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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#901 » by Laimbeer » Tue May 7, 2019 10:32 am

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Would he? He seems to have a similar type benefit in this game - elite player who doesn't take a lot of FGAs / high FGA slot.

BTW, I'm thinking I want to make the era limited to 90s and forward at most. If there are too many elite players it becomes an easier decision to fill lower slots sooner.


I think the person who drafts Magic will still get great players with the top 2 slots, likely one of them an MVP. It will be very difficult for someone else with one MVP caliber player to compete. Or to put it another way of someone spends their first round on like Reggie Miller the difference between that and getting Magic is huge, and they may even have to use a higher slot

Agreed. Should legislate against being able to pick an MVP with those lower slots.


I'm still not sure how this is different than other games. Magic saves you FGAs, allowing you to pick one more high FGA player than others.

Also, guys like Kawhi, Wade, Dirk, Paul, George, Barkley, Duncan, Giannis and Garnett with good seasons can be taken in lower slots. By raising it to 17 it would include Durant and Steph.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#902 » by Fadeaway_J » Tue May 7, 2019 11:27 am

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I think the person who drafts Magic will still get great players with the top 2 slots, likely one of them an MVP. It will be very difficult for someone else with one MVP caliber player to compete. Or to put it another way of someone spends their first round on like Reggie Miller the difference between that and getting Magic is huge, and they may even have to use a higher slot

Agreed. Should legislate against being able to pick an MVP with those lower slots.


I'm still not sure how this is different than other games. Magic saves you FGAs, allowing you to pick one more high FGA player than others.

Also, guys like Kawhi, Wade, Dirk, Paul, George, Barkley, Duncan, Giannis and Garnett with good seasons can be taken in lower slots. By raising it to 17 it would include Durant and Steph.

Fair enough.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#903 » by 8on » Tue May 7, 2019 8:21 pm

How about a 12 man roster draft, with the option to skip two rounds if you want to? 105 FGAs for 12, 95 for 10. No FGA minimum, every player has to play 8 minutes. 70s to now to keep the multiplier.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#904 » by Fadeaway_J » Tue May 7, 2019 9:48 pm

8on wrote:How about a 12 man roster draft, with the option to skip two rounds if you want to? 105 FGAs for 12, 95 for 10. No FGA minimum, every player has to play 8 minutes. 70s to now to keep the multiplier.

12 is a bit excessive in terms of roster size, especially with a minutes minimum. I wouldn't go beyond 10.

However, what I would really like this the option to do this in any draft. Even in a playoff format, there's normally a lag time of a few hours before the matchups are created, and in a hybrid we go on pause for several days. Just allot two or three hours after the eighth round is completed during which anyone who wants a nine or ten man roster can make their extra picks. Add maybe 5 FGA for each pick, and it can only be used for those picks and not combined with the regular limit.

I'm sure I will die alone on this hill, but I hate being locked into an eight-man rotation every single time. Just like someone can roll with a crappy bench if they so desire, I want the opportunity to create a true bench mob rather than just a couple of placeholders and a scrub backup center.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#905 » by 8on » Tue May 7, 2019 10:40 pm

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8on wrote:How about a 12 man roster draft, with the option to skip two rounds if you want to? 105 FGAs for 12, 95 for 10. No FGA minimum, every player has to play 8 minutes. 70s to now to keep the multiplier.

12 is a bit excessive in terms of roster size, especially with a minutes minimum. I wouldn't go beyond 10.

However, what I would really like this the option to do this in any draft. Even in a playoff format, there's normally a lag time of a few hours before the matchups are created, and in a hybrid we go on pause for several days. Just allot two or three hours after the eighth round is completed during which anyone who wants a nine or ten man roster can make their extra picks. Add maybe 5 FGA for each pick, and it can only be used for those picks and not combined with the regular limit.

I'm sure I will die alone on this hill, but I hate being locked into an eight-man rotation every single time. Just like someone can roll with a crappy bench if they so desire, I want the opportunity to create a true bench mob rather than just a couple of placeholders and a scrub backup center.


We could do two extra rounds. A 24 hour deadline could be set after the draft is over for people to message the commissioner if they need one or two extra picks. Then we could run a quick BA draft with only those picks. Maybe 1 hour time slots. Then rankings or playoffs
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Post#906 » by Fadeaway_J » Tue May 7, 2019 11:02 pm

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8on wrote:How about a 12 man roster draft, with the option to skip two rounds if you want to? 105 FGAs for 12, 95 for 10. No FGA minimum, every player has to play 8 minutes. 70s to now to keep the multiplier.

12 is a bit excessive in terms of roster size, especially with a minutes minimum. I wouldn't go beyond 10.

However, what I would really like this the option to do this in any draft. Even in a playoff format, there's normally a lag time of a few hours before the matchups are created, and in a hybrid we go on pause for several days. Just allot two or three hours after the eighth round is completed during which anyone who wants a nine or ten man roster can make their extra picks. Add maybe 5 FGA for each pick, and it can only be used for those picks and not combined with the regular limit.

I'm sure I will die alone on this hill, but I hate being locked into an eight-man rotation every single time. Just like someone can roll with a crappy bench if they so desire, I want the opportunity to create a true bench mob rather than just a couple of placeholders and a scrub backup center.


We could do two extra rounds. A 24 hour deadline could be set after the draft is over for people to message the commissioner if they need one or two extra picks. Then we could run a quick BA draft with only those picks. Maybe 1 hour time slots. Then rankings or playoffs

24 hours is fine for hybrid games but too long for straight playoffs. We don't want to slow things down too much for something that most people may not be interested in.

One of these days I'm going to try it and see if it can be wrapped up within the normal lag time after a draft. As much as I'd like the option, these things do get bogged down later on and I wouldn't want to introduce something that makes it worse.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#907 » by 8on » Thu May 9, 2019 5:31 pm

Should we finish the 2018-19 Prediction Draft?
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Post#908 » by Fadeaway_J » Thu May 9, 2019 5:36 pm

8on wrote:Should we finish the 2018-19 Prediction Draft?

We'll finish it after the playoffs.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#909 » by Laimbeer » Fri May 10, 2019 3:24 pm

Fadeaway_J wrote:
8on wrote:How about a 12 man roster draft, with the option to skip two rounds if you want to? 105 FGAs for 12, 95 for 10. No FGA minimum, every player has to play 8 minutes. 70s to now to keep the multiplier.

12 is a bit excessive in terms of roster size, especially with a minutes minimum. I wouldn't go beyond 10.

However, what I would really like this the option to do this in any draft. Even in a playoff format, there's normally a lag time of a few hours before the matchups are created, and in a hybrid we go on pause for several days. Just allot two or three hours after the eighth round is completed during which anyone who wants a nine or ten man roster can make their extra picks. Add maybe 5 FGA for each pick, and it can only be used for those picks and not combined with the regular limit.

I'm sure I will die alone on this hill, but I hate being locked into an eight-man rotation every single time. Just like someone can roll with a crappy bench if they so desire, I want the opportunity to create a true bench mob rather than just a couple of placeholders and a scrub backup center.


Please God no.

We already have protracted arguments about the importance of benches and this would just add another layer to it.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#910 » by 8on » Sat May 11, 2019 8:42 pm

The Finals Twist Draft:

You can use any season of a player who was in the Finals. 70s to now, but you can use an earlier season if someone played in the Finals from 1969-70. For example, you can twist Elgin Baylor to early 60s Elgin, even though he only played in the 1969-70 Finals. You can use any season of Alonzo Mourning because he was in the '06 Finals. Anyone who never played in the Finals is ineligible.

The Franchise Twist Draft:

All of your drafted players must have played for the same franchise at one point in their career. However, you can use any season of those players, even if they didn't play for the franchise your players have in common. 70s to now, but the season you use can't be before 1969-70.
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Post#911 » by euroleague » Sat May 11, 2019 11:12 pm

How about a 5man draft with no bench, or Lou Williams+Lamar Odom + Omer Asik as the given bench for everyone
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Post#912 » by ardee » Sun May 12, 2019 3:36 am

8on wrote:The Finals Twist Draft:

You can use any season of a player who was in the Finals. 70s to now, but you can use an earlier season if someone played in the Finals from 1969-70. For example, you can twist Elgin Baylor to early 60s Elgin, even though he only played in the 1969-70 Finals. You can use any season of Alonzo Mourning because he was in the '06 Finals. Anyone who never played in the Finals is ineligible.

The Franchise Twist Draft:

All of your drafted players must have played for the same franchise at one point in their career. However, you can use any season of those players, even if they didn't play for the franchise your players have in common. 70s to now, but the season you use can't be before 1969-70.


I like the first one.
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Post#913 » by 8on » Sun May 12, 2019 4:20 am

I'll start sign-ups tomorrow, unless anyone starts something first.
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Post#914 » by Fadeaway_J » Sun May 12, 2019 4:40 am

8on wrote:I'll start sign-ups tomorrow, unless anyone starts something first.

I'd tighten the time period. 60s players are a headache to judge.
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Post#915 » by 8on » Sun May 12, 2019 5:47 am

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8on wrote:I'll start sign-ups tomorrow, unless anyone starts something first.

I'd tighten the time period. 60s players are a headache to judge.


Fair enough. 80s to now if we get 13 or more, 90s to now if we get 12 or less.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#916 » by Laimbeer » Tue May 14, 2019 4:26 pm

Stair step franchises. We list all 30 franchises (either randomly or with some method to the madness) and each pick has to be within two spots of your previous.
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Post#917 » by Laimbeer » Thu May 16, 2019 1:54 am

Fadeaway_J wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:Agreed. Should legislate against being able to pick an MVP with those lower slots.


I'm still not sure how this is different than other games. Magic saves you FGAs, allowing you to pick one more high FGA player than others.

Also, guys like Kawhi, Wade, Dirk, Paul, George, Barkley, Duncan, Giannis and Garnett with good seasons can be taken in lower slots. By raising it to 17 it would include Durant and Steph.

Fair enough.


Damn, you guys were so right. :lol:
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Post#918 » by Fadeaway_J » Thu May 16, 2019 2:04 am

Laimbeer wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
Laimbeer wrote:
I'm still not sure how this is different than other games. Magic saves you FGAs, allowing you to pick one more high FGA player than others.

Also, guys like Kawhi, Wade, Dirk, Paul, George, Barkley, Duncan, Giannis and Garnett with good seasons can be taken in lower slots. By raising it to 17 it would include Durant and Steph.

Fair enough.


Damn, you guys were so right. :lol:

To be honest, Hakeem should never have been allowed to fall that far. If not for that collective blunder, there wasn't anyone else on the board who would have put euro in such an unassailable position.
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Re: Future Draft Games 

Post#919 » by Laimbeer » Thu May 16, 2019 2:52 pm

We could do the No Overlap next, but I'll throw out a few ideas people have had that resonated with me -

Lefties Only - Limited pool which I think would be a nice change - DRob and Harden may be too dominant

Under 15 FGA - All player seasons must be 15 FGA or under. Would Magic be banned?

No three point shot - could include players who played in three point era, just judge as there's no three point line
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Post#920 » by Fadeaway_J » Thu May 16, 2019 6:39 pm

Laimbeer wrote:We could do the No Overlap next, but I'll throw out a few ideas people have had that resonated with me -

Lefties Only - Limited pool which I think would be a nice change - DRob and Harden may be too dominant

Under 15 FGA - All player seasons must be 15 FGA or under. Would Magic be banned?

No three point shot - could include players who played in three point era, just judge as there's no three point line

8on tried something like this before (may have been 16 FGA) but we couldn't drum up enough interest.

Magic becomes a problem whenever any kind of FGA restriction in introduced, and this one is no exception. 2000s to now maybe?

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