The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part III

[sixers hoops]

Haven’t we done enough to “win now”?
Obviously too soon, and I blame EB with wasting all the assets.
Embiid having a short window is no excuse, all EB wanted was to show his ability as the new GM but he shat the bed and ruined the franchise for years to come.


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Get a grip man. We survived wasting two No. 3 picks, a No. 6 pick, and a No. 14 pick but Landry Shamet and a 1st three years from now is what insurmountable.

We could’ve been great, a contender if we stuck to the process, develop the players more etc, but some new big shot (EB) came on board and used up all the chips.... for a second round exit and having both or one of Jimmy and Tobias to walk afterwards....

I am trying to relax but it’s just so painful to watch...


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Elton used all the chips? lol

Colangelo wasted two lottery picks on Fultz. Not to mention first rounders in TLC, picnicbaskets, korkmaz, etc

Hinkie drafted Okafor with a 3 pick and Noel at 6 who didn’t do anything for us.

In comparison, Elton gave up a late first, Shameet, and a future first for a very good player in Tobias, who may end up a big part of our future. Not saying I liked the Tobias trade, but Elton clearly isn’t the one who used all the chips.

[BullyKing]

Get a grip man. We survived wasting two No. 3 picks, a No. 6 pick, and a No. 14 pick but Landry Shamet and a 1st three years from now is what insurmountable.

We could’ve been great, a contender if we stuck to the process, develop the players more etc, but some new big shot (EB) came on board and used up all the chips.... for a second round exit and having both or one of Jimmy and Tobias to walk afterwards....

I am trying to relax but it’s just so painful to watch...


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Elton used all the chips? lol

Colangelo wasted two lottery picks on Fultz. Not to mention first rounders in TLC, picnicbaskets, korkmaz, etc

Hinkie drafted Okafor with a 3 pick and Noel at 6 who didn’t do anything for us.

In comparison, Elton gave up a late first, Shameet, and a future first for a very good player in Tobias, who may end up a big part of our future. Not saying I liked the Tobias trade, but Elton clearly isn’t the one who used all the chips.

Oy, I got depressed making my own list and I didn't even think about TLC, Korky and Pasjeckniks or however you spell his stupid useless name.

[shlo]

Ben for the #2 pick, we get a PG who can shoot and cover small guards. Who says no? Sixers or Grizzlies. I think good trade for both

The Sixers wouldn't even consider it. Ben has been very successful in the NBA thus far and was a better prospect than Morant is coming out of school. On top of that, the team is trying to re-sign Butler and Harris so that they can win now, they're not gonna want to wait on a rookie PG to develop.

With Simmons they are waiting on a veteran PG to develop ... to develop a shot that isn't ever going to come. I'd pull the trigger on that deal in a heartbeat.

[BullyKing]

Ben for the #2 pick, we get a PG who can shoot and cover small guards. Who says no? Sixers or Grizzlies. I think good trade for both

The Sixers wouldn't even consider it. Ben has been very successful in the NBA thus far and was a better prospect than Morant is coming out of school. On top of that, the team is trying to re-sign Butler and Harris so that they can win now, they're not gonna want to wait on a rookie PG to develop.

With Simmons they are waiting on a veteran PG to develop ... to develop a shot that isn't ever going to come. I'd pull the trigger on that deal in a heartbeat.

Good thing we know that Morant (who shot worse from 3 in college than Fultz) is definitely going to be a lockdown shooter and defender.

[Kobblehead]

Ben for the #2 pick, we get a PG who can shoot and cover small guards. Who says no? Sixers or Grizzlies. I think good trade for both

The Grizzlies say no because Ja Morant's path to stardom is way easier to project. Plus, Ben would just play on the qualifying offer when the times comes and reject his rookie extension and bolt.

[Kobblehead]

Good thing we know that Morant (who shot worse from 3 in college than Fultz) is definitely going to be a lockdown shooter and defender.

Free throw shooting has been way more reliable in predicting jumpshot projections that collegiate three point shooting percentages.

Morant was an 81% free throw shooter for his career at Murray State. His jumper projects to be pretty knockdown.

[BullyKing]

Good thing we know that Morant (who shot worse from 3 in college than Fultz) is definitely going to be a lockdown shooter and defender.

Free throw shooting has been way more reliable in predicting jumpshot projections that collegiate three point shooting percentages.

Morant was an 81% free throw shooter for his career at Murray State. His jumper projects to be pretty knockdown.

I'm aware but we also have the tendency to be 100% convinced that players we like in college are guaranteed to hit their upside ceiling in the pros.

[Kobblehead]

That's often the case, but I think Ja is a nearly perfect basketball player with a hole-less game and if it wasn't for a freak like Zion, he would also be the best athlete in the draft. Morant is a no-brainer star, IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if he averaged 20 as a rookie.

It's not like Ben is Luka Doncic. We have way more evidence showing us that he's just a high level glue guy than he is future star. Plus, I really dislike the notion of having to hand out a max extension to a guy that hasn't proved that he can carry the offensive load that those guys are expected to.

[Tomjas]

The Sixers wouldn't even consider it. Ben has been very successful in the NBA thus far and was a better prospect than Morant is coming out of school. On top of that, the team is trying to re-sign Butler and Harris so that they can win now, they're not gonna want to wait on a rookie PG to develop.

With Simmons they are waiting on a veteran PG to develop ... to develop a shot that isn't ever going to come. I'd pull the trigger on that deal in a heartbeat.

Good thing we know that Morant (who shot worse from 3 in college than Fultz) is definitely going to be a lockdown shooter and defender.

Of all the stupid trade suggestions involving Simmons, this is as bad as any

Simmons is the centrepiece of a trade for a superstar not a rookie plus you might as well forget signing Jimmy as his timeline doesn’t match up

[TheBallsDeeper]

Just an FYI but Simmons has announced on a Twitter video that he’ll be suiting up for the Boomers this off-season.

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/nba/news/ben-simmons-announces-he-will-play-for-the-australian-boomers-this-off-season-fiba-world-cup-team-usa-melbourne/l5q3b7su604k1xy0t0uptfdmr

As an Australian fan I am happy... as a 76ers fan I am gutted. I was hoping this off-season he would hire a Drew Hanlen type and a hypnotist to delete his shooting motion entirely from his brain and teach him to shoot again properly from scratch. That won't be happening now if he is in world cup training camps and playing scrimmages

I feel exactly the same.
Looks like he ain’t working on his jump shots this off season....



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I came here to say the exact same thing.

As an Australian it is awesome to have him part of the team, I think they are the second best team in the world. As a Sixers fan, Simmons needs to spend the next 6 months shooting with his correct hand and return next year with a right handed free throw and jump shot.

In Six months he could become an average shooter, then improve from there. I guess it shows that he doesn't think it's needed.

[Tomjas]

As an Australian fan I am happy... as a 76ers fan I am gutted. I was hoping this off-season he would hire a Drew Hanlen type and a hypnotist to delete his shooting motion entirely from his brain and teach him to shoot again properly from scratch. That won't be happening now if he is in world cup training camps and playing scrimmages

I feel exactly the same.
Looks like he ain’t working on his jump shots this off season....



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I came here to say the exact same thing.

As an Australian it is awesome to have him part of the team, I think they are the second best team in the world. As a Sixers fan, Simmons needs to spend the next 6 months shooting with his correct hand and return next year with a right handed free throw and jump shot.

In Six months he could become an average shooter, then improve from there. I guess it shows that he doesn't think it's needed.

You don’t think that he will be training?

Simmons will be in the gym every moment that he isn’t watching the Bombers suck as he needs to be fit

His participation says to me that he wants to improve

[VDT]

People are too optimistic about his shot. Him going from non shooter to even average shooter in an offseason would be unprecedent pretty much. I would be satisfied if he just came with a different form or/and shooting hand that would allow him to gradually improve his shooting over the next seasons. Asking for anything more would set you for a disappointment next October.

Having said that he needs to improve his touch around the rim with both hands and find wats to be more assertive offensively. Not many teams want a glue guy with 0 shooting and even less (if any) want to pay him a max contract.

[the_process]

People are too optimistic about his shot. Him going from non shooter to even average shooter in an offseason would be unprecedent pretty much. I would be satisfied if he just came with a different form or/and shooting hand that would allow him to gradually improve his shooting over the next seasons. Asking for anything more would set you for a disappointment next October.

Having said that he needs to improve his touch around the rim with both hands and find wats to be more assertive offensively. Not many teams want a glue guy with 0 shooting and even less (if any) want to pay him a max contract.

There we disagree. Every team would take Ben Simmons. It's just a question of what they would give up.

[kio80]

Maybe we should boo him all along this off season, follow where ever he goes and boo him till he gets a shot.
He seems to get a kick out of ppl booing him.


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[VDT]

People are too optimistic about his shot. Him going from non shooter to even average shooter in an offseason would be unprecedent pretty much. I would be satisfied if he just came with a different form or/and shooting hand that would allow him to gradually improve his shooting over the next seasons. Asking for anything more would set you for a disappointment next October.

Having said that he needs to improve his touch around the rim with both hands and find wats to be more assertive offensively. Not many teams want a glue guy with 0 shooting and even less (if any) want to pay him a max contract.

There we disagree. Every team would take Ben Simmons. It's just a question of what they would give up.

Teams would take Simmons based on his potential not on how he played against the Raptors. Probably "not many" is an exageration but i would say not many TOP teams want a glue guy with zero shooting ability. And his appeal will change dramatically if he gets a max extension and doesnt show much improvement in the coming season.

[Eyeamok]

If we do trade Ben (I don't think they will) it'll be for a win-now player. I don't think any coaches or FO have the patience to develop another PG right now.

They shipped Fultz out when they realized he wasn't close to being ready (among other things).

Haven’t we done enough to “win now”?
Obviously too soon, and I blame EB with wasting all the assets.
Embiid having a short window is no excuse, all EB wanted was to show his ability as the new GM but he shat the bed and ruined the franchise for years to come.


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Barbara is that you?

[GuideDog]

Our future potential for championships will depend on Ben. He's the one with the most room to grow. Embiid, Butler and Tobias are pretty much at their ceiling. Not saying they can't improve incrementally... they can. But if Ben can truly learn to be a point guard that controls the ball in crunch time, if he can develop a credible jumper and finish with more aggressiveness and skill around the basket, Sixers will be a perennial title contender, a lot like we were in the 80s.

[PhillyPhilly]

I honestly think If Ben changes shooting hand and turns his right handed push shot into a jumper then he could easily develop a decent jumper between now and the start of next season. And why? Because the shot should be way easier to perform simply with it being with his dominant hand. He shoots five or more of them push shots per game anyway so it shouldn't be an issue imo.

[phillynative]

Shoot the damn ball Ben

[FlyingArrow]

Our future potential for championships will depend on Ben. He's the one with the most room to grow. Embiid, Butler and Tobias are pretty much at their ceiling. Not saying they can't improve incrementally... they can. But if Ben can truly learn to be a point guard that controls the ball in crunch time, if he can develop a credible jumper and finish with more aggressiveness and skill around the basket, Sixers will be a perennial title contender, a lot like we were in the 80s.

Disagree on Embiid. He still has the potential to be the best player in the NBA. He isn't close right now and maybe he never gets there. But the potential is there.