Free agency and trade ideas: Which wings do we go after this summer?

[AtheJ415]

I forgot about Kemba.
I wonder if we can get a meeting with him. If he wanted to sign, we could def work something out with Charlotte to give them Johnson and our pick. This way we don't lose all of our capspace

No. We'd still be better off just stretching Johnson and keeping the pick. Release Holmes's cap hold and dump someone else if needed.

The 6th pick, even in this draft, should have value to a team that has a timeline like ours and is so far from real contention.

[darmani]

All this talk about creating more cap space at the cost of TJ Warren or the #6 pick is just stupid. We won't sign anyone better than Warren for $10m and we can create additional $20m of cap space without anyone's help just by stretching Tyler Johnson and rescinding Oubre's QO. Convincing someone to take our money will be much harder than creating cap space.

[Crives]

All this talk about creating more cap space at the cost of TJ Warren or the #6 pick is just stupid. We won't sign anyone better than Warren for $10m and we can create additional $20m of cap space without anyone's help just by stretching Tyler Johnson and rescinding Oubre's QO. Convincing someone to take our money will be much harder than creating cap space.

Completely agree.

[Crives]

I forgot about Kemba.
I wonder if we can get a meeting with him. If he wanted to sign, we could def work something out with Charlotte to give them Johnson and our pick. This way we don't lose all of our capspace

No. We'd still be better off just stretching Johnson and keeping the pick. Release Holmes's cap hold and dump someone else if needed.

The 6th pick, even in this draft, should have value to a team that has a timeline like ours and is so far from real contention.

We could easily end up with the 2nd best player. Even Adding a high impact role player to core will be a big step forward.

I’m going to be really happy with one of Clarke/Garland/Culver/Hunter and we won’t have to pay Josh Jackson level money.

[Ghost of Kleine]

These are the teams with the most available cap space this summer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fastbreakdaily.com/2019/02/12/nba-teams-cap-space/amp/ .

Although I'm not exactly sure, which ones would be willing to take one of Warren's or Johnson's salary for us honestly. ( IF we decide that accumulating more cap space is paramount).

1- New York Knicks $ 74 million.

2- L.A. Clippers $ 61.7 million.

3- Sacramento $ 58.7 million.

4- Brooklyn $ 54.6 million.

5- Atlanta $ 53.4 million.

What would any of these teams possibly want in order to take our big contracts, giving us space? And which teams aside from this list could we trade with using these assets?

[Flying Colors]

I think we might have to get comfrontable with the idea that we might be rolling with nearly the same team as last season.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Just a trade idea, A 3 way with New Orleans / Phoenix/ And Memphis. ( To help Griffin try and convince Davis to stay).

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7195639 .( ***also Jackson to New Orleans).

In this trade, We trade Warren and the Milwaukee pick to Memphis.

Memphis then trades Conley to New Orleans.

And New Orleans now has Conley/ Jrue/ Jackson/ Zion and Davis.

We do this trade basically for cap space. But also as a favor to Griffin.

***Which, When/If Davis is moved, We get a piece or two from the team that receives Davis. For helping to facilitate Conley ( Jackson) to the Pels. So For example:

IF New York: Trier/ or Knox( from Phoenix) and a 2nd ??

IF Boston: Theiss, And the Memphis pick ( Owed to Boston). At which point I'd then offer Memphis-

Okobo/ 6th pick/ *** Memphis' unprotected pick back from Boston ( to be used next year in a much deeper draft)/ and a Phoenix 2021 unprotected first for the 2nd pick ( Morant).


So essentially, They'd get a good young rookie guard prospect, and 3 lottery picks in exchange for Morant. And they could still select Garland/ White/ Hunter/ Culver, etc. With the 6th pick.

IF Lakers: Ball, And the 4th pick rerouted to us. (****And we also send The Pels Jackson and a future first in exchange for this package****).

We use the 4th pick on Garland or (Reddish (, as a Flier prospect). And the 6th pick on Clarke or Kabengele.

Or we can try and offer a new package of the 4th pick/ 6th pick/ ( Reddish and Garland)Or they can use the 4th and 6th pick on whoever they like really???

Plus a Phoenix unprotected 2021 first in exchange for the 2nd pick- Morant???

( Morant is great) But for example: Garland and Reddish, plus a future lottery pick would be quite a haul for them too. I think that they'd strongly consider it.

And IF they say yes, As an example, They'd now have a starting 5 of :

Garland/ Reddish/ Jackson/ Jackson Jr / Valuncias. A lot of cap space, and a 2021 unprotected Phoenix first to offset what they owe Boston too.

So They turn one really good prospect, into 2 good lotto prospects and an unprotected first.

Then we use our cap space on veterans in free agency.

***If the Pels would rather have Warren and Memphis, Jackson. That's fine too. We can switch them out like this:

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7195651.

Memphis- gets Jackson and the Milwaukee pick.

New Orleans gets- Conley/ Warren/ and a future conditional first.

Phoenix gets- 17 million in added cap space, Giving them a total of around 25 million for free agency.

They acquire this by moving both Jackson and Warren, But not taking any salary back.


Now we have enough cap space to offer around 12 million to either Beverly or Collison, and will still have enough left over to offer one of Thaddeus young, Aminu or Jamychal Green a contract around 12-13 million.

And can then use our exceptions on shooters, and bench depth.

[Crives]

These are the teams with the most available cap space this summer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fastbreakdaily.com/2019/02/12/nba-teams-cap-space/amp/ .

Although I'm not exactly sure, which ones would be willing to take one of Warren's or Johnson's salary for us honestly. ( IF we decide that accumulating more cap space is paramount).

1- New York Knicks $ 74 million.

2- L.A. Clippers $ 61.7 million.

3- Sacramento $ 58.7 million.

4- Brooklyn $ 54.6 million.

5- Atlanta $ 53.4 million.

What would any of these teams possibly want in order to take our big contracts, giving us space? And which teams aside from this list could we trade with using these assets?

Kings really have that much space? I hope they don’t go after Oubre.

If we really want cap, I’d try to offer our 2019 2nd and Milwaukee 1st to get kings to absorb Tyler. Then we have max money. I’m not sure we’d get one of the players actually worth the max though

[King4Day]

These are the teams with the most available cap space this summer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fastbreakdaily.com/2019/02/12/nba-teams-cap-space/amp/ .

Although I'm not exactly sure, which ones would be willing to take one of Warren's or Johnson's salary for us honestly. ( IF we decide that accumulating more cap space is paramount).

1- New York Knicks $ 74 million.

2- L.A. Clippers $ 61.7 million.

3- Sacramento $ 58.7 million.

4- Brooklyn $ 54.6 million.

5- Atlanta $ 53.4 million.

What would any of these teams possibly want in order to take our big contracts, giving us space? And which teams aside from this list could we trade with using these assets?

The only player worth making room for would be Kemba.
If he was willing to come, then moving Johnson (It would be silly to have almost 7 mil of dead money for the next 3 years by stretching him).If we can get Kemba by dealing away Jackson and Johnson along with the pick (to entice Charlotte to take those two contracts) then it's worth considering.

We aren't making room unless we know there is a player we can sign.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I've been struggling to post here of late, because of just how fervently I disagree with so many of these posts. The #6 is not a nothing asset. TJ is not a negative asset. JJ ran from cops; he didn't commit assault. Dragan is 21. Mike Conley is not worth anything near what we've been throwing up as potential trades around here. Free agency is not a panacea for all that ails us. It is not the case that no one will want to sign here because of how much we suck. Tyler Johnson is under contract for next year and plays point guard. Our players do not all suck (for they are young and will improve). Rubio sucks. And Robert Sarver is not the GM, the coach or the starting power forward.

If you want to win in this league, you need several good players. TJ is a good player. If you trade him to get a good player, it's almost certainly a lateral move overall unless JJ steps up and becomes a positive contributor. So if we're dealing JJ, keep TJ.

Instead of focusing on all these big names, let's try to grab a real bargain like the Bucks did with Pat Connaughton. 3 year deal at $1.6 mil per. That move has paid off enormously, and it's the type we need to look for. Let's play moneyball here, because we're not the Yankees.

[BobbieL]

I've been struggling to post here of late, because of just how fervently I disagree with so many of these posts. The #6 is not a nothing asset. TJ is not a negative asset. JJ ran from cops; he didn't commit assault. Dragan is 21. Mike Conley is not worth anything near what we've been throwing up as potential trades around here. Free agency is not a panacea for all that ails us. It is not the case that no one will want to sign here because of how much we suck. Tyler Johnson is under contract for next year and plays point guard. Our players do not all suck (for they are young and will improve). Rubio sucks. And Robert Sarver is not the GM, the coach or the starting power forward.

If you want to win in this league, you need several good players. TJ is a good player. If you trade him to get a good player, it's almost certainly a lateral move overall unless JJ steps up and becomes a positive contributor. So if we're dealing JJ, keep TJ.

Instead of focusing on all these big names, let's try to grab a real bargain like the Bucks did with Pat Connaughton. 3 year deal at $1.6 mil per. That move has paid off enormously, and it's the type we need to look for. Let's play moneyball here, because we're not the Yankees.

I would prefer to keep Warren as I think he can be a valued person off the bench as your 6th man scorer. History of the league shows that there is value to having a guy off the bench who can get buckets and Warren can do that.

Tyler - I liked what he brought to the team. HIs price tag is steep - but I don't want to stretch him unless its for like Durant or something. And in lieu of stretching him - why not call the Cavs, use the Bucks pick (which will probably be pick 26-30 in the 2020 draft ) and see if the JR Smith deal is on the table. That would be REAL cap savings. Upwards of 14-16m or so if they take Zizic


As for Josh and the 6th pick -- I am not dumping those but at the same time - if Jones feel they have a chance at a legitimate FA and they trade Josh for a 2nd and move down in the draft with the 6th for more cap space - I am good with that too.


So for me - if you trade WArren - it better be more than a cap move
Josh and the 6th - I am okay if they are for cap moves
Tyler - if traded for JR or the right player, I am okay with it.


The Suns need cap space but I don't think they need to do WArren and Josh for JR type move. Tyler for JR - yeah, fine. As to the last point - I do agree the Suns might want to practice patience on June 30/July 1 and not blow your wad on one player with all yoru cap space as Bjelinca signed a pretty good deal last year, your name Connaughton too. It does happen so your Moneyball reference is good. Maybe while everybody is calling the K-Klub looking for a meeting - Jones, crew can call Aminu, or Collison or Thad Young, Beverley, COrey Joseph and get deals done.

[pidi]

i would try and talk the lakers in something like:

6th pick I jackson I melton

for

Ball I wagner I kuzma

if the celtics don´t like kuzma they can pick at the 6th spot a player they like and start over, if not i would take kuzma out of the trade and still do it

[BobbieL]

i would try and talk the lakers in something like:

6th pick I jackson I melton

for

Ball I wagner I kuzma

if the celtics don´t like kuzma they can pick at the 6th spot a player they like and start over, if not i would take kuzma out of the trade and still do it

heck, I would do Jackson and 6th, the Suns 2nd rounder and Melton for Ball - but if you could get Wagner, that wouldn't be bad either. If the Suns were to make this deal would create a few million of cap space meaning money for a PF like Aminu or Thad Young

Now, if you make this type of trade AND than JR Smith for Tyler Johnson - now you might have some money for Tobias Harris instead

[NTB]

i would try and talk the lakers in something like:

6th pick I jackson I melton

for

Ball I wagner I kuzma

if the celtics don´t like kuzma they can pick at the 6th spot a player they like and start over, if not i would take kuzma out of the trade and still do it

Thats not enough for Lonzo + Wagner + Kuzma imo.

JJ is a negative asset.

[pidi]

Than leave alone kuz & Wagner... straight up, Jackson, Melton & 6th for lonzo

i would try and talk the lakers in something like:

6th pick I jackson I melton

for

Ball I wagner I kuzma

if the celtics don´t like kuzma they can pick at the 6th spot a player they like and start over, if not i would take kuzma out of the trade and still do it

Thats not enough for Lonzo + Wagner + Kuzma imo.

JJ is a negative asset.

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[BobbieL]

Than leave alone kuz & Wagner... straight up, Jackson, Melton & 6th for lonzo

i would try and talk the lakers in something like:

6th pick I jackson I melton

for

Ball I wagner I kuzma

if the celtics don´t like kuzma they can pick at the 6th spot a player they like and start over, if not i would take kuzma out of the trade and still do it

Thats not enough for Lonzo + Wagner + Kuzma imo.

JJ is a negative asset.

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Reading through Kylers twitter (I get it, Kyler is more Broussard or Jordan Schultz) but Bulls fans are talking about the 7th pick for Lonzo. If that is truly the asking price for Lonzo, the Suns should be all about that. If the Lakers truly want GArland at 4.

I would easily do the 6th, Melton, Jackson and even the Suns 2RP for Lonzo Ball. Granted, not sure if Jackson is a positive or negative asset to the LeBron-ers.

[NTB]

Than leave alone kuz & Wagner... straight up, Jackson, Melton & 6th for lonzo

i would try and talk the lakers in something like:

6th pick I jackson I melton

for

Ball I wagner I kuzma

if the celtics don´t like kuzma they can pick at the 6th spot a player they like and start over, if not i would take kuzma out of the trade and still do it

Thats not enough for Lonzo + Wagner + Kuzma imo.

JJ is a negative asset.

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Thats a fine trade for me.

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[RunDogGun]

I like Kuzma, but I am interested to see if we go a bit smaller with Oubre at PF. It all depends on what we give up to make that move, and how all those pieces work together. If Ball and Tyler are extensions of our new coach on the court, and players buy in, we will have a fun group to watch.

[BobbieL]

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Who wants Josh Jackson? Will a team like Sactown overpay for Oubre?