the chances that they are bad in 2020/2021 (when we need them to be bad) aren't that rare....

IMO that's what people aren't realizing. MEM is going to tank like nobody's business this year because this is the year they get to keep their pick. In 2020, they are NOT going to tank (just like SAC) because WE have their pick. They'll be all out going for the playoffs at that point. They probably won't get there, but they'll more likely be in the 10-14 pick range.

that's what I'm seeing at this point anyway.

[zimpy27]

I don't agree.

You need to give Morant the keys now. Utah could give you nice assets for Conley, or Indiana.

Memphis probably value their pick highly. Any chance Boston trade for the pick for Conely somehow?

If Kyrie leaves, sure. But Conley is 31 years old. So I don't see that he's worth that pick, nor do I see an easy way to balance the deal.

Horford (or Hayward) + Memphis pick + Pick 14,20,22 for Conley + JJJ + Brooks (or Rabb)

Conley, Brown, Tatum, JJJ, Baynes
Smart, Brooks, Hayward, Theis, RW3

I like this team for Boston though it would be a toss up whether to include Horford or Hayward.

Memphis lose JJJ which is the major sticking point but they gain back their pick for tanking and 3 more 1st round picks to rebuild this season.

[Fencer reregistered]

Memphis probably value their pick highly. Any chance Boston trade for the pick for Conely somehow?

If Kyrie leaves, sure. But Conley is 31 years old. So I don't see that he's worth that pick, nor do I see an easy way to balance the deal.

Horford (or Hayward) + Memphis pick + Pick 14,20,22 for Conley + JJJ + Brooks (or Rabb)

Conley, Brown, Tatum, JJJ, Baynes
Smart, Brooks, Hayward, Theis, RW3

I like this team for Boston though it would be a toss up whether to include Horford or Hayward.

Memphis lose JJJ which is the major sticking point but they gain back their pick for tanking and 3 more 1st round picks to rebuild this season.

I just don't see why Memphis would trade JJJ.

And of course I'd vehemently opposed trading Horford.

[3D Chess]

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[zimpy27]

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We just saw Zion and RJ play together and it didn't make the most of both their abilities.

Do Pelicans really want to fire that up again? I'd be taking Garland if I was them.

[Darth Celtic]

Does the pick 2 make Memphis better straight away?

Makes them worse next year. They trade Conley, and their team is JA Morant and Jaren Jackson Jr..

That's a really good core, but they are still in rebuild mode and out west look like a 28-win team IMO in 2020. 2021 could be better or worse depending on draft picks development.

I would bet mid lottery over the next two years for Memphis. I think they will be 6 and below for 2020. Maybe we squeeze the No. 7 pick out of them next year.

for the sake of discussion. assuming KD and Kyrie go to NYC and AD goes to LAL, I think the bottom dwellers next season are:

CLE
PHO
CHI
ATL
NO
MEM (losing Conley)
CHA (losing Kemba)

The problem IMO is that people think MEM is gonna be bad next year AND 2021. I don't think that's true. Much lke SAC, I think MEM in 2021 will be an up and coming team and pick will be pretty crappy. I hope I'm wrong about that, but I think the people celebrating the fact that we didn't get that pick this year are underestimating MEM in 2021.

Not really. I'd gladly have the 11 th pick in 20 or 21 than 9 in this draft where 20 and 22 will be near same value. That's the point. Top 4 pick in 21 would just be gravy


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