Draft Thread: Knicks got #3 - Combine and Beyond

[GONYK]

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Future knick folks.

He's got the potential, but that jumper has some ways to go.

And the handles...and the vision.

I don't disagree

[Jeff Van Gully]

He gunna be drafted just to guard the inbound

tacko is also DUMB trash. like "makes thabeet look like olajuwon" trash.

Do you really feel comfortable with calling a fellow human being 'dumb trash' based on your assessment of their ability to play a game? I don't know the young man personally or have any insight into his genuine character but do you? Did he kick your dog or something?

dude. i am not talking about his humanity. it's a reference to skill level. i don't know how many playgrounds you've been on, particularly in NYC. but that's all is being discussed when a player is referred to as "trash." i thought that was contextually clear. sorry.

[Jeff Van Gully]

RJ starting to grow on me..didn’t **** with him at all this season...at all...

...but the kid has that hunger in him to take shots and is a pretty decent rebounder & passer.

He could be a younger Timmy...the problem with that is he could be an Older Timmy as well

There’s a lot of ways it can go with RJ.

The right development will be key for him.

Still wanna trade for AD in a heartbeat but there’s a curiosity about him that has me questioning if we could keep him. Just the potential he has.

Yeah he’s finally starting to grow on me as well. I was not really a fan of his in college. Been watching his FIBA and high school tape and I feel a little more comfortable taking him. I am not gonna get attached to him tho cause if we are getting AD, he is most likely gone in the trade

jbreeze- skill level already higher than tim tho.

[Capn'O]

I have gotten the vibe that the Knicks have wanted RJ all year after Zion.

[2010]

I still got some questions about RJ’s shooting potential and lack of wiggle or ability to gain separation without a head of steam.

But what I will say is he has leadership characteristics that we haven’t seen in our other young players. He has that alpha mentality. At Duke some saw that as a detriment. But if he grows in his skill areas (shooting, ball-handling, using his off-hand, embracing becoming a willing passer, etc.) we could have something.

[GONYK]

RJ starting to grow on me..didn’t **** with him at all this season...at all...

...but the kid has that hunger in him to take shots and is a pretty decent rebounder & passer.

He could be a younger Timmy...the problem with that is he could be an Older Timmy as well

There’s a lot of ways it can go with RJ.

The right development will be key for him.

Still wanna trade for AD in a heartbeat but there’s a curiosity about him that has me questioning if we could keep him. Just the potential he has.

Timmy and Old Timmy are both trash though

[Buttah304]

Our board in general is famous for harping on college player flaws. There’s no problem with that when you’re talking about a Junior, or some 22 year old but RJ is only 18 years old. It felt like 80% of people were absolutely crucifying Trae Young last year for his endless list of issues (small, weak, not athletic, chucker) etc the list goes on. And we all know how that turned out this past year. I’m not comparing RJ and Trae stylistically but the point is you really don’t know how these young kids will pan out. Taking into account all of RJ’s flaws he would be the best Knick prospect in a very long time. He also fits this modern version of the NBA which is all about attacking, spacing, getting out in transition while making unselfish plays to make your team better (he’s shown great flashes here as well as tunnel vision at times). If RJ really learns how to shoot the ball he could become a legitimate problem. I also think he projects as an extremely hard worker, a dog who will be in the gym night and day.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I have gotten the vibe that the Knicks have wanted RJ all year after Zion.

how so?

[mpharris36]

knicks met with KPjr yesterday. Some kind of deal with #3 for #8 and #10 is a possibility. I would need something else though to sweeten the pot. Maybe the lesser of the ATL/CLE 2020 1st round pick.

But if you assumed the top 7 in no kind of order is Zion, Ja, RJ, Garland, Hunter, Culver, and Reddish.

If you walked away with Brandon Clarke and Kevin Porter Jr and another lesser asset would you pull the trigger?

[Jeff Van Gully]

RJ starting to grow on me..didn’t **** with him at all this season...at all...

...but the kid has that hunger in him to take shots and is a pretty decent rebounder & passer.

He could be a younger Timmy...the problem with that is he could be an Older Timmy as well

There’s a lot of ways it can go with RJ.

The right development will be key for him.

Still wanna trade for AD in a heartbeat but there’s a curiosity about him that has me questioning if we could keep him. Just the potential he has.

Timmy and Old Timmy are both trash though

i'm crying

[Jeff Van Gully]

I still got some questions about RJ’s shooting potential and lack of wiggle or ability to gain separation without a head of steam.

But what I will say is he has leadership characteristics that we haven’t seen in our other young players. He has that alpha mentality. At Duke some saw that as a detriment. But if he grows in his skill areas (shooting, ball-handling, using his off-hand, embracing becoming a willing passer, etc.) we could have something.

it's highly valued in the NBA.

it's a big problem people very understandably have with my guy nathan.

[Tron Carter]

it is def sounding like the top 3 is separating themselves. Zion is a lock for 1...and reports look like Ja is a lock for #2. Barrett whether we make the pick or trade it seem like a lock for #3.

Mike V from the athletic already talking to people saying Barrett seems like a lock and that some execs even think he has a James Harden type ceiling. While I think that is crazy like I said before you only need a few teams to believe that about RJ whether you keep it or the trade value of that pick continues to grow.

Sounds like so far around the league most thinking there is a tier after 1 and tier after pick 2 and 3.

yup, regardless of personal evaluations perceptions matters.

How can players separate themselves before any workouts?

These execs held these same opinions 3 weeks ago.

I agree with your sentiments. this draft is anything but a lock after zion. but for our situation, realistically I see zion and morant locked at 1-2. will the knicks change their tune to another player at 3? it’s possible but I feel unlikely. would have to be a hell of a team workout.

[Jeff Van Gully]

yup, regardless of personal evaluations perceptions matters.

How can players separate themselves before any workouts?

These execs held these same opinions 3 weeks ago.

I agree with your sentiments. this draft is anything but a lock after zion. but for our situation, realistically I see zion and morant locked at 1-2. will the knicks change their tune to another player at 3? it’s possible but I feel unlikely. would have to be a hell of a team workout.

i think you can't pass on RJ for the rest of the field. and i'm very high on culver and pretty excited about garland.

[2010]

knicks met with KPjr yesterday. Some kind of deal with #3 for #8 and #10 is a possibility. I would need something else though to sweeten the pot. Maybe the lesser of the ATL/CLE 2020 1st round pick.

But if you assumed the top 7 in no kind of order is Zion, Ja, RJ, Garland, Hunter, Culver, and Reddish.

If you walked away with Brandon Clarke and Kevin Porter Jr and another lesser asset would you pull the trigger?

No. This isn’t the draft to be looking to trade down. If you trade the pick, it better be for AD. Let’s not overthink this and get too cute only to end up outsmarting ourselves.

[Tron Carter]

knicks met with KPjr yesterday. Some kind of deal with #3 for #8 and #10 is a possibility. I would need something else though to sweeten the pot. Maybe the lesser of the ATL/CLE 2020 1st round pick.

But if you assumed the top 7 in no kind of order is Zion, Ja, RJ, Garland, Hunter, Culver, and Reddish.

If you walked away with Brandon Clarke and Kevin Porter Jr and another lesser asset would you pull the trigger?

can we acquire two lottery picks without compromising cap space this summer. like do the 8th and 10th pick add up to more then just the 3rd or would we have to maneuver?

[stuporman]

I'll admit there has been some cognitive cultivation going on in my mind while reviewing his draft content because it appears the Knicks will be drafting RJ. It doesn't remove the questions I have about him but it is giving me some positive things to consider.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

knicks met with KPjr yesterday. Some kind of deal with #3 for #8 and #10 is a possibility. I would need something else though to sweeten the pot. Maybe the lesser of the ATL/CLE 2020 1st round pick.

But if you assumed the top 7 in no kind of order is Zion, Ja, RJ, Garland, Hunter, Culver, and Reddish.

If you walked away with Brandon Clarke and Kevin Porter Jr and another lesser asset would you pull the trigger?

can we acquire two lottery picks without compromising cap space this summer. like do the 8th and 10th pick add up to more then just the 3rd or would we have to maneuver?

I’m sure if we include Frank or DSJ

[mpharris36]

knicks met with KPjr yesterday. Some kind of deal with #3 for #8 and #10 is a possibility. I would need something else though to sweeten the pot. Maybe the lesser of the ATL/CLE 2020 1st round pick.

But if you assumed the top 7 in no kind of order is Zion, Ja, RJ, Garland, Hunter, Culver, and Reddish.

If you walked away with Brandon Clarke and Kevin Porter Jr and another lesser asset would you pull the trigger?

can we acquire two lottery picks without compromising cap space this summer. like do the 8th and 10th pick add up to more then just the 3rd or would we have to maneuver?

I think it adds about 1 million more. But in that case we probably have to still trade either DSJ or Frank for a future pick. My preference is DSJ.

[GONYK]

How can players separate themselves before any workouts?

These execs held these same opinions 3 weeks ago.

I agree with your sentiments. this draft is anything but a lock after zion. but for our situation, realistically I see zion and morant locked at 1-2. will the knicks change their tune to another player at 3? it’s possible but I feel unlikely. would have to be a hell of a team workout.

i think you can't pass on RJ for the rest of the field. and i'm very high on culver and pretty excited about garland.

If RJ proves himself throughout the process, I'm totally fine with the pick, but we can't just slot him in based on reputation.

[mpharris36]

knicks met with KPjr yesterday. Some kind of deal with #3 for #8 and #10 is a possibility. I would need something else though to sweeten the pot. Maybe the lesser of the ATL/CLE 2020 1st round pick.

But if you assumed the top 7 in no kind of order is Zion, Ja, RJ, Garland, Hunter, Culver, and Reddish.

If you walked away with Brandon Clarke and Kevin Porter Jr and another lesser asset would you pull the trigger?

No. This isn’t the draft to be looking to trade down. If you trade the pick, it better be for AD. Let’s not overthink this and get too cute only to end up outsmarting ourselves.

im not saying I would but I would look into every scenario. If you aren't in love with RJ Barrett the pick should be traded for either AD or to a team that loves RJ Barrett in my eyes. That is the value of the pick right now.