What if Zion Williamson...

[jayu70]

Come off the bench He could challenge for the starting spot ?

Randle is a 21/8/3 big man just now entering his prime. He’s got most of the same strengths and weaknesses as JC. He’s better with the ball though and has shown that he’s a better passer. He’s got a ton of value. We would be getting over if we got a near All Star level big for a 10th pick. Even if we don’t keep him..we could package him with a few more pieces and get something better.

Disagree.
Nobody is trading a top 10 pick for a guy that 1. Didn't get his rookie option picked up by the team that drafted him, 2. LAL couldn't find a trade for him b4 his option year, 3. Had to settle for a short term FA contract in FAcy a year ago.
You use #10 picks to get guys like Butler and PG. Not guys of Randle's ilk.
Create a poll on the Trade board or here regarding his value.

You’re not getting Butler or PG for a late lottery. TP/10th pick wouldn’t even get you to the table with OKC.

Randle has improved in NO so his value in LA is not relevant. Teams have been loading up on cap space to be players in this off season. Doesn’t surprise me he didn’t get a big deal. It still doesn’t take away from the fact that he played pretty well this season.

Regarding the poll: I’m not that invested..you can if you want.

Butler and PG both went for picks around 10 plus a young player.
Randle will be on a 1 year deal.
Not worth a top 10 pick.

[EazyRoc]

Outside the Top 5, the draft tends to be a total crapshoot. Getting a player like Randle in his prime would far exceed anything we are likely to get for #10. Since I know this is unlikely to actually happen, I hope I’m wrong and we hit a home run at #10. But if we’re being honest the odds of that are stacked against us.

[peoriabird]

Why would you trade for Randle vs just signing him as a free agent??

[jayu70]

Butler got traded for #12 pick with several years of rookie wages already burned (Saric); a 2nd rounder made good with a 13 PER and an $11M salary (Covington); and filler.

That is not too far from the 10th pick and filler.

For a 1 year rental. That’s a very important factor you’re forgetting or leaving out. If he’s had 2-3 years left on his contract Minny would’ve laughed at the deal.

Randle will have 1 year left also if he picks up his option and he's nowhere of the caliber player of Butler and PG.

[EazyRoc]

Disagree.
Nobody is trading a top 10 pick for a guy that 1. Didn't get his rookie option picked up by the team that drafted him, 2. LAL couldn't find a trade for him b4 his option year, 3. Had to settle for a short term FA contract in FAcy a year ago.
You use #10 picks to get guys like Butler and PG. Not guys of Randle's ilk.
Create a poll on the Trade board or here regarding his value.

You’re not getting Butler or PG for a late lottery. TP/10th pick wouldn’t even get you to the table with OKC.

Randle has improved in NO so his value in LA is not relevant. Teams have been loading up on cap space to be players in this off season. Doesn’t surprise me he didn’t get a big deal. It still doesn’t take away from the fact that he played pretty well this season.

Regarding the poll: I’m not that invested..you can if you want.

Butler and PG both went for picks around 10 plus a young player.
Randle will be on a 1 year deal.
Not worth a top 10 pick.

They were both rentals. You’re not getting PG RIGHT NOW for a 10th pick. Stop it.

Now knowing Randle is expiring next year nah..but let’s not overvalue a late lottery because of these rental deals

[EazyRoc]

Why would you trade for Randle vs just signing him as a free agent??

Didn’t know his contract situation. But..you could change that for an equally valuable player. The idea is getting something of value for our #10 pick instead of gambling it on a high ceiling, low floor player.

[EazyRoc]

Butler got traded for #12 pick with several years of rookie wages already burned (Saric); a 2nd rounder made good with a 13 PER and an $11M salary (Covington); and filler.

That is not too far from the 10th pick and filler.

For a 1 year rental. That’s a very important factor you’re forgetting or leaving out. If he’s had 2-3 years left on his contract Minny would’ve laughed at the deal.

Randle will have 1 year left also if he picks up his option and he's nowhere of the caliber player of Butler and PG.

Never compared Randle to Butler or PG.

[Atlanta Hawk Fan]

I'm a big UK fan and like Randle but think he'll always be a bigger numbers guy than impact. Defensively challenged without the tools to fundamentally change that and not good enough to be dominant offensively. Reminds me a bit of Tobias Harris level offensive impact (would require him to extend his range to hit this) with worse defense as his ceiling, IMO.

[jayu70]

You’re not getting Butler or PG for a late lottery. TP/10th pick wouldn’t even get you to the table with OKC.

Randle has improved in NO so his value in LA is not relevant. Teams have been loading up on cap space to be players in this off season. Doesn’t surprise me he didn’t get a big deal. It still doesn’t take away from the fact that he played pretty well this season.

Regarding the poll: I’m not that invested..you can if you want.

Butler and PG both went for picks around 10 plus a young player.
Randle will be on a 1 year deal.
Not worth a top 10 pick.

They were both rentals. You’re not getting PG RIGHT NOW for a 10th pick. Stop it.

Now knowing Randle is expiring next year nah..but let’s not overvalue a late lottery because of these rental deals

I'm not debating PG/Butler current trade value, I'm referencing past trade values to baseline current ones and Randle in his current form will not garner a top 10 pick.

[EazyRoc]

I'm a big UK fan and like Randle but think he'll always be a bigger numbers guy than impact. Defensively challenged without the tools to fundamentally change that and not good enough to be dominant offensively. Reminds me a bit of Tobias Harris level offensive impact (would require him to extend his range to hit this) with worse defense as his ceiling, IMO.

I don’t disagree with that at all, but I do feel like the odds he is going to have a better career than the #10 pick in this draft would be pretty high if I weren’t a homer.

[Atlanta Hawk Fan]

I'm a big UK fan and like Randle but think he'll always be a bigger numbers guy than impact. Defensively challenged without the tools to fundamentally change that and not good enough to be dominant offensively. Reminds me a bit of Tobias Harris level offensive impact (would require him to extend his range to hit this) with worse defense as his ceiling, IMO.

I don’t disagree with that at all, but I do feel like the odds he is going to have a better career than the #10 pick in this draft would be pretty high if I weren’t a homer.

I don't disagree with that, although it comes with a big difference in control and price. Guys available at 10 will likely have higher ceilings and significantly lower floors so that Randle is the better bet on a risk adjusted basis without considering cost.

On that topic, he signed for $9M next year with the goal of shopping himself (again) as an UFA and cashing in. So if he is successful, he will be looking to for a real increase.

[EazyRoc]

Butler and PG both went for picks around 10 plus a young player.
Randle will be on a 1 year deal.
Not worth a top 10 pick.

They were both rentals. You’re not getting PG RIGHT NOW for a 10th pick. Stop it.

Now knowing Randle is expiring next year nah..but let’s not overvalue a late lottery because of these rental deals

I'm not debating PG/Butler current trade value, I'm referencing past trade values to baseline current ones and Randle in his current form will not garner a top 10 pick.

It’s still not relevant for the Hawks in a rebuild considering the types of teams willing to gamble on rental deals are those positioned as contenders.

Doesn’t apply to us.

Randle in his current form would warrant the deal, but it would be foolish for a 1 year rental of him.

[jayu70]

They were both rentals. You’re not getting PG RIGHT NOW for a 10th pick. Stop it.

Now knowing Randle is expiring next year nah..but let’s not overvalue a late lottery because of these rental deals

I'm not debating PG/Butler current trade value, I'm referencing past trade values to baseline current ones and Randle in his current form will not garner a top 10 pick.

It’s still not relevant for the Hawks in a rebuild considering the types of teams willing to gamble on rental deals are those positioned as contenders.

Doesn’t apply to us.

Randle in his current form would warrant the deal, but it would be foolish for a 1 year rental of him.

Interesting Randle discussion on the General Board. (More about his next contract)

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[Jamaaliver]

I'm trying to get on board with this kid as consensus #1.

But i just don't see a great basketball player.

I see a good player who's a great athlete -- while simultaneously being undersized and overweight.

He'll be a productive NBA player. But I can't see him carrying an offense, shutting down opposing bigs or wings.




Or he's young Blake Griffin.

It appears early...that I was completely wrong. Dude has looked unstoppable in the pre-season. He's clearly already a special NBA player.

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[CP War Hawks]

The nba offers more space for zion along with better pg play and coaching.

No one can match his speed and power. Even when a defender at times does match it, his physicality trumps them. The guy is just a vicious specimen.

[HMFFL]

I only hope he stays healthy like Lebron James has for the majority of his career.

The nba offers more space for zion along with better pg play and coaching.

No one can match his speed and power. Even when a defender at times does match it, his physicality trumps them. The guy is just a vicious specimen.

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[Jamaaliver]

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[kg01]

Moment of silence...

Tweet does kinda read a little ominous.

I've been saying, ligaments/joints don't care if 300lbs is muscle or fat. Dude's gotta drop a lotta weight to avoid being shelved more than played.

[atlantabbq99]

I've said this several times, several months ago, Zion's career path could look very similar to Derrick Rose.

A lot of high achievements very early in his career but his body is a ticking time bomb for injury and could be severely injured without even being touched.

[Jamaaliver]

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